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Split Thread A second impeachment

turingtest said:
ETA- please, please, let Trump make a serious run in 2024. I could run as a Democrat and beat a Republican party split between the mulish folks wearing Trump blinders and "RINOs."
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It certainly sounds good... republicans pick a divisive candidate and democrats benefit.

But, there are risks to that... what if Biden's popularity plummets at the end of his first term (maybe a big recession hits, or some other pandemic takes hold)? What if republican voter suppression becomes even more successful? Then, even a weakened and divided republican party (with Trump as the lead) might still win.
 
Segnosaur said:
If Moscow Mitch actually thought that, then he is an idiot.

Trump has never shown any sort of loyalty or gratitude to anyone, and he is unlikely to change his ways. Trump will not have listened to McConnell's speech and say "I dodged a bullet there thanks thanks to McConnell... I should keep out of the spotlight". In fact, just the opposite... he is likely to feel even more emboldened, with the knowledge that he holds enough power to bend the majority of Republican congress-critters to his will. And Moscow Mitch might be a potential target... because despite the fact that he helped enable Trump's terrorism, he also said something that was not completely flattering.
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Quite true. My point was only that Mitch was sending Trump a warning. Of course, Trump is notoriously bad at listening at the best of times. Trump doesn't do "code". So this warning will almost definitely not have even been heard let alone heeded.


Which of course would be completely irrelevant. Politicians are generally forbidden from interfering in criminal prosecutions, and as a politician in the minority party, he'd have even less influence.

So Moscow Mitch couldn't stop Trump from being prosecuted even if he wanted to.
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Again, true. My point was exactly that. Mitch WANTS T**** prosecuted. He wants T**** dead and buried, figuratively if not literally. T**** has been a giant spanner in Mitch's machinations. But he can't be SEEN to be the driver of the legal prosecution, for his own political stake.

So what he sent Trump was a classic threat: Nice little scam you got going there, Don. But it would be a shame if you took it onto my turf...again.
 
Segnosaur said:
It certainly sounds good... republicans pick a divisive candidate and democrats benefit.

But, there are risks to that... what if Biden's popularity plummets at the end of his first term (maybe a big recession hits, or some other pandemic takes hold)? What if republican voter suppression becomes even more successful? Then, even a weakened and divided republican party (with Trump as the lead) might still win.
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The obvious solution is to change the political landscape very soon. Change the game entirely.

For example, changing federal redistribution laws for states to more equitably draw up electoral boundaries (stop gerrymandering).

Also, revising federal electoral laws to impose a consistent, equitable, robust set of election processes across all states.

In other words, force those who would "win" only by easily cheating the system to play by the rules so they have to win on their merits instead.
 
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Bubba said:
The truth actually is that you have swallowed lots and lots of lies (lies by omission).
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Come on, Bubba. you swallowed the biggest, saltiest lie of all in the form of QAnon's cartoonish fantasy world. And you assured us that you'd openly admit that you were wrong when none of that infantile claptrap proved true. So were you lying about that, or have you rolled your track-mounted "just you wait and see" goalpost back to March 5th?
 
Mumbles said:
Is Moscow Mitch really that smart?

Ok, I think its pretty much a given that McConnell is smarter than Trump. But, that's a pretty low bar to set. And yes, he managed to wreck havoc on congress, got Drunky McRapeface and the Stepford Wife on the supreme court, and got his tax cuts for millionaires passed.
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That's pretty much what he wanted to begin with.
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McConnell wanted right wing judges, and he got them. But now that the republicans are out of power, they won't be getting any more for at least 4 years, maybe more.

And while he wanted right-wing judges, I suspect he didn't care which right wing judges were picked. Had he been smart, perhaps he might have decided to reject Drunky McRapeface... Trump would have picked someone just as right-wing as a replacement, but likely without the baggage. And perhaps fewer moderates or democrats would be as fired up to vote against the republicans as a result.

And yes, they got their millionaire tax cuts, but those are unlikely to last much longer now that the democrats have taken control.
The problem is that he's in an untenable position in the long-term. The GOP base has been fed on conspiracy nonsense
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Toupee Fiasco just cut through all that and spewed unvarnished white nationalism, starting with birtherism back in 2011. And now the base isn't really satisfied with anything less. McConnell's trying to persuade the folks that thought the GOP was really about "small government" or "good business", but there's just no way to hide the "we hate ******* and queers" faction.
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I have no doubt that republican voter ignorance/bigotry/etc. would be difficult if not impossible to deal with in the long term.

But, at the very least he could have done more in the short term... get more legislation passed when they had both congress and the white house, do more to try to hold on to the senate for at least another term to at least have some control over tax legislation and judicial nominees.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Re: Trump involved in 2024 election/republicans lose as a result...
But, there are risks to that... what if Biden's popularity plummets at the end of his first term (maybe a big recession hits, or some other pandemic takes hold)? What if republican voter suppression becomes even more successful? Then, even a weakened and divided republican party (with Trump as the lead) might still win.
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The obvious solution is to change the political landscape very soon. Change the game entirely.

For example, changing federal redistribution laws for states to more equitably draw up electoral boundaries (stop gerrymandering).

Also, revising federal electoral laws to impose a consistent, equitable, robust set of election processes across all states.
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I agree that those should be done.

The problem is, the constitution gives a lot of power to the states in determining how their elections get run. And even if the federal government tried to set guidelines and rules (as they did with the voting rights act), there is a good chance that the supreme court would rule it unconstitutional.
 
Mumbles said:
That's pretty much what he wanted to begin with. The problem is that he's in an untenable position in the long-term. The GOP base has been fed on conspiracy nonsense (how long ago was the Clinton murder list, or the War on Christmas?) and hatred of the other (Bogative's avatar is a classic example of racism via the Jezebel stereotype - pure slave rape apologism carried up to the current year- and folks like Limbaugh and D'Souza have trafficked in similar junk for decades, never mind Reagan's anti-gay hatred that allowed the HIV pandemic to flourish while he smiled about it), while the elites work to funnel more money to themselves.

Toupee Fiasco just cut through all that and spewed unvarnished white nationalism, starting with birtherism back in 2011. And now the base isn't really satisfied with anything less. McConnell's trying to persuade the folks that thought the GOP was really about "small government" or "good business", but there's just no way to hide the "we hate ******* and queers" faction. But really, this all set up before Moscow Mitch rose to leadership - again, this was set in the Goldwater-Reagan era, and solidified at most a decade ago.

ETA: Gingrich's scorched earth strategy had it's own role to play, of course, but the overall descent to neo-fascism and conspiracy theory wasn't him.
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One of the things that gets me is that it seems McConnell was once a supporter of Martin Luther King, and an integrationist at a time when this was not the popular position. I'm sure he would still be offended to be called a racist. And yet.... I've long maintained that most Republicans would support Satan if he promised right-wing judges, and I think McConnell's sick cynicism drives that home.
 
Bogative said:
Trump 2024
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I can see it now: a 78 year old, morbidly obese Trump shuffling out from the wings toward the podium, under a banner reading "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, AGAIN", continues shuffling past the podium toward the opposite wing, where he is eventually turned back toward the podium by visibly agitated running-mate Marjorie Taylor Greene. When he finally arrives at the microphone, he stares around the house in confusion for an uncomfortably long time, then points wildly into the crowd and cries, "Oh God! It's Putin! I'll get your money, Vlad! Oh God! Don't have me thrown out a window, please!". Then he craps his pants.
 
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Norman Alexander said:
Re: McConnell's speech as a 'warning' to Trump...
If Moscow Mitch actually thought that, then he is an idiot.

Trump has never shown any sort of loyalty or gratitude to anyone, and he is unlikely to change his ways.
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Quite true. My point was only that Mitch was sending Trump a warning.
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Again, true. My point was exactly that. Mitch WANTS T**** prosecuted. He wants T**** dead and buried, figuratively if not literally. T**** has been a giant spanner in Mitch's machinations. But he can't be SEEN to be the driver of the legal prosecution, for his own political stake.

So what he sent Trump was a classic threat: Nice little scam you got going there, Don. But it would be a shame if you took it onto my turf...again.
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But what threat? Moscow mitch has no power, no authority. Trump can do all he wants and all McConnell can do is go along with it, while at the same time making empty statements.

If Trump does end up prosecuted, it won't be because McConnell asked for it, or because he had a hand in bringing charges. It will be because independent prosecutors decided to act.
 
Foster Zygote said:
I can see it now: a 78 year old, morbidly obese Trump shuffling out from the wings toward the podium, under a banner reading "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, AGAIN", continues shuffling past the podium toward the opposite wing, where he is eventually turned back toward the podium by visibly agitated running-mate Marjorie Taylor Greene. When he finally arrives at the microphone, he stares around the house in confusion for an uncomfortably long time, then points wildly into the crowd and cries, "Oh God! It's Putin! I'll get your money, Vlad! Oh God! Don't have me thrown out a window, please!". Then he craps his pants.
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The Senate ***** their pants out of solidarity. **** for Trump goes viral.
 
Norman Alexander said:
The obvious solution is to change the political landscape very soon. Change the game entirely.

For example, changing federal redistribution laws for states to more equitably draw up electoral boundaries (stop gerrymandering).

Also, revising federal electoral laws to impose a consistent, equitable, robust set of election processes across all states.

In other words, force those who would "win" only by easily cheating the system to play by the rules so they have to win on their merits instead.
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How well does H.R.1 - For the People Act of 2021 meet what you desire?
 
The Trump Supporters here are no better then the mindless iditos in Germany who felt "The Fuehrur Can Do No Wrong!'.
Make no mistake, a dictaroship is what they want.
And the only regreat they have about the insurrection is that if failed.
But given that they also thought that Biden would never take office Ithink their gifts of prophecy are limited.
 
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Segnosaur said:
But what threat? Moscow mitch has no power, no authority. Trump can do all he wants and all McConnell can do is go along with it, while at the same time making empty statements.

If Trump does end up prosecuted, it won't be because McConnell asked for it, or because he had a hand in bringing charges. It will be because independent prosecutors decided to act.
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Again, true. It's the threat that McConnell is making that I'm seeing. It's a warning, a fist-shake to T**** and his notions of running again.

McConnell knows that if Trump does continue to hurl his feces in public and some erstwhile Republican voters follow him down that path to crazy-town, Mitch may as well retire now while he still (relatively) has some pull in Congress. Because the Republican Party as history knows it will become a Nazi rabble with Mitch in the useless Wiemar rump.

Personally, I'm seeing all this as just a feeble gesture from a cowardly geriatric Tammany Hall operator towards a drive-by lunatic gangster heading for a cliff.
 
SezMe said:
It wasn't my letter, it was Eddie's but I do agree that staff sent the photocopy reply, threw Eddie's letter away and went out for happy hour(s).
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Correct. My mistake. I will force myself to have two glasses of wine in penance tonight. :p
 
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