AA77 FDR Data, Explained

[uk_dave]

Undertow still has yet to apologise to Anti on this thread for his despicable, arrogant attitude when he came to counter antis argument, and then after being soundly thrashed had not the good grace to concede but instead just disappeared.

I was surprised to see that undertow was still listed as a 'researcher' for pft after that debacle.

 

[Turbofan]

Great.

So tell me though, is the Sept 11 date just a coincidence or was it picked for (supposed) impact? A fanfare decision rather than it being the earliest possible date?

Can you promise, or at least have the general understanding that, this docuement (it is a docuement of some sort, correct?) will contain a detailed account of how PfT arrives at the conclusion of two grossly differing flight paths and complete with calculations that make use of common Newtonian physics that B.Sc. undergrads the world wide would agree is all properly applied? (ie. not the embarrassing display of ignorance on the 11.2 G page)

OR

,,,,,,,, is this just "Pandora's Box Revolutions"

I did not set the release date, but I would imagine it's to honour those
killed on 9/11 along with being as early as possible.

From what I'm told it may be a bit later, but PFT is working hard to release
the video asap.

You'll have to wait on the content; unfortunately I'm not aware of the
specifics and direct answers to your questions.

 

[uk_dave]

I did not set the release date, but I would imagine it's to honour those
killed on 9/11 along with being as early as possible.

Aww that's sweet.... you hold off on actually presenting data which could blow the whole government conspiracy wide open, just so that you can use a date which honours those who died because of the attacks. How does that work with those who might have died in hospital days afterwards? Or are we sure that no such victims exist?

From what I'm told it may be a bit later, but PFT is working hard to release
the video asap.

ahhhhh.... so you won't be honouring those who died on that day then........... what exactly does 'hard work' mean in regards to 9-11 truther research?

You'll have to wait on the content; unfortunately I'm not aware of the
specifics and direct answers to your questions.

You're out of the loop. Fair enough. Well, at least you haven't tried to pretend that you know anything at all about structural engineering in the meantime.

 

[beachnut]

I did not set the release date, but I would imagine it's to honour those
Is it only a truther mind of fantasy that can stretch selling and spewing lies about 9/11 as honoring those who died on 9/11?

Your fantasy 77 did not hit the Pentagon is spitting on the graves of all who died on 9/11 by ignoring the proof terrorist ran 77 into the Pentagon.

One day you will gain some individual initiative and the knowledge to see how pathetic your lie, 77 not hitting the Pentagon, is. I warned you about 64 w/s, and I am trying to push you to WAKE UP, you are making a major error believing the p4t who are pathetic by letting you state the lies they imply.

You state the lies p4t imply.

Simple for me to see the lies, but for you, like being stuck on 64 wps, you are stuck stating lies.

 

[GlennB]

From what I'm told it may be a bit later, but PFT is working hard to release the video asap.

Wait .... have I got this wrong? ... the PffT "presentation" is a video??

Will it be a sampler for the DVD-to-come ($19.99 + $2.99 postage) ?

Will there be a heavy bass rhythm to the incidental music?

Will there be a deep, doom-laden voiceover, beginning "...on 9/11...."?

Will there be atrocious graphics and CGI ?

Or will PffT be presenting a scholarly paper for peer-review in the aeronutical world?

Hmmmmm...... thinks .....

 

[Turbofan]

Yeah, it is pretty sweet. When you consider we've gathered all the BS
from the GL's over the last few months and researched it, debunked it,
produced it...you have a date which falls around right about now.

Don't get mad with us because the NTSB release data that is too high
to hit the Pentagon, off course from the official government conspiracy
theory.

Hey Funk, provide a name so I can look up your stats. While you're at
it,
prove you're better than PFT by decoding the raw file with all of your
'contacts'

P.S. PFT will release a 'tech paper' once the FBI/NTSB release a real
investigation.

WHo knows, we may have another surprise for you just yet.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Ah the old cop out. In other words they never intend to release a tech paper showing their uncovering of the biggest crime in the history of man. But they are putting out a presentation to "honor" the people killed in that crime, which just happens to work as a big sales marketing bonanza.

Just don't get mad when you fail to sell any DVDs. One of the problems with not going to the experts, the authorities, or the media (other than the fact that it would expose you kids as frauds) is that after a couple of weeks, where will you be? Same place you are now. Pretending to know more than real experts and no one to listen to you.

And as for PFT having better stats, seeing as PFT has ABSOLUTELY NO expertise in FDRs, what's the point? If your experience is 0, how can you have more expertise than anyone else?

 

[Turbofan]

And as for PFT having better stats, seeing as PFT has ABSOLUTELY NO expertise in FDRs, what's the point? If your experience is 0, how can you have more expertise than anyone else?

That's your opinion.

It is a fact however that PFT decoded the FDR raw file and found mistakes in the
NTSB data and went public with their research and names.

That's a pretty big accomplishment. I don't see anyone else in the world
claiming to have decoded the AA77 raw file...certainly none of the 'experts'
here.

Say what you want about the release date, and all. I think you'll be surprised
with the amount of information that will be forthcoming.

 

[JimBenArm]

Yeah, it might actually contain a fact that conforms to reality. That would surprise me greatly.

Hope my heart can take it.

 

[Disbelief]

That's your opinion.

It is a fact however that PFT decoded the FDR raw file and found mistakes in the
NTSB data and went public with their research and names.

That's a pretty big accomplishment. I don't see anyone else in the world
claiming to have decoded the AA77 raw file...certainly none of the 'experts'
here.

Here is what you can't seem to grasp, is that since PfT has no expertise in analyzing FDR data, no one will take you seriously. Get people with recognized expertise in FDR data analysis, and then present your case. Until then you are engaging in propoganda and trying to sell merchandise.

Say what you want about the release date, and all. I think you'll be surprised
with the amount of information that will be forthcoming.

The only surprise will be the spin you try to put on your "data." So, where did they find the FDR that you decoded?

 

[funk de fino]

Hey Funk, provide a name so I can look up your stats.

If you think I would give a name to anyone associated with the creep Balsamo you are sorely mistaken. I would like to avoid recordings, threatening phone calls and death threats thank you very much. See my signature for further clarification.

Do you think the RAF would just give out my details anyway? I have supplied docs to someone on here to back up my claim of who I am and what I did.

While you're at it, prove you're better than PFT by decoding the raw file with all of your 'contacts'

I do not have to and I no longer work in that industry. Contacts gone I'm afraid. Just give me a name of somone with my experience from your list because I fail to see even one. Especially not Naomi.

P.S. PFT will release a 'tech paper' once the FBI/NTSB release a realinvestigation.

WHo knows, we may have another surprise for you just yet.

Why would they carry out an investigation? You do know why they did the existing reports?

Also please answer the question I have asked repeatedly about the missing data. Why was there data not recorded or confirmed to be recorded in the FDR? Why was there missing parameters?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

That's your opinion.

It is a fact however that PFT decoded the FDR raw file and found mistakes in the
NTSB data and went public with their research and names.

That's a pretty big accomplishment. I don't see anyone else in the world
claiming to have decoded the AA77 raw file...certainly none of the 'experts'
here.

Say what you want about the release date, and all. I think you'll be surprised
with the amount of information that will be forthcoming.

No, it's not an opinion, it's a hard FACT. The issue here is you thinking that having expertise makes no difference. But at the same time, using expertise as a requirement for others and not yourselves.

The bottom line is that PFT has ABSOLUTELY NO EXPERTISE in FDRs what so ever. And it's a fact that PFT has not bothered to get anyone with any expertise to study their findings for verification that it is indeed correct and that there aren't any errors that their lack of expertise might not be able to see.

I could claim to have decoded the human genome and that makes me an expert. But without being an expert, I would have no way of knowing if my decoding is correct. The only way to find out would be to share my findings with real experts.

And I WILL say what I say about the release date because you and I and everyone else here knows it's completely true. The release date is simply a cute marketing ploy. Instead of being concerned about getting the info out to real experts as soon as possible, you are more concerned about the best angle to market and sell DVDs.

And after the release date that was more focused on sales than truth and nothing happens because no real experts were contacted , then what?

 

[WildCat]

Say what you want about the release date, and all. I think you'll be surprised
with the amount of information that will be forthcoming.

Like what - a new line of PfffT shopping bags, knit hats, and hoodies?

 

[beachnut]

It is a fact however that PFT decoded the FDR raw file and found mistakes in the NTSB data and went public with their research and names.

No it there are ZERO errors in the NTSB data! The only errors are in p4t decode.

The errors are in the p4t decode.
The p4t put DME every second when it should be in every forth second; this means the sample second is not placed.
The p4t leave out 87 percent of a vertical velocity.
The p4t did not decode the time.
You never have listed errors in NTSB data, you just say it. Fantasy

That's a pretty big accomplishment. I don't see anyone else in the world claiming to have decoded the AA77 raw file...certainly none of the 'experts' here.

Yes, they decode the FDR found in the Pentagon making your idea on 77 a big lie. Funny how ironic it is when you use the FDR, you debunk yourself.

So far your list of errors in the NTSB data is
1. NOTHING but talk

 

[Turbofan]

Yup, just as suspected. More circular nonsense.

FDR Experts at PFT consist of Aircaft Accident Investigators, including one
who taught the subject at the premier aviation University in the country.

We also have FDR Experts currently working for FDR Companies. We will give
you their names the moment you are able to decode the raw file yourselves
and give us the names of those who did.

You were told all this before numerous times.

Why wont Beachnut call L3?

You used to complain truthers didn't have any Structural Engineers. Many
went public and you started character assassination. Most of you are
nothing but paranoid cowards.

OK, there are NO errors in the NTSB released data...but it doesn't support
AA77's official government conspiracy theory. Is that better?

 

[beachnut]

No it there are ZERO errors in the NTSB data! The only errors are in p4t decode.

The errors are in the p4t decode.
The p4t put DME every second when it should be in every forth second; this means the sample second is not placed.
The p4t leave out 87 percent of a vertical velocity.
The p4t did not decode the time.
You never have listed errors in NTSB data, you just say it. Fantasy

Yes, they decode the FDR found in the Pentagon making your idea on 77 a big lie. Funny how ironic it is when you use the FDR, you debunk yourself.

So far your list of errors in the NTSB data is
1. NOTHING but talk

You can't list the errors in the NTSB data cause you got none.

The p4t decode of DME, proves the decode p4t team are rank amateurs.

Your list?

... paranoid cowards.

No not your list of insults!

OK, there are NO errors in the NTSB released data...but it doesn't support AA77's official government conspiracy theory. Is that better?

You lied? Now there are no errors? But there is no conspiracy theory for the true events of 9/11. The terrorist took 77 and impacted the Pentagon and the FDR exactly matches the flight of 77 and is 6 second short of the Pentagon in the last second as confirmed by matching the FDR to the RADAR data something the math and physics challenge 1.5 DME 11.2 G p4t amateur fantasy guys can't do! lol

Sorry, the FDR does support 77 hitting the Pentagon, you need to understand a few skills to figure it out. Got physics.

 

[WildCat]

Yup, just as suspected. More circular nonsense.

FDR Experts at PFT consist of Aircaft Accident Investigators, including one
who taught the subject at the premier aviation University in the country.

We also have FDR Experts currently working for FDR Companies. We will give
you their names the moment you are able to decode the raw file yourselves
and give us the names of those who did.

You were told all this before numerous times.

Why wont Beachnut call L3?

You used to complain truthers didn't have any Structural Engineers. Many
went public and you started character assassination. Most of you are
nothing but paranoid cowards.

OK, there are NO errors in the NTSB released data...but it doesn't support
AA77's official government conspiracy theory. Is that better?

You got experts, but it's a secret. You have evidence of the crime of the century, but you want to play stupid games with people on the internet before you release the evidence.

What a pile of steaming bull feces.

 

[jaydeehess]

I did not set the release date, but I would imagine it's to honour those
killed on 9/11 along with being as early as possible.

From what I'm told it may be a bit later, but PFT is working hard to release
the video asap.

You'll have to wait on the content; unfortunately I'm not aware of the
specifics and direct answers to your questions.

Yet another video.

Are you and PfT serious about this subject or not???

It does not appear so.

Still content to spin your wheels creating videos and argueing on the internet and expecting any expert organization to check your findings?

pathos, they name is PfT

 

[Bananaman]

Turbofan needs a clip round the ear and sending to bed with no supper in my opinion.

Just my opinion.

Bananaman.

 

[beachnut]

We also have FDR Experts currently working for FDR Companies. We will give you their names the moment you are able to decode the raw file yourselves and give us the names of those who did.

They can't decode the DME right. Plus they do not support your lies. You can't tell us their names, someone let priority data out of the bag. They can loose their job when you post their names. lol funny stuff.
No you don't have anyone. The people you have are listed on the p4t core page that has grown, very slowly! lol

You are not even a member of p4t. lol Their list grows with new pilots, so slow. Is this due to the false information they spread? I hope most pilots are not dumb enough to fall for the lies Balsamo implies.

53 pilots today. Wow; that is up from 50 or so. Wow. Is that 0.0001 percent of all pilots?