AA Flight 11 For Sale!

[JimBenArm]

Just a case of someone letting their hate cloud their judgement.

Don't you know if you're not posting lies about the Jews you're wasting the internet? That's why the KKK invented it, after all!

 

[A-Train]

This one seems to have slipped past most people. I must confess, A-Train, I'm curious. Tell me more.

Tell you more? But I haven't told you anything. I asked a simple question: how does one determine the ownership history of a given airplane? Who were the previous owners, if any, of the four planes used on 9/11? Is it possible to determine this information? By the way, I'd like to know the airlines that flew the planes, not the name of some holding company.

 

[Firestone]

Tell you more? But I haven't told you anything. I asked a simple question: how does one determine the ownership history of a given airplane? Who were the previous owners, if any, of the four planes used on 9/11? Is it possible to determine this information? By the way, I'd like to know the airlines that flew the planes, not the name of some holding company.

No, you didn't just "ask a simple question".
You tried to insinuate that the planes involved in the attacks were sold by EL AL to AA and UA.

As apathoid already posted, it is easily verified that this is utter nonsense (as usual with your claims and loaded "questions").

Here's the history of the four planes. Surprise, surprise! No El Al to see here.

 

[AMTMAN]

Tell you more? But I haven't told you anything. I asked a simple question: how does one determine the ownership history of a given airplane? Who were the previous owners, if any, of the four planes used on 9/11? Is it possible to determine this information? By the way, I'd like to know the airlines that flew the planes, not the name of some holding company.

You were not asking a simple question A-Train. Quite the opposite, you were hoping to find some connection between the aircraft used that day and the Jews. That way you could feed your hate. In spite of the fact that apathoid provided you with information showing the status of the El Al 757 and 767's you still are trying to find something. Why is that A-Train?

As you can see in the link provided by Firestone the aircraft were delivered directly to AA and UAL and were in their custody their entire service life. Airlines like AA and UAL typically do not buy aircraft second hand. Reason being they don't have to. They have deep enough pockets to buy direct from the manufacturer. Or at least they used to have deep pockets.

Anyway here's what an aircraft that has had multiple owners would look like on airfleets.

< http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-md80-53489.htm >

It was originally delivered to Reno Air in 1996. When AA bought Reno the aircraft was then integrated into AA's fleet. When the lease was up it was put into storage and eventually acquired by Lion Air.

 

[BenBurch]

AMTMAN? Why are people like this? I have been encountering antisemites all of my life and I don't understand it any more today than I did 40+ years ago when I first heard somebody spouting off about Jewish Bankers. Why do people allow these vile ideas into their heads?

Or is it all just "the banality of evil?"

 

[tomwaits]

AMTMAN? Why are people like this? I have been encountering antisemites all of my life and I don't understand it any more today than I did 40+ years ago when I first heard somebody spouting off about Jewish Bankers. Why do people allow these vile ideas into their heads?

Or is it all just "the banality of evil?"

Hmm...well I've theorized that it all comes from the "exclusive club" syndrome. That is, if there is an exclusive club that certain people belong to (especially successful people...like many jews) there are always people who think they are secretly out to get them. It's the reason why paranoid dictatorships outlaw things like freemasonry and the like. They are afraid that something secret is going on that will affect them negatively in some way. The Jews are a historical example. Somewhat of an exclusive club (can you truly be considered a jew unless you were born jewish?) seems to breed irrational hatred.

It's like what I've said before about Shriners. My grandpa is a Shriner, and all they do is get together, have silly meetings, and raise a lot of charity for their hospitals. But the meetings are secret! Therefore you can come up with a whole variety of bizarre speculations about what they do.

 

[tomwaits]

Naturally my curiosity peaked when I read this. Right away I knew someone was playing a very sick joke, exactly who I'm not sure.

Admit it....you were that guy.


But seriously, this is one of the funniest truther things I've seen since clunkety clunk. Well...that and SLC's summary of the no-plane argument:

The "No-Planers" are commonly considered by the "Plane-Huggers" to be disinfo operatives planted inside the movement by the government to discredit the "legitimate Truthers".

 

[AMTMAN]

AMTMAN? Why are people like this? I have been encountering antisemites all of my life and I don't understand it any more today than I did 40+ years ago when I first heard somebody spouting off about Jewish Bankers. Why do people allow these vile ideas into their heads?

Or is it all just "the banality of evil?"

It's a lie that has been repeated for so long now that certain people just accept it as fact. That's the only reason I can come up with.

 

[AMTMAN]

Speaking of that, let's change the subject to something much more interesting. How does one determine the ownership history of a given aircraft? I'd like to know how I can find out the histories of the four airplanes crashed on 9/11, including who owned them and what airlines flew them. Is that possible?

What makes it so interesting is that I have learned that El Al, Israel's national airline, sold several 767s and 757s in the months before the 9/11 attacks. Wouldn't it be quite a coincidence if these planes, sold by a nation that benefitted immensely from the attacks, ended up being used by the terrorists on 9/11?

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-11489747_ITM

British Airways sold off a bunch of 757's and 767's prior to 9-11. You might want to look into that.

 

[JimBenArm]

I heard Boeing sold a bunch of those, too. Might need to look into that. Sounds pretty ominous to me...

 

[apathoid]

British Airways sold off a bunch of 757's and 767's prior to 9-11. You might want to look into that.

I heard that they sold some to [drumroll]......Boeing. And where did AA and UA get their 757's???? That's right....Boeing. Coincedence? Better check it out A-Train. The Jooos might be behind this...

 

[AMTMAN]

I heard Boeing sold a bunch of those, too. Might need to look into that. Sounds pretty ominous to me...

Field McConnell, Captainsherlock, already blew the lid off that.

 

[AMTMAN]

I heard that they sold some to [drumroll]......Boeing. And where did AA and UA get their 757's???? That's right....Boeing. Coincedence? Better check it out A-Train. The Jooos might be behind this...

Three of the 767's were sold to US Air. So that means three 767's from Britain were were being flown by a US airline over the USA. Me thinks MI6 is behind something very sinister.

 

[A W Smith]

hey do any jooos work in management at Boeing? Better get on the story ATrain a conspiracy is waiting. I hear they sold those four planes to American Airlines and United Airlines

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Here you go Sherlock.

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/El Al-active-b767.htm
http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/El Al-history-b757.htm

El Al never sold any of their 767s, and didn't sell any 757's to either UA or AA.

Wow! I never would've guessed that there's an airliner equivalent to Carfax.com. Figured that someone who's curious would have to build the chain of ownership manually from Boeing to each airline who's owned a given jet.

Anyway, cool link. Thanks for posting it!

 

[Firestone]

hey do any jooos work in management at Boeing? Better get on the story ATrain a conspiracy is waiting. I hear they sold those four planes to American Airlines and United Airlines

I think I found the perfect suspect!

Silverstein ... was ... a Research Scientist at the Boeing Company. Dr. Silverstein was awarded the Alexander C. Williams Award of the Human Factors Society in 1983 for his work on the advanced cockpit color CRT display systems for the Boeing 757/767 aircraft and the Honeywell Corporate Technical Achievement Award in 1989 for the development of visual simulation methods for color liquid crystal displays.