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AA77 FDR Data, Explained

Bob lives in Atlanta now, so he can have a new account?

He does? Not according to the post I linked above.

But the FDR error discussions and the lesson in PA, what happen?


It was derailed by your peers. Haven't you been reading?

Have you found the time correlation posted by apathoid yet? Have you read the NTSB Flight Path Study yet? What time does the NTSB calculate for "impact"?
 
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David James is aware of posts made by Capt Bob 3 years ago. What's your point? Dropping a bit too much acid tonight?

That's probably because he read them back then. What's your explanation? And no acid for me today, but even if so, I would still be more coherent than you.

He does? Not according to the post I linked above.

How long ago was that post made, Cap'n Bob?
 
Pinch, from what I understand, you're still allowed to post there despite your multiple socks (personality disorder?). Proven based on IP, unlike the "circumstantial evidence" required for a ban at JREF after 3 forms of ID are offered.

I think I recall Balsamo even giving you his personal phone number, but you refuse a recorded call. Not surprised.

Pinch did P4T ever require 3 forms of ID from you to post?

one post you don't know who "Rob" is, the next minute you are posting a JREF thread post with all of his info on it, the next you are referring to him quite easily as Balsamo. You also seem to know a lot about a forum (pft) you admit you haven't joined yet.

Who are you trying to fool here?

TAM
 
What part of "without consent" do you not get? I have no issues with what I said in the conversation, but I have serious issues with being recorded without my consent.


So, you have no issues and still stand by everything you said in this recorded call.

Thanks for clarifying.

For those with slow internet, here is what 911Files said in the call.


"I've caught them lying out the teeth buddy! (laughs) I mean what really convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt was the NTSB data. That is such an obvious misinformation campaign right there it isn't even funny. That stuff is so doctored. It just isn't even funny."

[...]

"The first thing I noticed in 3Ding is the Pentagon gate cameras....no way, no way. Ok that plane came in and hit those two poles, it had a certain angle of attack coming in. Ok...the Pentagon gate cameras have the thing sittin' on the ground. Naw naw naw that's not even reality. "

Remember, 911Files doesn't have any "issues" with what he said. Does anyone else here have "issues" with it?
 
Why don't you people just debate this guy bob instead of focusing on pointing out sockpuppets? Maybe everyone who has been banned should wear an armband with a big S on it? A tattoo? Paint a big giant S on their avatar?

Umm sorry. Didn't mean to Godwin this. My bad.
 
So, you have no issues and still stand by everything you said in this recorded call.

Thanks for clarifying.

For those with slow internet, here is what 911Files said in the call.




Remember, 911Files doesn't have any "issues" with what he said. Does anyone else here have "issues" with it?

I dunno. I have never heard 911files bring this up here at JREF, so why would I argue with him on the subject?

TAM;)
 
So, you have no issues and still stand by everything you said in this recorded call.

Thanks for clarifying.

For those with slow internet, here is what 911Files said in the call.




Remember, 911Files doesn't have any "issues" with what he said. Does anyone else here have "issues" with it?

Wow. So 911files is just all about sour apples?

Man that's pathetic.
 
He does? Not according to the post I linked above.


It was derailed by your peers. Haven't you been reading?

Have you found the time correlation posted by apathoid yet? Have you read the NTSB Flight Path Study yet? What time does the NTSB calculate for "impact"?
Bob is in GA, that is what he told the FAA. FAA gets upset when you do not have a current address. Forget that as you moved to GA, near Atlanta. Why does the FAA get mad when you do not change your address to where you live? Better tell Bob to update it quick.
Darn, you posted a 2006 post; Balsamo has a second-class physical now and he lives in Ga, or needs to change his address with the FAA. You could go to the FAA and see the real stuff.

Impact time of 77? You can't explain the impact time, or the FDR; if you could prove any of your “offer no theory” poppycock you would have a Pulitzer Prize but you have implications of lies for 15 or 16 bucks you sell to the uniformed.

A snake oil salesman for the Internet; Balsamo and his 11.2g expert math from p4t core who can’t help fix the implied lies.

So when will you post your impact time analysis and explain your impact time for a plane you said did not impact?
 
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Wow. So 911files is just all about sour apples?

Man that's pathetic.
Why are you off topic and unable to understand the FDR?

If you know the feet in a nautical mile you could help p4t.

Do you support the idiotic idea of no impact for Flight 77?

Do you understand pressure altitude in reference to the dissuasion in the last 5 pages of this thread?

Do you understand flying and how the FDR proves 77 was on track to impact the Pentagon?
Do you have any evidence to share with this thread? Or is your blind support for the implied lies of p4t just your best effort at being a skeptic?
 
LOL Captain Bobby and Turbofan LIVE TOGETHER?
Sheesh that is match made in WOO HEAVEN!
I do hope that soon they can make their partnership legal!
:dl:
Well I wish them the best of luck. They can even marry in Canada I think.
 
Wow. So 911files is just all about sour apples?

Man that's pathetic.

No HI, it is not about sour grapes. It is about CIT invading the privacy of eyewitnesses, maligning their character, using their interviews without consent, and in general having no respect for anyone. If you care to move to another thread where this is the topic (there is one somewhere), I'll address it further. However, Beachnut and Capt Bob wish to discuss FDR and PA here.

Sorry for the derail Beach...

Request to mods...please move these derail posts to an appropriate thread for follow-up.
 
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No HI, it is not about sour grapes. It is about CIT invading the privacy of eyewitnesses, maligning their character, using their interviews without consent, and in general having no respect for anyone. If you care to move to another thread where this is the topic (there is one somewhere), I'll address it further. However, Beachnut and Capt Bob wish to discuss FDR and PA here.

Sorry for the derail Beach...

Man this just ain't a night for the debunk is it? First UnLoved in his hate mail thread is exposed and now you.

Say goodnight and try again in the morning. But maybe you should try a new logon and avatar when you do.

Everything you claim now just seems to smell.
 
Man this just ain't a night for the debunk is it? First UnLoved in his hate mail thread is exposed and now you.

Say goodnight and try again in the morning. But maybe you should try a new logon and avatar when you do.

Everything you claim now just seems to smell.

You ever plan on making a substantive post, or you just going to spew the same BS over and over again?
 
Question: Why does the correction not apply while the aircraft is stationed on the runway? What bug in the software forgot to correct the Pressure ALT field while the aircraft was ready for take-off, and then suddenly corrected for 29.92?
What are you talking about?

On the runway you want to see 300 feet in the altimeter so you sent local QNH, that will display the elevation of the field for takeoff in the altimeter.

As I showed you the point where the pilots would change to 2992 during climb out at 18,000 feet.

As programmers we can easily correlate the altimeter setting to the altimeter to change the display on the animation based on phase of flight.

For takeoff the pilots for 77 will set the local altimeter setting (QNH) so the altimeter displays the field elevation. It is a procedure, not a technique. As the crew climbs out they set 2992 in the altimeter to display pressure altitude above 18,000 feet so we can fly flight levels (FL) so all the planes above 18,000 have the same altimeter setting as we fly to ensure altitude separation.

We use QNH below 18,000 feet to fly, and 2992

This is not an error; it is what you would program the data to do to display the proper instrument readings seen by the pilots. Just like the yoke position has to be translated to a visual symbol of the yoke position from the number in the FDR file.

When the pilots descend they set local QNH below 18,000 feet so when they land the altimeter reads close to the field elevation and they can fly approach procedures on the proper altitudes abased on local pressure.

To use the setting the pilots used is a simple programming step for the animation. As you can see the animation is capable of matching what the pilots would see.

The pressure altitude seen in the altimeter display for takeoff was corrected with local QNH, which is why we see 300 feet at takeoff, and then back to 2992 at 18,000 feet, the same as the raw numbers in the PA column.

The 300 feet is 40 PA, 300 feet is with the local QNH.

Do you understand pressure altitude?
 
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What are you talking about?

On the runway you want to see 300 feet in the altimeter so you sent local QNH, that will display the elevation of the field for takeoff in the altimeter.

As I showed you the point where the pilots would change to 2992 during climb out at 18,000 feet.

As programmers we can easily correlate the altimeter setting to the altimeter to change the display on the animation based on phase of flight.

For takeoff the pilots for 77 will set the local altimeter setting (QNH) so the altimeter displays the field elevation. It is a procedure, not a technique. As the crew climbs out they set 2992 in the altimeter to display pressure altitude above 18,000 feet so we can fly flight levels (FL) so all the planes above 18,000 have the same altimeter setting as we fly to ensure altitude separation.

We use QNH below 18,000 feet to fly, and 2992

This is not an error; it is what you would program the data to do to display the proper instrument readings seen by the pilots. Just like the yoke position has to be translated to a visual symbol of the yoke position from the number in the FDR file.

When the pilots descend they set local QNH below 18,000 feet so when they land the altimeter reads close to the field elevation and they can fly approach procedures on the proper altitudes abased on local pressure.

To use the setting the pilots used is a simple programming step for the animation. As you can see the animation is capable of matching what the pilots would see.

The pressure altitude seen in the altimeter display was corrected with local QNH, which is why we see 300 feet at takeoff, and then back to 2992 at 18,000 feet, the same as the raw numbers in the PA column.

The 300 feet is 40 PA, 300 feet is with the local QNH.

Do you understand pressure altitude?


This is not the scenario at the final leg of the animation. The altimeter does not adjust. How can the software do a conversion for part of the file and not the entire file? Do you understand my question now? In other words, the calibration is not consistent throughout. How is this possible?
 
This is not the scenario at the final leg of the animation. The altimeter does not adjust. How can the software do a conversion for part of the file and not the entire file? Do you understand my question now? In other words, the calibration is not consistent throughout. How is this possible?

How does the software know the QNH?
 
This is not the scenario at the final leg of the animation. The altimeter does not adjust. How can the software do a conversion for part of the file and not the entire file? Do you understand my question now? In other words, the calibration is not consistent throughout. How is this possible?

Because the hijackers were not concerned with touching down on a runway. So they saw no need to set local QNH below 18,000 feet. Their objective being to crash into a very large unique pentagon shaped building. Something Balsamo would miss.
 
This is not the scenario at the final leg of the animation. The altimeter does not adjust. How can the software do a conversion for part of the file and not the entire file? Do you understand my question now? In other words, the calibration is not consistent throughout. How is this possible?
You call yourself a programmer?

I am a programmer; I am an engineer, a pilot, and more. And from my limited IQ I can imagine how you could correct the values below 18,000 feet but miss it on the descent.

What does it mean to you and 911? The animation has nothing to do with 911, there are no real errors in the FDR information. The animation is not needed to explain 911, so not setting the local QNH on the animation means NOTHING.

Think about it, the animation is a representation programmed from the FDR! It does not mean anything, it is a tool to visualize accidents, this is not an accident, there is zero reason to finish the animation to make it look better, it will not keep the DNA from being deep in the Pentagon due to a 530 plus mph impact.

There is no reason to use the animation for anything 911Truth or you want to make of it.

I may need help to explain this. The animation is not a factor! Correcting with QNH as in real life on takeoff and climb out and missing it on the descent ONLY ON THE ANIMATION does not mean ANYTHING. Does anyone understand this?

The FDR has no real errors that cannot be explained when seen in different forms by an informed aircraft accident investigator with experience in FDRs and flying.

You are taking a cartoon essentially and trying to make up some delusions? What hit the Pentagon! There is proof it was 77, and the FDR supports that conclusion, not any 911Truth delusions.
 
How does the software know the QNH?
I have to install the better office to see the far out columns on the FDR, I beleive the QNH, I mean the setting is on a line way out to the right, I think the terrorist actually set local QNH.

I have to install the new office to see the far out columns on the FDR, I believe the QNH, I mean the setting is on a line way out to the right, I think the terrorist did set local QNH. Hani was trained to fly.

I image you can set the correction in the software, to make the animation appear as the pilot would see it. They must of forgot to correct it on descent.

I will try to find my office package and install it on my new silent computer junk I have been building secretly in the east tower office in my Sierra Nevada mountain villa. BTW, the animation is not a viable red flag, smoking gun or anything since it is a product of the FDR, it is not real, it is not needed, it is a product made for aircraft accident investigation.

Any truther who uses the animation for a topic is lost on a tangent. The FDR is all that is needed, the animation is okay, but you have to know the limitations.

When will a 911Truth member, or this new guy show me how the Pentagon is positioned by the FDR in the animation? He can’t, they can’t! Funny stuff; just stop and think about how the animation is derived and it becomes useless for 911Truth.
 
You call yourself a programmer?


I seem to have struck a nerve with you? I sure do program. If you have a set of variables with operators associated with them, the equation is applied to all data.

Therefore if there is a correction factor at the beginning of the file, the correction must be consistent throughout the file below 18,000 feet. You do notice the Baro values in column CG (Baro Cor No.1)? You do realize the conversion is done by the software and not a human? So why the error?
 

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