A Suggestion about "A Unique Person"...

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Sundog said:


Is that a threat, little boy?

People like you are why I am now firmly in lurk mode. Back to it.
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Come on Sundog,

You and I had a good relationship. I respect your opinion. I'm just voicing the frustration I feel towards those who share your sentiments as I'm sure you were expressing yours.

A lot of things that are said on this forum upset me. I strongly disagree with you and others concerning the war and America's actions in the world. But I try not to take them too personally. We are what we are, human. Our egos and worldview find it difficult to understand why the opposition takes a hard stance against our position.

I am not your enemy. I am willing to listen to your logical arguments and will change my mind when I think that you have made a compelling argument. I should point out that I have changed my mind on this forum and have admitted when I was wrong or when I thought someone with an opposing view made a valid argument.

"We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must no break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield, and patriot grave, to every living heart and hearthstone, all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature." --Abraham Lincoln.

Some of us who disagree with you like to see you post. I hope you don't lurk too long. We need you.

RandFan.
 
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renata said:



Sundog ( wish you would post, BTW- it is good to hear opposing point of you eloquently and intelligently expressed)

Randfan has been posting under his son's account recently, so I think it is Randfan, not his boy.

As to AUP- - his style reminds me of the people who say something inflammatory and then say- Of course I do not mean XYZ, but you draw your own conclusions. Kind of like- blacks commit so many crimes and are so poor! Of course I do not mean they are inferior violent and stupid, but you draw your own conclusions.
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I don't think that saying that blacks are poorer and commit more crime means I ams saying they are inferior and stupid. Their own leaders know that they have major problems with violence and crime.

As to your analogy, the heat does get turned up a little high here from time to time, on all sides. Sometimes I do not state my arguments clearly, such as people thinking I tried to equate the Holocaust with the Protocols. If I think I have been offensive, I think I have acknowledged that.

However, it is worth pointing out, that anit-arabic sentiments are quite OK, and cause no indignation, IIRC.
 
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a_unique_person said:


I don't think that saying that blacks are poorer and commit more crime means I ams saying they are inferior and stupid. Their own leaders know that they have major problems with violence and crime.

As to your analogy, the heat does get turned up a little high here from time to time, on all sides. Sometimes I do not state my arguments clearly, such as people thinking I tried to equate the Holocaust with the Protocols. If I think I have been offensive, I think I have acknowledged that.

However, it is worth pointing out, that anit-arabic sentiments are quite OK, and cause no indignation, IIRC.
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I will be the first to acknowledge that there are plenty of idiots on both sides of the issue- in real world and on this forum. I object to some of the ridiculous characterizations on the right as much as I do to the ones on the left. You will note that in my Conversation thread I did not tolerate that kind of behaviour from either side.
 
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Sundog said:




People like you are why I am now firmly in lurk mode. Back to it.
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Sundog we haven't interacted in this forum at all but I have interacted A LOT with Unique.

From the one hand I enjoy very much his subtle sense of humour that I know that exists and most people here fail to see, from the other hand, I find amazing in a bad way,the fact that Unique doesn't seem to know with whom he discusses everytime.

I don't know if he feels hurt by ther forum and behaves likes this but he doesn't hesitate to hit people below the belt and some people might deserve this but other people don't.

I enjoy very much discussing with people with different opinions and my endless dialogues with Unique and others like Capel Dodger, proove it. That's why I would never start a thread like this one but I understand how Skeptic felt and did it. In Criminal Law sometimes the murderer is the innocent and the victim is the real guilty part...

During the last months I have taken up learning karate and while I was discussing with a friend who practices for years,instead of giving me an advice he told me a story of a woman who fought dirty and got herself badly injured...

It's not wise to "hit below the belt" because you never know how much able is the other one to lift his foot and kick you straight on the face...
 
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Cleopatra said:



I enjoy very much discussing with people with different opinions and my endless dialogues with Unique and others like Capel Dodger, proove it. That's why I would never start a thread like this one but I understand how Skeptic felt and did it. In Criminal Law sometimes the murderer is the innocent and the victim is the real guilty part...
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Skeptic hit me first.
 
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Cleopatra said:


From the one hand I enjoy very much his subtle sense of humour that I know that exists and most people here fail to see, from the other hand, I find amazing in a bad way,the fact that Unique doesn't seem to know with whom he discusses everytime.
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Just as long as you don't say what Diezel said to me once

LOL. Oh, you were serious.
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a_unique_person said:


Skeptic hit me first.
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And believe me that in a virtual court he would go to "jail" for this but in the hearts of people you would be the guilty.

Would you like this?

And BTW I don't know what Diezel or God himself, have told you once and hurt you so much.

Come on Unique we are not 15 years old kids to get engaged in such conversations ...
 
Not wanting to turn this into a Australia vs. US argument, I hesitate to add fuel to the fire by supporting AUP.

I've not seen any excessive slagging in his posts, and indeed often pay more attention to his pro's and con's of Australian politics. His criticisms, far from inflammatory, actually reflect actual arguments held outside of any 'conspiracy' minority. I agree with many of them, and in fact, fear that Australia is heading down the same road in many ways.

As for jealous, all I can say is - pull your head in! The standard of living in America, like the UK when I was there, is high, but hardly of a level that I would migrate there for. Healthcare, education, transport, price-of-living etc. are better here - why would anybody be jealous?

Attack the arguments if you're so against them, Skeptic.

Again, I'm not anti-US. But this is a forum where we can dare to look critically at the world around us. And the US is hardly beyond reproach.

Athon
 
I agree with many of them, and in fact, fear that Australia is heading down the same road in many ways.
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And I would suggest that a cultural divide exists which makes it very difficult for those living in the US to understand why "we're becoming like America" is a comment made in an almost exclusively negative manner by Australians.

It's a pity that the attitudes of so many Australians towards the US have been shaped by Hollywood and the US fast food corporations, because I've met so many Americans through the internet over the last few years that I've become extremely aware that most of them are like your average Australian - living in an average city or large town, working an average job, and just doing the best they can to survive.

Like us, they're more concerned about how the decisions made by their state and federal governments are going to impact on them on a daily basis than they are about the longterm ramifications of their nation's foreign policy - which is something which those of us who are worried about the changes to Medicare and the higher education system should be fully able to appreciate.
 
AUP makes interesting well thought out arguments on many topics that I often enjoy reading. I can't think of any one who I disagree with more often that makes his points as well as AUP and I for one I am glad he's around.

Of course, in his mind he is always absolutely correct and I do not recall even the slightest withdrawal from any position. This is mildly annoying at times, but without that he wouldn't be AUP, so keep going guy, you might be wrong (not of course when you agree with me) but at least your wrong opinions are well written and well thought out.
 
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Cleopatra said:



And believe me that in a virtual court he would go to "jail" for this but in the hearts of people you would be the guilty.

Would you like this?

And BTW I don't know what Diezel or God himself, have told you once and hurt you so much.

Come on Unique we are not 15 years old kids to get engaged in such conversations ...
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Sorry, Cleopatra, but I was making another one of my jokes, at my own expense this time.
 
It's a curious logic that those of us who are critical of US policy must be so because we are envious of the US. I guess it reduces that problematic cognitive dissonance.

Another curious argument I met in another forum was that non-US citizens had no right to criticise the US government because that was reserved for the US citizens who voted (or not as the case may be) the particular government in; and by extension criticism of the US government is also criticism of US citizens. But I digress.

Anyway, I have no problem with threads which are simply annoying; if there's points to be examined I do so; if I simply don't like the thread or the thread starter, I simply pass it over and move on to the next one.
 
It's a curious logic that those of us who are critical of US policy must be so because we are envious of the US.

I'd say it would be a false premise. But, the thread starter made no such claim. What you've created here is a straw-man.

The thread is about AUP's constant need to turn almost every thread into something "anti-american". Not just anti-USA policy, but anti-american which includes the people and the culture. AUP is demonstrating more than a critique of the USA policy, but more of a nationalistic american-hate attitude. This is what the thread starter has claimed. I don't know if it's true.

I am very critical about USA policy, especially with this war with Iraq. I actually view the Iraq war as being unjustified and wrong. I don't like our current president, or most of his policies. But I do love my country, it's people and it's culture.

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Isn't there a difference between critics like Danish Dynamite, mpb and others vs. AUP?

Danish Dynamite often is a critic of the US, but usually does it in a balanced and fair manner.

AUP on the other hand turns EVERYTHING into a horrible sin by America and Israel.

Heck, he even turned a fun Fawlty Towers thread into an attack on American cultural institutions.

I mean give it a break...

I don't believe the jealous thing, but there is something strange about someone spending hours on here and constantly being critical.
 
This thread was reported to me with a request that it be moved to flame wars. Having read it, I think that while it has elements of flame in it, it also has some interesting points about opinion, disagreement, and such. Therefore, I am inclined to leave it where it is. Does that seem like the right call to you folks?
 
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This thread was reported to me with a request that it be moved to flame wars. Having read it, I think that while it has elements of flame in it, it also has some interesting points about opinion, disagreement, and such. Therefore, I am inclined to leave it where it is. Does that seem like the right call to you folks?
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This thread was meant to be (100%, it seems to me) a criticism of AUP. It definitely doesn't belong in Politics and Current Events, in my opinion.

I would move it.
 
I agree with Hal. The thread should stay right where it is.....I don't see a "war" here, I see an intelligent discussion.
 
I agree with aerocontrols.

In fact I am amazed at myself for not reporting it too. I wouldn't want to see this forum turning into Banter.
 
Cleopatra said:
I agree with aerocontrols.

In fact I am amazed at myself for not reporting it too. I wouldn't want to see this forum turning into Banter.
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Well, I am the one who reported it, but I now agree with Hal. There are interesting points here about the nature of discussion which are quite apart from the dissection of AUP. So I have withdrawn the request. Imagine that! A flame thread that actually grows in stature! ;)
 
Mike B. said:
Isn't there a difference between critics like Danish Dynamite, mpb and others vs. AUP?

Danish Dynamite often is a critic of the US, but usually does it in a balanced and fair manner.

AUP on the other hand turns EVERYTHING into a horrible sin by America and Israel.

Heck, he even turned a fun Fawlty Towers thread into an attack on American cultural institutions.

I mean give it a break...

I don't believe the jealous thing, but there is something strange about someone spending hours on here and constantly being critical.
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I don't recall that. I seem to recall it was an attack on free enterprise vs. state television. I happen to be a fan of NPR.
 
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