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Abortion bill pass in Kentucky

thaiboxerken said:
The First Commandment of the Bible says you're wrong. If the country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, it Commandments would be part of it. Fortunately, you are wrong and the Commandments are absent from our government.
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The three "commandments" that one might advocate as proof of a foundation --no killing, no lying, no stealing-- have been part and parcel of human society since we came down out of the trees. We'd never come as far as we have if this wasn't so. What this is proof of is that religious morals stem from human empathy.
 
Resume said:
Incorrect.
http://www.ushistory.org/gov/2.asp

To not understand this influence reflects a profound ignorance of the Founding documents and the Founding Fathers.
https://prezi.com/ilivdjxy4b_t/enlightenment-philosophers-influence-on-the-founding-fathers/
https://www.quora.com/How-did-the-Enlightenment-influence-the-American-Revolution
https://tradshad.wordpress.com/writings/enlightenment-influences-on-american-politics/
There is no mention of Yaweh or Jesus Christ in the founding documents, nor of the ten commandments. Many of the founders were primarily Deists:

John Adams in the Treaty of Tripoli:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...own-host-says-founding-father-reached-out-mu/
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I didn't say the US was founded to be a Christian Nation. I said it was founded on Christian principles. :) Chris B.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I didn't say the US was founded to be a Christian Nation. I said it was founded on Christian principles. :) Chris B.
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Which is incorrect,
The foundations of American government lie squarely in the 17th and 18th century European Enlightenment. The American founders were well versed in the writings of the philosophes, whose ideas influenced the shaping of the new country.
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Resume said:
Which is incorrect,
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Oh, I think that anytime you get a bunch of Masons together they're gonna be well versed on what they're doing. Yet at the core of their decisions you will find Christian principles.....Now you can argue against it as much as you wish but that won't change the reality of this.
Chris B.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Oh, I think that anytime you get a bunch of Masons together they're gonna be well versed on what they're doing. Yet at the core of their decisions you will find Christian principles.....Now you can argue against it as much as you wish but that won't change the reality of this.
Chris B.
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The reality is that Christ (or Yaweh) is mentioned exactly nowhere in the founding documents. The foundation is based firmly in enlightenment values. This has been demonstrated time and again, over and over in this forum.
 
The only people who should have a say in a woman getting an abortion are the woman herself, her partner and her/their doctor. Anyone else is sticking their nose into a personal matter which does not affect them.
 
KatieG said:
The only people who should have a say in a woman getting an abortion are the woman herself, her partner and her/their doctor. Anyone else is sticking their nose into a personal matter which does not affect them.
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Unless you're a celebrity. Then you can do whatever you want with a pussy.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
There was a good reason for this as religious freedom does not limit everyone to a single religion. This does not negate the fact that the USA was founded on Christian principles and allowed freedom of all other religions to practice as well.
Chris B.
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The #1 Christian principle is not freedom of religion, it is to only worship the "one true god." You are wrong.
 
Sherkeu said:
There doesn't seem to be any exemption for non-viable fetal anomalies that are detected at 20-24 weeks. They are rare...probably less than 50 women in Kentucky in a year, but they do happen.
Most women make the heartbreaking decision to terminate a hopeless pregnancy rather than carry to term.

Being forced to go through months of looking fully pregnant, knowing the fetus will 100% die (and could die at any moment), would be so cruel. I have been pregnant (healthy baby thankfully), and I know that lots of well-meaning strangers make comments and ask questions. ("How far along are you?" "Do you know what it is?" "Have you picked a name?"...). It absolutely needs to be a choice to go through that or not. Not to mention all the physical complications that can arise.
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Yes, but.. as conservatives think.. you're just a woman, stay out of politics.
 
my body my choice,
The day men can carry pregnancies it becomes men's business.
I agree it is a fraught position, and I would never judge anyone's decision, but it is women's business, and face it, we have precious little of that...
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Oh, I think that anytime you get a bunch of Masons together they're gonna be well versed on what they're doing. Yet at the core of their decisions you will find Christian principles.....Now you can argue against it as much as you wish but that won't change the reality of this.
Chris B.
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What core christian principle are you talking about ? Please cite some which are actually not core of all society with human (e.g. "you shall not murder" , while a core christian principle , is actually a principle found in all human societies).

Once you get a list feel free to post it.
 
You do realise that most of the Founding Fathers and men who wrote your constitution were at best deists. You do know that Jefferson wrote a version of the Bible taking out all the miracle stuff? John Adams in the Treaty of Tripoli stated that the government of the USA was not IN ANY SENSE founded on the Christian religion. This is what the framers of your constitution thought and believed. Just because they wrote in a language common to the people of their time does not mean they were as petty and arrogant as the fundamentalist Christians who seem to think the USA should be run their way, rather than in a way that works for the vast majority of the country who don't buy their crazy nonsense.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Oh, I think that anytime you get a bunch of Masons together they're gonna be well versed on what they're doing. Yet at the core of their decisions you will find Christian principles.....Now you can argue against it as much as you wish but that won't change the reality of this.
Chris B.
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So which Christian principle is it that says a black man is worth 3/5 of a white man?

I suppose it makes sense, though, to use the Constitution as originally written in support of your argument to suppress women's rights.
 
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