AA77 FDR Data, Explained

[lapman]

You are w-a-y out of your depth here.

Well, he does think that FOIA = absolute perfection.

 

[Turbofan]

Well, he does think that FOIA = absolute perfection.

So you're admitting the NTSB made some errors?

Now that PFT has found the errors and corrected them, you would rather
believe the "faulty FOIA" request than study the FDR data?

We're the "nut bars" huh?

FOIA for this scenario is simply a release of data extracted from the FDR.

Where do you believe the errors occured from decoding data to public release?

 

[lapman]

So you're admitting the NTSB made some errors?

Now that PFT has found the errors and corrected them, you would rather
believe the "faulty FOIA" request than study the FDR data?

We're the "nut bars" huh?

FOIA for this scenario is simply a release of data extracted from the FDR.

Where do you believe the errors occured from decoding data to public release?

I would rather believe what the full body of evidence shows. Because you put all your eggs in the FDR basket, you are "nut bars." I don't care where the errors are. It's irrelevant when compared to the full body of evidence.

 

[Turbofan]

I would rather believe what the full body of evidence shows. Because you put all your eggs in the FDR basket, you are "nut bars." I don't care where the errors are. It's irrelevant when compared to the full body of evidence.

So you're claiming that the FDR is inadmissible as evidence against the
offical governement theory because?

Errors made by the NTSB?

Erroneous data recorded from several aircraft sensors?

What's your stance?

 

[HyJinX]

So you're claiming that the FDR is inadmissible as evidence against the
offical governement theory because?

Errors made by the NTSB?

Erroneous data recorded from several aircraft sensor?

What's your stance?

Stance? The plane hit the building and all the passengers died. This evidence, when added to eye-witness accounts, the wreckage and the entire crime scene trumps whatever crap you think disproves this. Why are you being a knucklehead?

 

[Reheat]

So you're claiming that the FDR is inadmissible as evidence against the offical governement theory because?

Well? If it is why are you wasting your time here?

Errors made by the NTSB?

pfffft according to you are the "experts" so why don't you have the answer?

Erroneous data recorded from several aircraft sensors?

It would be simple to find out, now wouldn't it.

What's your stance?

Translation=I want you to take a position so I can extend this silly discussion. I'm running out of material, so I need more....

 

[TheRedWorm]

What's your stance?

How about, for once, you give us your stance. Tell us, from takeoff to whatever happened, to the airplane that the rest of the world accepts hit the pentagon. Tell us, from instillation in said airplane to recovery inside the pentagon, what happened to the FDR. When and how was the data on said FDR modified. How were the debris and human remains planted?

Please do not direct me to a website that I already know doesn't answer my questions. Please do not waffle, obfuscate, insult, or dodge. This goes to the heart of any credibility you or those you represent have. I expect you to ignore it, but hey, people wouldn't play the lottery if no one ever won.

 

[WildCat]

How about, for once, you give us your stance. Tell us, from takeoff to whatever happened, to the airplane that the rest of the world accepts hit the pentagon. Tell us, from instillation in said airplane to recovery inside the pentagon, what happened to the FDR. When and how was the data on said FDR modified. How were the debris and human remains planted?

Please do not direct me to a website that I already know doesn't answer my questions. Please do not waffle, obfuscate, insult, or dodge. This goes to the heart of any credibility you or those you represent have. I expect you to ignore it, but hey, people wouldn't play the lottery if no one ever won.

Here's Turbofan's take on what happened. It's actually quite conservative, I didn't even include paying off/threatening the FBI!

Flight 77 disappears from radar screens, and is replaced by either a "smaller plane" or a missile, above it which flys a Boeing E-4B. Making impossibly tight turns at high speed no other airplane is capable of, the "smaller plane" or missile strikes the Pentagon, while the E4B flys over the Pentagon. Teams of conspirators immediately swoop down on the scene, tearing light poles out of the ground, sticking one in Lloyd England's cab. Other conspirators tear up tree branches, knock over construction equipment and material, fences, and marking poles where they figure Flight 77 would hit if it had actually taken the flight path they programmed into the FDR, which the crack team of conspirators also planted in the Pentagon. Other teams of conspirators spread airplane parts all over the lawn of the Pentagon, inside the Pentagon, and in the alley beyond the C-Ring. They blow a hole in the C-Ring with a wall breaching kit for good measure. At the same time, other conspirators go inside the burning Pentagon and plant the remains of the Flight 77 passengers and crew, which have been ground into hamburger a short time earlier when Flight 77 was diverted to some other airport where everyone on board was killed.

All of this was done in broad daylight in front of hundreds of witnesses - from people on their way to work, to Pentagon employees, to firemen, paramedics, and policemen arriving on the scene. And nobody notices!

But there was one problem - one of the doofuses at the NWO accidentally programmed the flight path of the decoy plane into the planted FDR instead of the fllight path they would officially claim for Flight 77. The NTSB ignores these discrepancies, because they are also in on the conspiracy.

Everything is going smoothly until the crack team of FDR experts and researchers at the PfffT files a FOIA request and the NTSB turns over the incorrect data. Now they have blown the whole scheme wide open!

 

[TheRedWorm]

Well, wow. I assume that he has yet to correct you on any part of that narrative, implying that it is what he believes. Is what WildCat wrote an accurate summary of what your stance is, TF?

 

[Turbofan]

Well? If it is why are you wasting your time here?

Just passing time trying to figure out what GL's are thinking, and why they
can't come to any solid excu...I mean conclusions about the FDR.

pfffft according to you are the "experts" so why don't you have the answer?

We have questions based on the research. We must be better than the
boys at the NTSB if we found mistakes in flight data.

It would be simple to find out, now wouldn't it.

Sure thing. So, explain where you think the aircraft is positioned based
on the last DME value stored, using speed and the official story as your
criteria.

Translation=I want you to take a position so I can extend this silly discussion. I'm running out of material, so I need more....

Having a position would be nice. You can't debate without a grasp on your
conclusions. Maybe that's why this thread is 41+ pages and your guys
can't agree on an excu...oops, I mean theory.

All you need to know about my position is that AA77 didn't hit the light poles/
Pentagon based on the flight data.

Commenting on the other particulars is not in the scope of this thread.

 

[WildCat]

All you need to know about my position is that AA77 didn't hit the light poles/
Pentagon based on the flight data.

Must have been the NWO trimming trees with a jet engine, knocking a light pole on Lloyd England's taxi, and damaging the VDOT pole!

Such attention to detail, but they forgot to fake the data in the FDR correctly, or simply claim it was too damaged to get any data!

 

[DC]

yeah read Lloyd England's interviews, and you know something is very wrong

 

[funk de fino]

Perhaps the lurkers would like to read the actual report on the FDR from the NTSB and see how they describe the recording and data aquisition compared to the pfffft loons explanations.

if so

http://www.ntsb.gov/info/AAL77_fdr.pdf

Of interest is the DFDAU, the compression of data, the missing parameters and unconfirmed data. Also mentioned is the time division multiplexed input signals and what happens if data stream is interrupted.

 

[bje]

Commenting on the other particulars is not in the scope of this thread.

Sorry, Turbofan, you cannot resort to more evasions. The discussion of any and all evidence concerning AA77 and the Pentagon is within the scope of this thread.

Now, where are the statements of the eyewitnesses to the wreckage that you are avoiding giving us?

 

[DC]

Perhaps the lurkers would like to read the actual report on the FDR from the NTSB and see how they describe the recording and data aquisition compared to the pfffft loons explanations.

if so

http://www.ntsb.gov/info/AAL77_fdr.pdf

Of interest is the DFDAU, the compression of data, the missing parameters and unconfirmed data. Also mentioned is the time division multiplexed input signals and what happens if data stream is interrupted.

also find other reports (not 9/11 related) and compare them, especially serial numbers.

there are also other FDR reports that do mention data lag, corrupted data, missing serial numbers etc. all the things we miss in the AA77 report

 

[funk de fino]

also find other reports (not 9/11 related) and compare them, especially serial numbers.

there are also other FDR reports that do mention data lag, corrupted data, missing serial numbers etc. all the things we miss in the AA77 report

Except you ignore the fact again that this was not an accident investigation to identify the cause of the crash. It was a simple report of the the FDR data for the FBI.

It even explains what the report is on the first page.

 

[DC]

Except you ignore the fact again that this was not an accident investigation to identify the cause of the crash. It was a simple report of the the FDR data for the FBI.

It even explains what the report is on the first page.

also keep in mind that they made the report for another Agency. Normaly you try to provide asmuch information you can. but they left out important things they normally mention in theyr reports.
like Serial numbers, Part numbers, details about missing data or data lag.

 

[Reheat]

Just passing time trying to figure out what GL's are thinking, and why they can't come to any solid excu...I mean conclusions about the FDR.

There is a conclusion about the FDR here, you're just ignoring it. That is that the FDR is not needed to know the AA77 crashed into the Pentagon along with the passengers and crew.

We have questions based on the research. We must be better than the boys at the NTSB if we found mistakes in flight data.

Your delusions of grandeur are as unimpressive as your lack of understanding of what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11.

Sure thing. So, explain where you think the aircraft is positioned based
on the last DME value stored, using speed and the official story as your
criteria.

I'll give you an answer once you fully address the questions from Wildcat that you hope will go away.

Having a position would be nice. You can't debate without a grasp on your
conclusions. Maybe that's why this thread is 41+ pages and your guys
can't agree on an excu...oops, I mean theory.

You're repeating yourself.

All you need to know about my position is that AA77 didn't hit the light poles/
Pentagon based on the flight data.

Then address what did hit the light poles along with the other question that have been repeatedly asked by Wildcat.

Commenting on the other particulars is not in the scope of this thread.

Yes, I know, but you get no sympathy from me or anyone else that those nagging question just won't go away.

 

[funk de fino]

also keep in mind that they made the report for another Agency. Normaly you try to provide asmuch information you can. but they left out important things they normally mention in theyr reports.
like Serial numbers, Part numbers, details about missing data or data lag.

Wrong. This is not an accident report. Serial numbers are for identification to try and pinpoint cause of failure. This was not needed in this case. The part numbers and serial numbers are irrelevant in this case. Model of FDR is not therfore it is listed

The report mentions missing data, I suggest you read it again.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

also keep in mind that they made the report for another Agency. Normaly you try to provide asmuch information you can. but they left out important things they normally mention in theyr reports.
like Serial numbers, Part numbers, details about missing data or data lag.

But they don't always provide that stuff. You're trying to mislead people into thinking that normally the serial numbers are always collected and that flight 77 is the only time they weren't. This is completely untrue. Not to mention you are trying to compare accidents to a terrorist attack. The main difference being that in accidents more data is needed to try and determine the cause of the crash. In this case there was no question as to the cause of the collapse, it was simply a criminal investigation, NOT an accident investigation.

Can you provide some examples of planes being deliberately crashed by terrorists where they collected the serial numbers and all the rest of yoru requirements?