AA77 FDR Data, Explained

[Jonnyclueless]

I find it hilarious you jref types think the wings on AA77 wouldnt have been completely broken off at impact and been laying on the Pentagon lawn.
Its incredible seemingly intelligent people would think otherwise.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is this woody woodpeck or bugs bunny? Yes how silly of intelligent people agreeing with the laws of physics instead of the cartoons. If only Wyle E Coyote had been flying the plane!!!!

They sure didnt plow through the building, they are mostly air, with spars, and have fuel only in they're roots.

I am not sure if that is supposed to be engrish.

Regarding DNA..I have only the FBI'S word that dna "found"matches the passenger "list"..far from making it believable to me.

So the burden of you proving them to be lying is on you. Otherwise we have only your word that they are lying about the DNA. And of course this means that the 1000s of people all working at the independent testing labs are all in on it too. And of course ou also have to deal with the belongings of the passengers and the fact that the plane was identified on site as flight 77 by employees of the airline who were on site examining the parts (yes, despite turbofan's outright lie about this).

As far as the wings, they should have been mostly intact.The major 7 minute fire was inside the building, not outside.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!! You MUST be a member of P4T i that's what you think should happen.

Btw, over the weekend, i had a chance to test a question posed on the internet....

I have a steel wheelbarrow...i dumped two gallons of kerosene in it, after throwing a coke can in it i had just drank, and lit it....and let it burn out.

Guess what, the coke can was perfectly intact, except it was fairly hard to tell it was still a coke...could have been a pepsi.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The ACSE damage report and the dimensions of the plane just plain dont jive. And anyone who looks at the damage, lack of wings and large engine pieces(As Ed Plauger INITIALLY stated)would only have to have at most a mediocre elementary school education to deduce flight 77 didnt hit the Pentagon.

Oh stop, you're killing me!! LOL!!!

I never would have figured this country could produce so many sheep, thank god for the shearers like turbofan and others who protect and maintain your marginally worthwhile carcasses..........................


Sadly, Hitler said it best:

How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.



The above should be the byword around here

If I was drinking milk while reading your post, it would have come out of my nose I laughed so hard! But it's never complete without a mention of Hitler.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mr.Herbert]

Turbo,

Why don't you come back when you can explain how all those plane parts were planted. THOUSANDS of pounds of airplane parts. (call them missile parts if that makes you feel better.) Many people had to plant those parts... where? when? how?

There were witnesses to at least one body still strapped in a seat. Are you trying to say that Pentagon employees are really THAT safe they buckle up while at their desks.

I think the most important thing that you or PFFFT or CIT forget...How the hell were all those explosives planted? Why don't you look into the CIVILIAN contractors that were working there for quite some time. CIVILIAN contractors that are STILL there.

 

[SDC]

Btw, over the weekend, i had a chance to test a question posed on the internet....

I have a steel wheelbarrow...i dumped two gallons of kerosene in it, after throwing a coke can in it i had just drank, and lit it....and let it burn out.

Guess what, the coke can was perfectly intact, except it was fairly hard to tell it was still a coke...could have been a pepsi.

I never would have figured this country could produce so many sheep, thank god for the shearers like turbofan and others who protect and maintain your marginally worthwhile carcasses..........................


Sadly, Hitler said it best:

How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.



The above should be the byword around here

Cut by me to the bits I like best.

1/ Wait! I think he may be onto something. Was it a Coke Classic?

2/ Turbofan both sheers the sheep and protects them? What else does he do with them? Ahhh, ma petite, ... [ETA: my knowledge of intimate French has run out. Someone else will have to take over.]

3/ and we've got a winner! Godwin's law's prize goes to Roundhead.

Jeez. Citing Hitler as a source. Bring back the Cavaliers, I say.

 

[beachnut]

Is it true, people with failed ideas usually find the biggest failures to quote? Just like the people they quote, they think they are right about everything, right up to the END! Failure loves company.

Einstein has something to say about the current batch of truthers, who are trying to figure out 9/11 with manufactured data from p4t and making up lies and more false information!

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." Einstein

 

[HyJinX]

I find it hilarious you jref types think the wings on AA77 wouldnt have been completely broken off at impact and been laying on the Pentagon lawn.
Its incredible seemingly intelligent people would think otherwise.

They sure didnt plow through the building, they are mostly air, with spars, and have fuel only in they're roots.

Regarding DNA..I have only the FBI'S word that dna "found"matches the passenger "list"..far from making it believable to me.

As far as the wings, they should have been mostly intact.The major 7 minute fire was inside the building, not outside.


Btw, over the weekend, i had a chance to test a question posed on the internet....

I have a steel wheelbarrow...i dumped two gallons of kerosene in it, after throwing a coke can in it i had just drank, and lit it....and let it burn out.

Guess what, the coke can was perfectly intact, except it was fairly hard to tell it was still a coke...could have been a pepsi.

The ACSE damage report and the dimensions of the plane just plain dont jive. And anyone who looks at the damage, lack of wings and large engine pieces(As Ed Plauger INITIALLY stated)would only have to have at most a mediocre elementary school education to deduce flight 77 didnt hit the Pentagon.

I never would have figured this country could produce so many sheep, thank god for the shearers like turbofan and others who protect and maintain your marginally worthwhile carcasses..........................


Sadly, Hitler said it best:

How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.



The above should be the byword around here

Words fail...but I'll try...

This post is the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man of laughability and ridiculousness.

Please...post more. I need the fix.

 

[twinstead]

Wow. I've never seen such delicate tap dancing around the physical evidence. I suspect somebody's hands must be mighty tired from all that waving. Of course. It must be ALL fake. It's the ONLY explanation.

LOL

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I find it hilarious you jref types think the wings on AA77 wouldnt have been completely broken off at impact and been laying on the Pentagon lawn.

What planet are you from? I guess earth's laws of physics don't apply where you're from

Its incredible seemingly intelligent people would think otherwise.

They sure didnt plow through the building, they are mostly air, with spars, and have fuel only in they're roots.

so, roundhead.... what happens to objects with relatively small mass flying into reinforced masonry at 500 mph?

As far as the wings, they should have been mostly intact.

Again, I take it that earth's laws of physics don't apply on the planet you're from?

Btw, over the weekend, i had a chance to test a question posed on the internet....

I have a steel wheelbarrow...i dumped two gallons of kerosene in it, after throwing a coke can in it i had just drank, and lit it....and let it burn out.

Guess what, the coke can was perfectly intact, except it was fairly hard to tell it was still a coke...could have been a pepsi.

Oh god this is Steven Jones and mr. cinder block, with Richard Gage's Mrs. card board all over again...

I never would have figured this country could produce so many sheep, thank god for the shearers like turbofan and others who protect and maintain your marginally worthwhile carcasses..........................


Sadly, Hitler said it best:

How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

Yes thank god... it entertained me to the very end, ahhhh, the gift that keeps on giving.....



........ I have to step away from the computer so I can thrash widely across my living room in laughter...

 

[twinstead]

Oh my. I missed that. He actually said the wings should be relatively intact. OUCH!

 

[T.A.M.]

Turbofan...i would say you have pretty much owned this debate, lock stock and barrel.

I think it very credible you have stuck to facts in spite of childish attacks.

I think your full of ****. My opinion means about as much as yours.

TAM

 

[WildCat]

Btw, over the weekend, i had a chance to test a question posed on the internet....

I have a steel wheelbarrow...i dumped two gallons of kerosene in it, after throwing a coke can in it i had just drank, and lit it....and let it burn out.

Guess what, the coke can was perfectly intact, except it was fairly hard to tell it was still a coke...could have been a pepsi.

Please please please tell me you have a video of this on youtube!

 

[stateofgrace]

Witnesses...say they saw airplane parts, and pulled bodies from the Pentagon.
You can't prove those bodies came from AA77; they were employees, or
contract workers at the Pentgon. Since none of those witnesses were
qualified airplane investigators, they could have idea whether the parts
were from a missile, or smaller aircraft.

Nice try guys. Try finding some credible sources to backup your theories.

Really?

I personally prefer to listen to the hero's who were there, rather than sad, pathetic losers who dream they are hero's.

Mr. Trip,

You seem surprised that we veterans of that day do not like to talk to you. And you seem to think there is some sinister reason for that reluctance. Well, there is a reason, to be sure: it is you and your colleagues sinister behavior. When some weeks ago I challenged you and others to call me a liar to my face, for my statement about having held aircraft wreckage in my hands on that horrible day, I was ignored and mocked, of course.

But, folks from your little 'movement' seem to have decided that since I disagreed with them, and since I appear to have served honorably for 25 years in the US military, I was some how a threat to their house of cards. Reality is not a big part of your lives, it seems. So, fairly quickly after that, your ilk decided to 'investigate' me (if googling is investigating), and to post my 'suspicious' background in hopes of 'proving' I am some sort of government shill. So, this page appeared: http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_Fo...?showtopic=186

There is no honorable reason for the tone of that page. In addition, you didn't do a very good job, as you missed much, and misunderstood much more.

I again say that you and those who cluster with you, dancing on the graves of those who died that day, and denying the stories of those of us that did not, that you have no honor. If you have *any* understanding of the military, you will understand the depth of that comment, but I doubt you will.

I remain deeply grateful to Gravy and his friends, as I do not have the stomach to talk to you and yours. You seem to think this is because we are somehow afraid of you. Hardly.

I note on that attack page, the comment is made that this person is 'still waiting' for my message to them. Know this: I shall not talk to those who seek to validate their own sad lives by attempting to invent history. While I remain deeply opposed to the current president, and feel he was far from forthcoming about the reasons for the war in Iraq, I don't for a moment believe he stood by while an airplane hit my building. I pity you and your friends, for having the narrowness of vision to likely believe, at least on some level, the lunacy you propound. It is just a shame that you can not see beyond your own egos to the pain you uselessly inflict. You think you are seeking the truth, when in fact, you support lies and dishonor. Had you the ability to feel it, I would simply say "shame."

I now assume you will again either attempt to bad mouth or trivialize me. Sadly for you, you lack the ability to do that later, so will likely simply rely on the former, as you again wake up each day determined to see that which isn't there. How sad it must be to value one's life by being such a small fish, in an increasingly small puddle. You may now continue, of course, with your nonsense, your cruelty, and your sad and contemptible efforts at self aggrandizement draped in a chimera of self importance.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2547358#post2547358

 

[eeyore1954]

I find it hilarious you jref types think the wings on AA77 wouldnt have been completely broken off at impact and been laying on the Pentagon lawn.
Its incredible seemingly intelligent people would think otherwise.

The fact that someone who said that also thinks

Turbofan...i would say you have pretty much owned this debate, lock stock and barrel.

Should give you a hint of how you are doing.

 

[twinstead]

I think all the first responders, emergency workers, DNA lab technicians, law enforcement officers, and investigators who were involved in cataloging the HUGE amount of physical evidence gathered at the Pentagon on 911 would be quite surprised to find out they aren't credible sources.

 

[pomeroo]

Turbofan...i would say you have pretty much owned this debate, lock stock and barrel.

I think it very credible you have stuck to facts in spite of childish attacks.

How's the supply-and-demand thing coming along, Child? Still nothing? Well, keep trying.

 

[pomeroo]

Wrong again, I cited by second the data in the FDR, and you failed to find it. Failure is the standard for 9/11 truth, you have exceeded the standard. I mean, 77 not hitting the Pentagon is not supported by anything. Please provide one example where your ideas support your conclusion.

This is it, you make a beachnut statement and are void of evidence to support your ideas. That beachnut statement makes your buddy a liar.

Cute, you can't tell me the exact altitude better than +-75 feet if you knew how to find it.

I explained explicitly the altitude, I can't help it if you do not understand PA and 2992.

The plane is too high for what? Sounds like you are making a leap of faith based on failed ideas generated by an 11.2 G error expert.

Where is the plane when it is 173 feet PA? Where is the plane?

I can give you a hint. 77 was far enough away from the Pentagon with 173 PA, to hit the Pentagon as witnesses saw! The only people making up false ideas about 77 are you and p4t.

Since you can't place 77 with any accuracy, anywhere, how can you say too high? Too high for what? Your fantasy?

Take you FDR facts and show me where 77 was when the PA was 173 feet. You can't do it!

The sad part of your fantasy, the FDR shows you the path with a degree or two of the final impact track (the path of damage that people saw 77 hit lamppost and impact the Pentagon on this heading)! You may want to understand the heading data is more accurate than the altitude data (sort of)! You may also want to independently confirm the junk p4t is spewing and spinning before you dig a hole so deep you will have to stop posting due to complete embarrassment when you learn more than the standard p4t poster and member. You and p4t have never explained why some aircraft experienced lost FDR information with similar FDRs to 77.

Gee, you have no idea where 77 was when you say it was too high, you are using p4t false information to base you conclusion, and forgot Rob's main purpose is not to make theories, but to sell DVDs. He can't make a living doing physics problems, so he sells DVDs with false information so you make up conclusions that are lies. Your conclusion is 77 did not hit the Pentagon. That is a lie you made up using false information from p4t.

The heading, why do I think the heading is a smoking gun that the FDR is on target for impact at the Pentagon (a done deal when you discover and the fact the FDR was found in the Pentagon, and contained the actual data for 24 hours of the plane Flight 77 had flown). When 77 was accelerating to 473 knots, the bank angles 77 experienced changed the heading only slightly! The last 20 seconds the heading does not change more than 2.9 degrees, and the last 10 seconds not more than 1.1 degrees. You are chasing the wrong data to show you what 77 did! You have also chosen to ignore witnesses who saw 77 hit the lampposts and the Pentagon, backed up with aircraft parts from 77 (all of them), and DNA from the passengers. How does someone ignore the real evidence and fall for manufactured ideas of p4t?


This is it? You say it is too high, no evidence where 77 is, but it is too high! Too high? No wonder you have to ignore the real evidence and every single witness you can't cherry pick or quote mine. Tell me how you can ignore the DNA again, and your proof to support your DNA ignorance policy? Ignore, is that the base word for ignorance?

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Turbofan, you have company! This guy is capable of ignoring facts and evidence to agree with your failed ideas. He lacks evidence to support his ideas and has used outright lies when he argues for his pet ideas that were proven false at first sight!. Sign him up, he is overqualified to be a member of p4t.

Beachnut, you write that "Roundhead" is capable of ignoring facts and evidence. He is "LastChild," and few humans are better at ignoring facts and evidence.

 

[bje]

I never would have figured this country could produce so many sheep, thank god for the shearers like turbofan and others who protect and maintain your marginally worthwhile carcasses..........................

Turbofan needed something to divert the attention from his woo. Thanks for stepping up to the plate, roundhead.

 

[bje]

Beachnut, you write that "Roundhead" is capable of ignoring facts and evidence. He is "LastChild," ...

Perhaps we should give credit to Truthers for practicing recycling so diligently. Except for the woo part, that is.

 

[Turbofan]

What a bunch of whiners. No proof hand waving fools.

Still no links to support your theories huh?

Here are some pics of the ASCE report. Notice which columns are damaged.
Have a look at the impact photos compared to the aftermath comparison.

Look at the entry overlay. The wing DID NOT smash through the wall as
some of you have misunderstood. It would certainly help if you studied the
pictures.

Read again: the wing DID NOT smash through the outer wall as shown in
this photo
http://www.kolumbus.fi/sy-k/pentagon/3v/DD2b.jpg

http://www.kolumbus.fi/sy-k/pentagon/p18.jpg

ASCE Report:
http://www.kolumbus.fi/sy-k/pentagon/osumakaavio.jpg

Column 18 is still there! 15-17 are partially damaged. See something
wrong?
http://www.kolumbus.fi/sy-k/pentagon/pl18-20.jpg

Entry hole and windows above are still intact! Wait, are you
going to tell me they're bullet proof and able to withstand an airplane
at 500 MPH too?

http://www.kolumbus.fi/sy-k/pentagon/tail.jpg

Let's not forget the near perfect punch out hole made by ... LANDING GEAR!
http://www.kolumbus.fi/sy-k/pentagon/hole.jpg

ASCE Report:
http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build03/PDF/b03017.pdf

 

[beachnut]

Slow speed crash. Some wing parts, look like wings.

High speed crash. Wing parts, don't look like wings!

The beginning and end of 9/11 truth's action packed evidence presentation. This is a no speed impact!

Another high speed impact, we can't find those wings that someone said should be there looking like wings? Both high speed impacts, where are those things that are wings?
(hint, the energy of impact destroyed the structure; ie E=1/2mvv; vv is velocity squared! Got math! )

There is a course you can take in aircraft accident investigation and learn how to understand things like the impact of Flight 77, 175, and 11 into buildings, and 93 into the ground. Physics is also recommended to gain the ability to use math to describe impacts.

Plus, with physics a 9/11 turther/p4t false information believer could calculate the kinetic energy 77 delivered to the Pentagon, and see how the kinetic energy of a high speed aircraft creates the damage a 1000 pound bomb would create. This is due to the fact, the energy of the impact is equal to the energy released in 1000 pounds of TNT! This is like rocket science, the truthers/p4t believers failed to gain the required knowledge and skills.

High speed impact.Flight 77 was going faster!

 

[Turbofan]

Wrong again, I cited by second the data in the FDR, and you failed to find it. Failure is the standard for 9/11 truth, you have exceeded the standard. I mean, 77 not hitting the Pentagon is not supported by anything. Please provide one example where your ideas support your conclusion.

Maybe I should draw a picture, because it's clear you don't understand English.

WHY is the animation altitude different than the data file?!

Cute, you can't tell me the exact altitude better than +-75 feet if you knew how to find it.

Are you forgetting RAD ALT accurate to within +/- 1 foot, or 2% ?

Yeah, that's what I thought! RAD ALT supports the corrected Pressure
Altitude from 1.5 DME (by the way, DME is accurate to within +/- 0.1 nautical miles).

I explained explicitly the altitude, I can't help it if you do not understand PA and 2992.

Like I said, you can't be a pilot...you cannot be a pilot...

Local pressure was not set in the animation descending through 18,000 feet!
When the local pressure is adjusted, the plane is actually several hundred feet
higher at that same point!

The animation is incorrect and misleading. The animation software pulls values
from the FDR file. How can they be different. PA is referenced from sea
level. Even if the wrong terrain was loaded, the PA wouldn't care!
You just don't get it.

The plane is too high for what? Sounds like you are making a leap of faith based on failed ideas generated by an 11.2 G error expert.

Again, you can't be a pilot. G has nothing to do with altitude. PA is confirmed
by RAD ALT. Have a nice day

By the way, there is nothing in the g data to support rapid dives from measured
altitude to hit the light poles.

By the way, the plane is off track to even hit the light poles.

I'm pretty sure I mentioned that a few times, but it went over your head.

Where is the plane when it is 173 feet PA? Where is the plane?

1.5 DME from the airport beacon.

See, you should study the data a little more. You might learn something.


I can give you a hint. 77 was far enough away from the Pentagon with 173 PA, to hit the Pentagon as witnesses saw! The only people making up false ideas about 77 are you and p4t.

I'll give you a hint, a clue and data reference.

AA77 was 1.5 DME from the beacon, and too close to the Pentagon to dive
down from the corrected altitude of 393 feet! Ever more absurd is the plane
hitting the light poles from that altitude!

Figure it out for yourself boys and girls. Call up some real flight schools and
pilots


Take you FDR facts and show me where 77 was when the PA was 173 feet. You can't do it!

Watch here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8467167311585730947&hl=en

Even giving you the benefit of the doubt, and highest tolerances, it doesn't
work.


Keep yourself in denial Beachnut.