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T.A.M. said:
What a *********** idiot.

TAM:)
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Typical 911 truth movement mentality; pure stupidity, topped off with insanity.

Next someone will bring up Heiwa's delusional work about 10 percent... oops, bs posts more moronic delusions.
 
bill smith said:
'm sure that's all very very interesting and the Readers can read it if they want. But I am appealing to people's personal experience and intuition here. To what they know in their bones. And I believe that they know in their bones that one tenth of an object will never crush nine tenths of the same structure down flat on the ground by gravity alone as we saw on 9/11.
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The problem is that you appear to (or pretend to?) have the experience and intuition of a young child, where very little of the actual inner-workings of reality seem to square with your observations. Most of us grow out of these delusions (e.g., The Earth appears to be flat, ergo it is flat, The Sun appears to revolve around the Earth, ergo it does revolve around the Earth), but for reasons that probably aren't all your fault, you haven't. I remember as a kid submerging an overturned cup into water and being amazed that the water didn't flood into the empty space, as my "intuition" told me it should. The difference is, unlike you, even then I was objective and dispassionate enough to realize that if my intuition and presuppositions didn't square with my observations and tests (primitive though they were) then chances are, I probably needed to rethink my presuppositions. You, on the other hand perversely hold on to your childish presuppositions like grim death. It's ironic because the cris de coeur of every Truther are "Nothing is as it seems!" and "Trust no one!". You, though for some reason believe that if it seems to you that something can't happen, then you can safely trust yourself that you are correct in your belief. Before you question the beliefs and motivations of others, you must first question your own beliefs and motivations.

You can maybe convince a few Readers by here and now describing a documented event in the entire recorded history of this planet where one-tenth of any object, large or small has crushed the other nine-tenths of the same structure by gravity alone. For instance the collapse of the spagetti model will arrest almost immediately. It's intuitive you see ?
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By your reasoning one domino can't initiate the collapse of 10 or 100 or 1,000,000 dominoes. Even most children "intuitively" grasp the concepts of action/reaction (Newton's third law) as well as the concept that it's always easier to knock a structure down than it was to build it in the first place (The second saw of thermodynamics).

I realize I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said countless times in this thread, but it (sadly) bears repeating.
 
JohnG said:
The problem is that you appear to (or pretend to?) have the experience and intuition of a young child, where very little of the actual inner-workings of reality seem to square with your observations. Most of us grow out of these delusions (e.g., The Earth appears to be flat, ergo it is flat, The Sun appears to revolve around the Earth, ergo it does revolve around the Earth), but for reasons that probably aren't all your fault, you haven't. I remember as a kid submerging an overturned cup into water and being amazed that the water didn't flood into the empty space, as my "intuition" told me it should. The difference is, unlike you, even then I was objective and dispassionate enough to realize that if my intuition and presuppositions didn't square with my observations and tests (primitive though they were) then chances are, I probably needed to rethink my presuppositions. You, on the other hand perversely hold on to your childish presuppositions like grim death. It's ironic because the cris de coeur of every Truther are "Nothing is as it seems!" and "Trust no one!". You, though for some reason believe that if it seems to you that something can't happen, then you can safely trust yourself that you are correct in your belief. Before you question the beliefs and motivations of others, you must first question your own beliefs and motivations.




By your reasoning one domino can't initiate the collapse of 10 or 100 or 1,000,000 dominoes. Even most children "intuitively" grasp the concepts of action/reaction (Newton's third law) as well as the concept that it's always easier to knock a structure down than it was to build it in the first place (The second saw of thermodynamics).

I realize I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said countless times in this thread, but it (sadly) bears repeating.
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One more time can't hurt John.

I guess the readers do not mind you comparing a cascade of freestanding dominos falling over in the horizontal plane to the vertical ollapse of a 110-story skyscraper.

But I hope I am wrong about that.
 
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bill smith said:
Do you have any more amusing examples tri ? You can choose examples from the last 4,500 million years
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Bill, please explain the importance of an event happening for the first time or happened before? Because I know you are not that stupid to be claiming when something happens for the first time it means it could not have happened since it never happened before. Right?
 
bill smith said:
One more time can't hurt John.

I guess the readers do not mind you comparing a cascade of freestanding dominos falling over in the horizontal plane to the vertical ollapse of a 110-story skyscraper.

But I hope I am wrong about that.
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Where I think you are going wrong in regards to your inability to accept how the structural failure of 10% of a skyscraper can result in the failure of the remaining 90% can be summed up in the following example which again uses the domino analogy:

A person tries to determine how much energy is required for one domino to topple nine other dominoes. He first figures out the minimum amount of force required to knock over a single domino. In other words, just enough force to unbalance the domino and let gravity take over. Then he multiplies that result times nine. When he looks at the results he concludes that a single domino can not exert sufficient force knock over the other nine. Pleased with himself at this groundbreaking discovery, he tests his theory by lining up 10 dominoes and gently knocking the first one over. To his bemused consternation, all 10 dominoes fall over, one after the other in less than a second.

Can you spot where he made his false assumption?
 
bill smith said:
Here's another model

'' Take 240 long spaghetti sticks to act as as the perimeter columns with an aditional 47 x 6-stick bundles to represent the stronger core columns spaced in a rectangle to cover about 60% of the centre of the structure. Then you have 110 x compressed glue and superfine sugar floors made to scale with holes drilled to correspond to the column locations. Then each floor is carefully slid down over he spaghetti columns and glued into position corresponding to the 110 floors of the WTC Towers. Allow to dry. Then anchor the column bases in a solid surface. Allow to dry.

Finally, lift up the top (and lightest) 10% (C) of the model and drop it say 12'' onto the lower 90% (A).

Will the top 10% (C) crush the lower 90% (A) right down flat on the ground ?

That is what happened at the WTC on 9/11 for the first time on the recorded history of the Planet Earth and not only once but twice in an hour.
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bill smith said:
One more time can't hurt John.

I guess the readers do not mind you comparing a cascade of freestanding dominos falling over in the horizontal plane to the vertical ollapse of a 110-story skyscraper.

But I hope I am wrong about that.
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Intellectual hypocrite.
 
bill smith said:
Do you have any more amusing examples tri ? You can choose examples from the last 4,500 million years
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That is not an actual number there Bill.
Now, admit that I have shown what you asked for, or shift those goalposts some more. Stop trying to avoid the subject.
 
bill smith said:
If 10% of an item can crush the lower and stronger 90% of the same structure by gravity alone then you will surely be able to show the readers other examples of this happening. Choose any example from the recorded history of this planet
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Howe many times do we have to tell you and idiots like Gage that ten percent of the buiolding only needed to cruch one percent of the building to initiate collapse, then picked up another one percent of the weight which then crushed the next one percent and so on all the way to the bottom.

Don't try to tell me that idiot boy's cardboard boxes in any way resemble the towers. The walls of the boxes are homogeneous objects. The perimeter columns of the towers were bolted segments held upright by the floor slabs, which were successively over-loaded and broken.

Derrrrr....
 
Hey Bill, when you get a chance, I'd like to see you explain why spaghetti is ok but dominoes are not.
 
leftysergeant said:
Howe many times do we have to tell you and idiots like Gage that ten percent of the buiolding only needed to cruch one percent of the building to initiate collapse, then picked up another one percent of the weight which then crushed the next one percent and so on all the way to the bottom.

Don't try to tell me that idiot boy's cardboard boxes in any way resemble the towers. The walls of the boxes are homogeneous objects. The perimeter columns of the towers were bolted segments held upright by the floor slabs, which were successively over-loaded and broken.

Derrrrr....
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Hey there Sarge. Nah you have it all wrong.. this is the way to look at it.

.when the top 13 floors fall onto the bottom 97 floors - is that a block of 13 floors dropping on an assembly of 97 single floors or is it an assembly of 13 single floors dropping on an assembly of 97 single floors ? '

So one floor meets one floor at a time and with equal force according to Newton's famous and inviolable Law Each time the 13 floors reduce by one. Soon there are none. But there are still more than 80 floors of WTC1 left.

But in the real world we all know what should happen without the explosives/incendiaries....collapse arrest.
 
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bill smith said:
Do you have a copy for me ? Jeez what kind of debunkers are you ? Normally you are falling over yourselves to show it.
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Why should I care? It's not relevant to your argument, and serves only as a dodge on your part.
 
Why should I do your work for you? It's your argument, do it yourself. Google isn't that hard.
 
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