Abortion bill pass in Kentucky

[PhantomWolf]

Those who know the basic principles which separate good and evil. Normally this is taught within the household by parents. Of course if one does not profess an understanding of morality, there are other avenues to finding it.

Here's an example of morality:

John has $100.
Bill would like to have $100 too.
Bill could bonk John on the head and take his $100.
Bill decides this would be wrong and asks John how he made his $100 as Bill would like to have $100 too.
Morality,.

Chris B.

Morality is a fickle thing, for instance...

John has $100.
Bill would like to have $100 too.
Bill could bonk John on the head and take his $100.
Bill decides that since John is weak and can't actually defend himself to keep his $100, then Bill would be doing him a favour by taking it, as this would teaching him that he needs to be tougher and to learn to fight for what he has if he wants to survive.

Morality.

Totally depends on how you decide to spin it.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Morality is a fickle thing, for instance...

John has $100.
Bill would like to have $100 too.
Bill could bonk John on the head and take his $100.
Bill decides that since John is weak and can't actually defend himself to keep his $100, then Bill would be doing him a favour by taking it, as this would teaching him that he needs to be tougher and to learn to fight for what he has if he wants to survive.

Morality.

Totally depends on how you decide to spin it.

That is funny, but what you have described would be a perfect norm for Middle East thinking when you think about it. Chris B.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Because parents do not have always the necessary knowledge, and the courage or the willingness to teach properly. That is why the "talk" is shown as cringeworthy in popular culture : because it is. It is a talk between both actor about something very intimate. Paradoxically it is FAR easier for a stranger to speak about the meat of the stuff.

And again, most parents will not have the necessary knowledge to tell you how fertility works, what contraceptive are , how they works, how they are used , etc... And don't start me on parents which adamantly want an abstinence ... Which will mostly not happen, see teenage preganncy rate again.

Parents are the WORST teacher of sex ed

I'm forty and my parents have yet to talk to me about sex. They're in their seventies, and have yet to hear from my grandparents about sex. Except for the day of my parents' wedding, my grandmother drew my mom aside and whispered "just lie there and endure it". That was the sum total of sexual knowledge passed down via the culturally-approved method of parents teaching children.

 

[Babbylonian]

I'm forty and my parents have yet to talk to me about sex. They're in their seventies, and have yet to hear from my grandparents about sex. Except for the day of my parents' wedding, my grandmother drew my mom aside and whispered "just lie there and endure it". That was the sum total of sexual knowledge passed down via the culturally-approved method of parents teaching children.

My mom was great about teaching me about sex. At least twice a week throughout my puberty, we sat down and watched Donahue together.

 

[fagin]

That is funny, but what you have described would be a perfect norm for Middle East thinking when you think about it. Chris B.

Wasn't your jesus from the Middle East?

 

[Cleon]

Wasn't your jesus from the Middle East?

Yeah, but he was a white European. It was a miracle or something.

 

[Resume]

nm

 

[fagin]

Yeah, but he was a white European. It was a miracle or something.

According to the internet, his mum was from New York...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5360996/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_7

 

[logger]

Because parents do not have always the necessary knowledge, and the courage or the willingness to teach properly. That is why the "talk" is shown as cringeworthy in popular culture : because it is. It is a talk between both actor about something very intimate. Paradoxically it is FAR easier for a stranger to speak about the meat of the stuff.

And again, most parents will not have the necessary knowledge to tell you how fertility works, what contraceptive are , how they works, how they are used , etc... And don't start me on parents which adamantly want an abstinence ... Which will mostly not happen, see teenage preganncy rate again.

Parents are the WORST teacher of sex ed

Really? Every parent I know are very much involved with their children, you may not know any that are. That means I'm not going to hand over my responsibility to the state.

Many people at young age and many parents even at adult age do DO NOT get it , especially the no-intercourse-required and not-all-intercourse-lead-to-pregnancy this is why it should be handled by teacher. And why precision is required. [/quote let those parents hand over their responsibilities to the state.

It already is. Parents which work are leaving raising and educating 8hs long to others already. But far more importantely parents can teach their kids about the moral and ethic but they are not in the position in general to teach knowledge. What school can teach is knowledge. What parent can educate is the moral and ethics.

Again, let those parents who can't, hand it over to the state. I'm not!

When you stop children having knowledge because of your own moral and ethics , you are doing a great disservice to children.

Agreed, those parents should be ashamed they don't love their children enough to handle these issues.

 

[Babbylonian]

Really? Every parent I know are very much involved with their children, you may not know any that are. That means I'm not going to hand over my responsibility to the state.

This is pure idiocy. It's not about "handing over [your] responsibility." It's about correctly and usefully educating children who go to public school. If you and the parents you know are "very much involved" with your children, then when they come back from school with information that contradicts your beliefs, you'll talk about it and the children will [obviously] come to their own decision on what to believe. If your children can't handle a quality sex ed class without going on a sex rampage, then you have failed, not "the state."

Your children are going to masturbate and at some point have sexual intercourse (or they already have). Wouldn't it be nice if they and all their eventual partners know that this is an absolutely natural process, that there is the potential for unfavorable outcomes, and that they have options when it comes to preventing those unfavorable outcomes?

See, this is where public school sex education comes in: To address the problem that not every parent is as great at teaching their kids as you are*.

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[marplots]

This is pure idiocy. It's not about "handing over [your] responsibility." It's about correctly and usefully educating children who go to public school. If you and the parents you know are "very much involved" with your children, then when they come back from school with information that contradicts your beliefs, you'll talk about it and the children will [obviously] come to their own decision on what to believe. If your children can't handle a quality sex ed class without going on a sex rampage, then you have failed, not "the state."

Your children are going to masturbate and at some point have sexual intercourse (or they already have). Wouldn't it be nice if they and all their eventual partners know that this is an absolutely natural process, that there is the potential for unfavorable outcomes, and that they have options when it comes to preventing those unfavorable outcomes?

See, this is where public school sex education comes in: To address the problem that not every parent is as great at teaching their kids as you are*.

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It might be less controversial if we just called it "Biology class" instead of Sex Ed.

 

[logger]

This is pure idiocy. It's not about "handing over [your] responsibility." It's about correctly and usefully educating children who go to public school. If you and the parents you know are "very much involved" with your children, then when they come back from school with information that contradicts your beliefs, you'll talk about it and the children will [obviously] come to their own decision on what to believe. If your children can't handle a quality sex ed class without going on a sex rampage, then you have failed, not "the state."

Your children are going to masturbate and at some point have sexual intercourse (or they already have). Wouldn't it be nice if they and all their eventual partners know that this is an absolutely natural process, that there is the potential for unfavorable outcomes, and that they have options when it comes to preventing those unfavorable outcomes?

See, this is where public school sex education comes in: To address the problem that not every parent is as great at teaching their kids as you are*.

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I'd be great if I had a dollar every time a leftist told me to give up control and allow the state to take over. Maybe we should just outlaw leftists from having children, they don't seem to have the courage to even be a parent.

 

[PhantomWolf]

I'd be great if I had a dollar every time a leftist told me to give up control and allow the state to take over. Maybe we should just outlaw leftists from having children, they don't seem to have the courage to even be a parent.

Maybe we should just scrap schools altogether because parents are obviously better at teaching everything to their kids than trained professions, and clearly any teaching that the parent does allow the school to do is allowing the State to raise the kid.

 

[bruto]

I'd be great if I had a dollar every time a leftist told me to give up control and allow the state to take over. Maybe we should just outlaw leftists from having children, they don't seem to have the courage to even be a parent.

Well, I'm certainly glad to hear someone from your side of the aisle come out so strongly against school prayer.

 

[Aepervius]

I'd be great if I had a dollar every time a leftist told me to give up control and allow the state to take over. Maybe we should just outlaw leftists from having children, they don't seem to have the courage to even be a parent.

You are but one person with limited time, resource , teaching experience and knowledge, much lower in all those than a group of dozen, if not hundred of people pouring over a program to tailor it to teenager, be it math, physic, or biology. Are you ready to recognize this is not a "leftist propaganda" but rather a truth ?

Then if you recognize that your talk about control are about utter imbecilic. This is about teaching facts. Facts are not leftist , they are not rightist , they exists independent of political party. A fact is how long a woman is fertile in her cycle, what hormones are involved, and how to lower chance of pregnancy. Those are undeniable fact left/right/middle whatever your political affiliation.

If you cannot tell me what is LH and FSH without googling, and what are their role, and how they influence the endometrium, then you have no role telling us educating is giving control to the "leftist". And even if you DO know a bit, there are plenty like that which you will NOT know, but a biology program done and prepared by dozen/hundreds professionals over the year WILL know.

Furthermore as said above it is far far easier to teach a stranger on precise sex ed than with a parent.

If you can't recognize both of that, you have no business being a parent frankly. You do a great disservice to your child.

Parenting is about educating your child in proper manner, politeness, ethic and moral.
Leave to the expert the teaching of knowledge : the school.

 

[Aepervius]

Maybe we should just scrap schools altogether because parents are obviously better at teaching everything to their kids than trained professions, and clearly any teaching that the parent does allow the school to do is allowing the State to raise the kid.

If I have had one dollar every time I hear a right wing person telling me they are better at teaching sex ed or bio (or anything else) than the school teacher... Well I would have had a few dozen dollar, maybe a hundred by now. The only one they are BSing is themselves and possibly their children.

The sad reality is that they simply want their children to not have sex, and want to fight biological imperative by stopping knowledge getting to their children. Completely utterly imbecilic and is enough to explain the high rate of teenage pregnancy in the US. The role of a parent is not to teach knowledge, they mostly don't have enough. Their role is to try to educate cultural values. Logger seem to be confusing the one for the other.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

I'd be great if I had a dollar every time a leftist told me to give up control and allow the state to take over. Maybe we should just outlaw leftists from having children, they don't seem to have the courage to even be a parent.

What, outlaw? You'd hand over responsibility to the state? You commie.

 

[Darat]

That is funny, but what you have described would be a perfect norm for Middle East thinking when you think about it. Chris B.

You mean the people living in Iowa?

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

You mean the people living in Iowa?

Ha, no I was talking about Arabs. A good example of the difference in conscience can be found here:

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-...ence/kent-csi/vol8no3/html/v08i3a05p_0001.htm

It's large document but here are the hilites quoted from it I'm referring to:

"Christianity emphasizes the personal God within each man, who enforces an ideal of perfection in behaviour and in thought. The sacrifice of the "only begotten Son" dramatizes this personal God interested in each individual soul. The Christian is supposed, by prayer or confession, to ask pardon for every instance of failure to reach perfection, and it is not difficult to see how this concept could instill a sense of personal guilt and obligation beyond self. The development of conscience or capacity for feeling guilt in religious life naturally spills over into non-religious contexts in cultures where Christianity is dominant and so is evident in other acts of life.
Offering sharply contrasting principles to these, Islam--religion, social force, and almost complete way of life of the ab Near East-naturally shapes much of the Arabs' cultural attitude. Even the Christian Arabs are immersed in a background of Muslim culture. By definition and profession, Islam is the "surrendering of the self to the will of Allah," and it portrays a God remote, all-pervading, and wholly out of contact with the individual man. In prayers, to be sure, Muslims implore God to do well by them and lead them on the right path. But all of Muslim theology conveys the feeling that God is so all-pervading and at the same time so far above and removed from the individual that all human actions and their consequences are but the sequels of God's doings: the individual is merely an animate pawn. This supremely impersonal God, above and beyond rather than within a person, impresses on the individual no requirement to accept guilt or personal responsibility for anything or to develop a conscience differentiating between intrinsic right and wrong."

Chris B.

 

[Darat]

Ha, no I was talking about Arabs. ...snip....

"Arabs"?