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A Thermite/Thermate Question

GodisEnergy said:
... the sulpur residue is confirmation of thermate.Temperatures above 1000degrees. ...

The 'paint' chips argument i find redicoulous ,the paint chips explode,explosive paint was used ok,So now is it debunked because its paint?
When a laser was aimed at it exploded to such a degree that this paint company should be in prison for causing the towers to collapse.

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As for Sideways cutting ,please i dont know the exact method of how they could cut down the steel.Its not realeased and wont be released for at least 20 years.
I theorized sideway cutting tools could be used followed by rdx.to destroy the tool.
I also theorized rdx could be used with combination of thermite paint to propell it into the steel.
Some sort of jet could be created by burning thermite to cut through steel.
There are many possiblilities.
The fact is how many layers of this stuff could be sprayed onto steel?Many i presume.

Perhaps even by not cutting the steel but a simultaneous weakening of the steel by reducing the steel by an inch for example may cause structural failure.

The fact is this ''Thermite paint'' has been found, it is explosive.

The metorite --- im not parroting jones claims,it was the claim of the engineer who examined the meteor, it does have concrete infused with steel he said.

Sunstealer i did pass chemistry.I got An A ,i didnt turn up to any classes because i found it easy,
and i changed my degree to something more profitable.

Im not arguing with you over eutetic mixtures and so forth,Im agreeing with what your proposing im just disagreeing over what caused high temperature and the sulphidization part.which i beleive is more evidence of themrate,
Were comparing here high temperatures to thermite which explains the massive corrosion because where did all the iron go with all those gaping holes.couldnt have been done by your theory but a High Speed Corrosion capable of Water like viscosity. Aka thermate?

looks like that molten iron sample was flowing,you can see the flowing river marks.Probally the Sample was cut from a larger stream.
But why else would it be there Someone Kept it As a PET ROCK right :)
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Thermite reactions are over in seconds, not months of flowing molten metal. How insane does the idea have to be for you to fall for it?

It is call fire! Fire destroys the strength of steel. You must of missed that while you feel for the stupid thermite idea of Jones, who made it up 4 years after 9/11. Jones does not like something, so he made up thermite as a CT that the administration is doing! Instead of voting Jones is telling lies. Instead of protesting the war, Jones makes up lies about 9/11.

You have fallen for lies, you will wake up from this fantasy and be upset you supported insane ideas of 9/11 truth; thermite.

Fire is enough, and much more ENERGY than thermite, which was never set in the WTC! How did your fantasy fuse the thermite.

BTW, RDX goes BANG! No RDX was used! No BANG!.

Your entire post is fantasy...
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Join reality soon and stop pushing the lie of Jones!

Please use your vast chemistry knowledge (since you got an A) to show the energy in an office fires vs. the energy in a thermite reaction. Can you do that in joules? How do you get the thermite to cut in the horizontal? How much is needed and who planted it? Who was if fused? Tell us your big smoking gun story. 19 terrorist did it with zero thermite, just walked up and did it. They even flew jets for the first time! They crashed. Your thermite ideas have crashed too. You can't understand what 19 terrorist did. Why do you apologize for terrorist by making up lies and false ideas?
 
Sunstealer said:
I'm sorry but you are so wrong in everything (except the thinning of cross section). You just don't understand. You obviously have a severe reading disability that makes it impossible for you to understand plain English or indeed write English using proper sentences and without horrific misspellings. Get a browser that checks spelling as you type. Secondly a Chemistry genius who didn't need to go to any classes to get a degree at the highest level yet can't spell and mixes up chemical compounds even when shown their error looks suspicious.

Your ramblings prove that you have absolutely no clue as to what you are talking because you wouldn't use and mix up a number of terms nor use the sort of language to describe what you think is happening. It's obvious that you have not done any of the homework that I set you because otherwise you would actually have some clue. I can forgive ignorance in those that are prepared to learn, but wilful ignorance and a self assurance that you are correct when you haven't the first idea of what you are talking about is where I draw the line. You are worse than a layman, because you refuse to learn. You say you have shown the capacity to learn by gaining a degree yet you can't even get the basics right when shown what those basics are.

I gave you an opportunity to learn. I was prepared to take you through it like a baby, step by step and all you do is spout nonsense. I've actually shown this thread to a couple of colleagues and they haven't been able to stop laughing all day. You pick up on things I have mentioned such as the acidity of the corrosion product without understanding the context even though I was specific about the word "acidic" and it's use. You even start talking about viscosity "like water" when I expressly talked about corrosion products that are liquid not having low viscosities and behaving like water. You are are joke. You live in a fantasy world inside your own head which includes fantasy Chemistry.

Thermite would not cause an FeO-FeS eutectic to form. There is no sulphur residue! Learn the proper words please. You obviously do not understand the mechanism that is diffusion because if you did you would understand that time is a significant factor. If thermite was used and a complete through section of steel was melted then we would NOT see the corrosion products in the samples produced. We would see something different, we would not see an FeO-FeS eutectic. What we see is classic sulphidation and high temperature corrosion. Once more this is NOT my theory. I'm not making this up as an explanation, it is the explanation because the evidence for it is right there in black and white. You can see with your own eyes the photomicrographs of the steel sections. You can see with your own eyes the corrosion product, the liquation, the grain boundary attack, the eutectic, the spalling, the compositions. It's all there. Thermite would NOT produce such evidence.

If I had read that report and thought there was something wrong with their conclusion I would be screaming about it. I would not be here saying that they got it right, I would be providing evidence that the report is wrong. It wouldn't just be me, there would be hundreds if not thousands of metallurgists and materials engineers around the world saying that it's not correct and here are the reasons why. The photographs do not lie. Any metallurgist even one straight out of university would understand exactly what is going on, follow it and would notice something fishy. No one does. Why do you think that is?

If you think that there is something wrong then why don't you contact a number of metallurgists asking them to read the report and briefly comment upon it. There are lots of email address and contacts at a large range of universities and institutions. Write to them, link to the report and ask them.
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Didnt know i was taking an english Exam sorry :rolleyes: ..I have emailed people from these papers and other places like RJ LEE i havent had a response yet have you?
To all you people who dont beleive thermite can be used sideways i already showed you a link about the of any direction in Nuclear power plant controlled demolotions.For those who think there werent explosion sounds,i already placed a link explaining why in video you cannot hear them to well and even showing other videos with explosive sounds.

Here we go again , im supposed to beleive you guys the experts ,without bringing any peer reviewed scientific data to the table.
You cant back up any of your claims guys,you call this science.?

Where is your test for 1.3 diphenylpropane from an office fire.Has it ever been found before ?

How do you know what the Residue from Thermate,not thermite would be .
The molten iron runs off, what happens to the additional sulpur in the thermate ?


How do you know its Fly ash ,ive read your articles.2 problems i have.
The Size of Iron microspheres.Jones found up to 1.5mm .The largest i found on your sites 10u- and they were rare the smallest on most were 25u-.

Secondly Fly ash is 90percent aluminium silicates,so2 and other materials.10percent is hematite ,which im still trying to figure out if any of these spheres can contain K02 ,from othere spheres.It looks like perhaps aluminium can coat itself into the iron or glass can coat itself.
But no Fly ash Contains Copper.There was copper in jones spheres yours dont.
There was no MN either.You say its from steel but the steel would have to melt to form a sphere .Which is what im trying to prove.

Im sure RJ lee could enlighten us on the situation because why else would they say 'fly ash like' materials, instead of Fly ash materials.

If theres 200,000 tonnes of concrete at wtc.95percent concret 5%fly ash,of which 94% is silicates and 6 percent of which is iron spheres i get 600 tonnes of magnetic fly ash spheres.
Jones calculated 10,000 tonnes of iron spheres.


Iron slag was tested from the memorial of the wtc ,It shows the same thermite xeds spectra,You cant blame this one on Fly ash as well.


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GodisEnergy said:
... why in video you cannot hear them to well and even showing other videos with explosive sounds.

If theres 200,000 tonnes of concrete at wtc.95percent concret 5%fly ash,of which 94% is silicates and 6 percent of which is iron spheres i get 600 tonnes of magnetic fly ash spheres.
Jones calculated 10,000 tonnes of iron spheres.
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Jones made up thermite as the culprit at the WTC. He is a fraud. Why did he make it up? Does he have something wrong with his brain?

The video would have explosive sounds, you are wrong. Bad source.

So you have 10,000 tons of iron spheres? How much thermite does it take to make 10,000 tons of iron spheres? As I thought you have no clue.

By percent of weight, for each pound of thermite how much is iron spheres? Bet you can't answer this one super deity person.

I think you like Jones' fantasy ideas and lack the skill to see he is a fraud from the day in September 2005 he made up thermite as the prime mover on 9/11.

The only mystery on 9/11 is why did Jones make up thermite with no evidence in 2005, and how anti-intellectual does someone have to be to believe Jones' nonsense?
 
Yea he made it up... he imagined the spheres and drew the x-eds data, that picture of cut steel ,thats called photographic memory he saw it in his dreams.
 
GodisEnergy said:
Yea he made it up... he imagined the spheres and drew the x-eds data, that picture of cut steel ,thats called photographic memory he saw it in his dreams.
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Jones made up thermite for his vapor version of bringing down the WTC. Guess 19 terrorist are too simple of a solutions for an expert at Cold Fusion, and Christ walking in the new world. Why do you have zero evidence? Because your spheres are not from thermite. But if you wish to believe in lies and fantasy, continue on your evidence free quest. Believing in another persons lie is not the best thing to do for those who profess to be thinking for themselves. I wish you well on your pursuit of truth, while you detour through the anti-intellectual cesspool of 9/11 truth staring for you Jones insane thermite.

Just how is it fused now?
Or who planted it?
Or how much is required to make the tons of spheres you found? Or did Jones find tons of them?

If Jones had a coherent story to go with his thermite, what would it be? What is you story? You got the fake spheres, where is your fake story to go with your fake spheres?
 
Yes. GodisEnergy is EVERY bit as rigid and dogmatic as he accuses us of being.
 
How so ?
If being rigid and dogmatic in a scientific sense then yes.But i havent seen anything from you to change my very open mind
 
GodisEnergy said:
How so ?
If being rigid and dogmatic in a scientific sense then yes.But i havent seen anything from you to change my very open mind
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Yea. It just HAS to be because you haven't seen anything compelling enough to change your mind. LOL you don't have an open mind. You're an ideologue, every bit as much as the worst right wing redneck jingoist. Just the other side of the coin.
 
if i dont have an open mind i wouldnt be on this forum ,i would be all day long on alex jones website.
I just want to know the truth
 
If your talking about the photo of men peering down the hole ,with flashlights.

It turns out he got the photo from a newspaper article i think the bbc.Which enhanced the colours ,to make it look brighter for newspapers.

After finding out the photo was of flashlights he promptly removed it from his papers,yet Till this day
Is being Used as Propaganda purposed by debunkers
 
GodisEnergy said:
If your talking about the photo of men peering down the hole ,with flashlights.

It turns out he got the photo from a newspaper article i think the bbc.Which enhanced the colours ,to make it look brighter for newspapers.

After finding out the photo was of flashlights he promptly removed it from his papers,yet Till this day
Is being Used as Propaganda purposed by debunkers
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Enhanced colours do not mask the fact it cropped out a guy on the left.

It does not mask the fact the guy is standing in the supposedly molten metal

That one guy is using a shovel to dig out of the hole

That they do not have gloves on to counter the heat

That they have their sleeves rolled up despite the great heat

That one guy is peering so close into the hole that he would have been severly burned due to the excess heat

He is a fraud.

ETA - Did he not misrepresent the "mererorite" originally also?
 
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GodisEnergy said:
Perhaps even by not cutting the steel but a simultaneous weakening of the steel by reducing the steel by an inch for example may cause structural failure.

The fact is this ''Thermite paint'' has been found, it is explosive.
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Nominated
 
lee5 said:
Nominated
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hey godisenergy-

have you ever read this article in the new york times called:

Scarred Steel Holds Clues, And Remedies
By KENNETH CHANG

just pieces of the article. I cant link it yet since im a newbie!
One piece Dr. Astaneh-Asl saw was a charred horizontal I-beam from 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story skyscraper that collapsed from fire eight hours after the attacks. The beam, so named because its cross-section looks like a capital I, had clearly endured searing temperatures. Parts of the flat top of the I, once five-eighths of an inch thick, had vaporized.

Less clear was whether the beam had been charred after the collapse, as it lay in the pile of burning rubble, or whether it had been engulfed in the fire that led to the building's collapse, which would provide a more telling clue.

The answer lay in the beam's twisted shape. As weight pushed down, the center portion had buckled outward.

''This tells me it buckled while it was attached to the column,'' not as it fell, Dr. Astaneh-Asl said, adding, ''It had burned first, then buckled.''

''I want to know which ones buckled and which ones did not,'' he said. ''That will lead you to the sequence of events. I can tell you exactly what happened there.''
For now, however, his impromptu inspections have ended. The trucks now take a different route, and there has been some concern whether there would be another chance before the steel is destroyed.

i especially like this part of the article:

But because the steel provides no clues to the criminal investigation, New York City started sending it to recyclers.

Didnt Bloomberg say something to the extent that why save the steel when we can figure out what happened with computers!!!
 
Senenmut said:
hey godisenergy-

have you ever read this article in the new york times called:

Scarred Steel Holds Clues, And Remedies
By KENNETH CHANG

just pieces of the article. I cant link it yet since im a newbie!
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I got it covered

Article

And welcome to the forum! :)
 
Thermite paint. I LOVE it! Kind of puts all that old lead paint people are trying to clean up in old buildings into perspective, doesn't it? Forget about lead, we've got to clean up all the old thermite paint in buildings.

Who's going to lead the charge?
 
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