Split Thread A second impeachment

[Stacyhs]

That is how EVERY Senator does it. Simply no time for them to read every letter that comes in. You need staff to filter out the non essential stuff, and only pass on the important. Sorry, but that is just the way it is..and probably has to be given the volumne of mail a Senator receives.
I suspect it's similiar in the House.

Yes, I do realize that.

 

[Stacyhs]

Trump has been acquitted. His base is now motivated and solidified with a passion like never before. There will be no Republican party split, there will be primaries for RINOs.

You really don't see the problem with your statement above with your statement below, do you?

Now that it's over, can we focus less on President Trump and move on to healing the Nation now? Remember "unity"? From the outside looking in, it looks like the promise of "unity" is an empty one.

I hope I'm wrong, but the seething hatred is difficult to ignore.

Yes, it is very difficult to ignore. Especially when we see it playing out live on our TVs:

 

[Stacyhs]

**** all that.

There definitely will be an upcoming battle in the GOP.

Not supporting the Insurrectionist in Chief doesn't make Romney or Sasse or Toomey or Richard Burr RINOS.

And the Republicans are not interested in healing, they are merely interested in not being accountable.

Amen to that. Only Democrats must be held accountable. Then it's a 'matter of principle'. When Republicans do something wrong, it's harassment or a witch hunt.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Except Trump has no intent of shutting the **** up.. Trump is already out there gloating about the acquittal. He will be out there soon talking about going after the GOP Congressman and Senators that voted against him.

Since President Obama broke the precedent of staying away from political criticism of a sitting President, I would expect we will be seeing quite a bit of Trump after his acquittal. After all fair is fair.

The news orgs should love it. They lost many viewers after constant Trump coverage went away. I'm sure they have reporters and cameras camped out daily waiting for Trump to provide a story or sound bite they can make heard around the World.

A few remarks after he was acquitted:

"This has been yet another phase of the greatest witch hunt in the history of our Country," Trump claimed. "No president has ever gone through anything like it, and it continues because our opponents cannot forget the almost 75 million people, the highest number ever for a sitting president, who voted for us just a few short months ago."

"I also want to convey my gratitude to the millions of decent, hardworking, law-abiding, God-and-Country loving citizens who have bravely supported these important principles in these very difficult and challenging times," he said. "Our historic, patriotic and beautiful movement to Make America Great Again has only just begun. In the months ahead I have much to share with you, and I look forward to continuing our incredible journey together to achieve American greatness for all of our people. There has never been anything like it!"

President Donald Trump

 

[Stacyhs]

Pelosi in a press conference post McConnell's speech made a very clear point that they were ready to go a week before Jan 20th and McConnell refused. So for him to claim it was too late after he purposefully made it too late was just bull ****.

She also said McConnell waffled on saying Trump should be tried criminally.

Jamie Raskin: "We could have have [500] witnesses and it wouldn't have made a difference. We proved the facts of the case. ... McConnell said so..."
The Democratic press conference. Hit 'play' to start it.

Exactly. Which is why I got pissed off by this statement this morning:

Never underestimate the ability of Democrats to wimp out when the chips are down.

It wouldn't have made any difference at all.

 

[smartcooky]

Seven of the ten Republicans in the House who voted for impeachment are in swing districts. Go ahead and primary them. A Trumptrash candidate won't carry any of those seven. Majorities are made on the margins.

Boom! This! An increasing majority of the American electorate have no stomach for another four years of Trump and another January 6 - that is why many usual R voters voted for Biden, to get Trumpf the **** out of there.

If Trump sycophants try to primary those Reps and succeed, they will install an unelectable candidate - and the Dems will flip those states (See Georgia for an example)

Trump is just about a spent force politically - he's yesterdays burger wrapper!

Trump has a national approval rating in the low 30s and he lost 20 percent of Republicans and criminal trials haven't even started yet. The two voting tech company lawsuits are just starting too.

There is a clause in the 14th Amendment which allows the Senate to disqualify a person from ever holding office if they "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion" - it only requires a simple majority to pass, and a supermajority to reverse. If Merrick Garland goes after him for January 6 (and McConnel as just handed him a 20 minute long gold-plated opportunity to do so), then he could face prosecution for what he has just been acquitted of (and double jeopardy does not apply).

 

[Craig4]

Since President Obama broke the precedent of staying away from political criticism of a sitting President, I would expect we will be seeing quite a bit of Trump after his acquittal. After all fair is fair.

The news orgs should love it. They lost many viewers after constant Trump coverage went away. I'm sure they have reporters and cameras camped out daily waiting for Trump to provide a story or sound bite they can make heard around the World.

A few remarks after he was acquitted:

"This has been yet another phase of the greatest witch hunt in the history of our Country," Trump claimed. "No president has ever gone through anything like it, and it continues because our opponents cannot forget the almost 75 million people, the highest number ever for a sitting president, who voted for us just a few short months ago."

"I also want to convey my gratitude to the millions of decent, hardworking, law-abiding, God-and-Country loving citizens who have bravely supported these important principles in these very difficult and challenging times," he said. "Our historic, patriotic and beautiful movement to Make America Great Again has only just begun. In the months ahead I have much to share with you, and I look forward to continuing our incredible journey together to achieve American greatness for all of our people. There has never been anything like it!"

President Donald Trump

That's nice. The stupid **** has a few more trials to go.

 

[Stacyhs]

Since President Obama broke the precedent of staying away from political criticism of a sitting President, I would expect we will be seeing quite a bit of Trump after his acquittal. After all fair is fair.

What the hell has Obama go to do with it? Trump can't stay away from the limelight because he's a freaking narcissist who is addicted to attention like a two bit, open sore faced, rotten toothed hooker is addicted to meth.

The news orgs should love it. They lost many viewers after constant Trump coverage went away. I'm sure they have reporters and cameras camped out daily waiting for Trump to provide a story or sound bite they can make heard around the World.

The only network that's lost coverage is FOX because they stopped licking his ass quite as much so he started attacking them like he does everyone who dares step out of line. Loyalty only goes one way with him.

A few remarks after he was acquitted:

"This has been yet another phase of the greatest witch hunt in the history of our Country," Trump claimed. "No president has ever gone through anything like it, and it continues because our opponents cannot forget the almost 75 million people, the highest number ever for a sitting president, who voted for us just a few short months ago."

Oh poor, poor Donald. Ever the victim. Nothing is ever his fault! It must just kill him that 81 million voted his sorry ass out. The highest ever for a sitting president.

"I also want to convey my gratitude to the millions of decent, hardworking, law-abiding, God-and-Country loving citizens who have bravely supported these important principles in these very difficult and challenging times," he said. "Our historic, patriotic and beautiful movement to Make America Great Again has only just begun. In the months ahead I have much to share with you, and I look forward to continuing our incredible journey together to achieve American greatness for all of our people. There has never been anything like it!"

President Donald Trump

So continue to send me more of your money, you gullible fools, so I can hold more rallies to feed the bottomless pit that is my ego and pay off my campaign debts (cuz that's where the small print says almost all of it goes!).

Former President and Permanent Grifter Donald J Trump

 

[PhantomWolf]

I'm all for healing the country. We just need to unequivocally remove the cancer to begin.

The problem is that one side sees the hate for Blacks, Hispanics, LBTQI+ People, and anyone that isn't a Christian, as being the cancer that needs to be excised. The other sees the Blacks, Hispanics, LBTQI+ People, and anyone that isn't a Christian, as being that cancer.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Trump has been acquitted. His base is now motivated and solidified with a passion like never before. There will be no Republican party split, there will be primaries for RINOs.

Now that it's over, can we focus less on President Trump and move on to healing the Nation now? Remember "unity"? From the outside looking in, it looks like the promise of "unity" is an empty one. I hope I'm wrong, but the seething hatred is difficult to ignore.

Yeah, you're right that seething anger is hard to ignore, especially when it's walking down the street shouting "Blood and Soil" and "Jews will not replace us" or smashing its way into the Capitol Building chanting "Hang Mike Pence!" Oh, wait, it seems that it is totally possible to ignore that.

 

[Craig4]

The problem is that one side sees the hate for Blacks, Hispanics, LBTQI+ People, and anyone that isn't a Christian, as being the cancer that needs to be excised. The other sees the Blacks, Hispanics, LBTQI+ People, and anyone that isn't a Christian, as being that cancer.

With Trump at 32ish percent approval ratings going into both his civil and criminal trials, I don't see this as a problem. There's a broad coalition against Trump. The American side has plenty of unity. There's no need to seek out unity with the Trump supporters.

 

[Delvo]

It's pretty clear much of the nation is happy with the unity we have. Democrats, anti-Trump independents and never Trump Republicans seem to be getting along just fine. We have all the unity we need, among Americans. The pro Trump-anti-America crowd can go sit in the corner and have all unity it wants with itself. We don't need their kind.

Biden won several states by only around one or two dozen thousand votes, putting him barely over forty thousand votes in four states away from losing. Both houses of Congress combined were only about fifty thousand votes from going Republican. That puts us under a hundred thousand votes from a Republican triple-win at the Federal level, and Democrats did have a net loss of seats overall (to the party that then proceeded to openly make itself the official party of terrorism). And I just came here from another thread where some mindless anti-left Bidenista drone was still obsessively spewing his/her absurd primary-campaign lies about progressive members of Biden's own party supposedly supporting Trump. And our new Democrat President has been known to furiously rant & rave at the suggestion that he do anything that most of the voters (either for his own party or even throughout the country over all including both parties) actually want, and is dedicated to bringing back the same Obama-like conditions that resulted in Trump in the first place.

The only way we're getting any "unity" any time soon is by a special definition that's been agreed upon by politicians of both parties in Washington, but nobody else anywhere else: Democrats doing what Republicans want.

 

[Craig4]

Biden won several states by only around one or two dozen thousand votes, putting him barely over forty thousand votes in four states away from losing. Both houses of Congress combined were only about fifty thousand votes from going Republican. That puts us under a hundred thousand votes from a Republican triple-win at the Federal level, and Democrats did have a net loss of seats overall (to the party that then proceeded to openly make itself the official party of terrorism). And I just came here from another thread where some mindless anti-left Bidenista drone was still obsessively spewing his/her absurd primary-campaign lies about progressive members of Biden's own party supposedly supporting Trump. And our new Democrat President has been known to furiously rant & rave at the suggestion that he do anything that most of the voters (either for his own party or even throughout the country over all including both parties) actually want, and is dedicated to bringing back the same Obama-like conditions that resulted in Trump in the first place.

The only way we're getting any "unity" any time soon is by a special definition that's been agreed upon by politicians of both parties in Washington, but nobody else anywhere else: Democrats doing what Republicans want.

That was when Trump was in the mid 40s and before January 6th. Trump is now in the low 30s and facing criminal prosecution. Biden is in the low 60s. Apples and oranges.

 

[Mumbles]

Since President Obama broke the precedent of staying away from political criticism of a sitting President, I would expect we will be seeing quite a bit of Trump after his acquittal. After all fair is fair.

This whole "Obama's to blame for the the racist grifting narcissist" thing is a part of the problem. A lot of this was an easily predicted reaction to the first black president being elected - the voter suppression, the cheerleading for murderous cops and vigilantes, and so on. The real surprise is that the GOP found one of the worst presidents in US history, and certainly the worst in the past...150 years or so to dump their racial fears and anxieties into.

Truth is, Toupee Fiasco could easily reinstitute this supposedly broken tradition any time he wants. The fact that he doesn't isn't because Obama joined the many people who noted that he's entirely unfit to so much as manage a Foot Locker or the dinner shift at a McDonald's, it's because he's desperate for attention and adoration from his cultish followers.

"This has been yet another phase of the greatest witch hunt in the history of our Country," Trump claimed. "No president has ever gone through anything like it, and it continues because our opponents cannot forget the almost 75 million people, the highest number ever for a sitting president, who voted for us just a few short months ago."

He's right, we can't, much like a rabid wolf in a playground. Doesn't mean we should actually respect them as political actors, though.

"I also want to convey my gratitude to the millions of decent, hardworking, law-abiding, God-and-Country loving citizens who have bravely supported these important principles in these very difficult and challenging times," he said. "Our historic, patriotic and beautiful movement to Make America Great Again has only just begun. In the months ahead I have much to share with you, and I look forward to continuing our incredible journey together to achieve American greatness for all of our people. There has never been anything like it!"

Y'know, I wonder if any venue is going to bother with him in the near-term. He attracts violent nutcases, and also refuses to pay up for police services, vendors, and the like.

 

[llwyd]

With Trump at 32ish percent approval ratings going into both his civil and criminal trials, I don't see this as a problem. There's a broad coalition against Trump. The American side has plenty of unity. There's no need to seek out unity with the Trump supporters.

That's a very good point. The only way that this call for unity is meaningful is that it is a call for unity for the defence of liberal democracy, of the concept of truth as something not contingent on power and force, that is, for the defence of reason.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Of course a British Prime Minister can be impeached. As can a Norwegian one, and every other elected politician in Norway.

But they can also be arrested by the police, charged with crimes and prosecuted.

My point is, so what if Trump had been impeached? What consequences would it have? A black mark in his book? He couldn't run for president again? Oh no, how terrible.

You Americans have a seriously terrible sense of justice, if that is the fate you want on someone who did what Trump did.

In any civilized country, with proper seperation of power and an independent judicial branch, he would have been behind bars. European heads of the executive branch have gone to prison for far less than what Trump did.

Okay, there's a lot to unpack here.

A) you've falsely attributed a quote to me.

B) I'm not American.

C) Yes, Trump wouldn't be able to run for office again. Yes, that would be a good thing.

D) Failure to convict sends out a clear signal that Trump's behaviour was okay, and enables future presidents to act in the same way.

E) Conviction in the senate wouldn't preclude criminal prosecution, and it's odd that you seem to think it would.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

And that means owning Trump's pasty orange ass so Trump does no more damage to Turtle's political and financial ambitions. Turtle wants to retire as stinking rich as he can. He's already made a couple of hundred millions while being in the senate. And he doesn't want any mobster huckster like Trump ruining his game of fortune-hunting. So this is Turtle telling Trump his time is done and to GTFO or he will release the DOJ on him. Does that make Turtle a "good guy" after all? Nope, it's just a power-play between rival gangsters.

People here wonder where McConnell's sense of shame went in all this. Prior history shows he has absolutely no shame whatever. Not an iota, not a skerrick. He is as grifting and self-obsessed with his own advancement as Trump is, just MUCH better at it.

You can say what you want about McConnell, but he's not stupid. In order for what you say to be true he'd have to believe he could control Trump, that he could control the DOJ, and he could trust Trump to keep his word in 3 years' time. And in order to believe those things he'd have to be stupid.

 

[bluesjnr]

Well, as everyone knows Conservatives are the victims in all of this don't you know.

I mean come on, forcing them to treat Blacks as equals who have the same rights as them, can eat in the same restaurants, go to the same schools, swim in the same pools, and get equal treatment under the law is being racist against whites!

Refusing to allow them to use the state to force their version of religion onto everyone else is a violation of their 1st Amendment Rights and Religious Freedom.

Allowing transgendered people to use the bathroom of their aligned gender so that it is safer for them and so that anyone can just walk into the other genders' bathrooms and wander about naked, peering over the stalls, and generally attacking women and children.

Letting Gays and Lesbians out of the closet allowing them to spread their agenda and turn innocent children and Republicans gay.

Allowing same-sex marriage so as to denigrate and make all other forms of marriage worthless, meaning that heterosexuals will no longer have the sanctity of marriage all to themselves.

Allowing a doctor and a woman to determine if pregnancy may be hazardous to her physical, or mental health, in the same way as any other medical decision, which is totally a form of murder most foul and the akin and shooting newborns (which of cause also happens, probably so the Democrats can eat them.)

By saying that people who show that they are a danger to society should not have access to weaponry, and noting that no one actually needs a 100 round magazine filled with Steel-Jacketed 5.56×45mm and a military-styled AE-15 rifle for home defence in an apartment complex in the middle of Wichita is an attack on their 2nd Amendment Rights which is wanting to take all their guns away.

By the not allowing them to instigate Voter IDs which allows only IDs that whites predominantly hold, all while disallowing any ID that blacks predominantly hold. Thus allowing some claimed massive voter fraud by illegals, which they have never been able to show, but never-the-less is totally disenfranchising them and their voting rights.

By allowing refugees into the country to escape the violence and horrors of their home countries (often such horrors and violence that were caused by US policies in the first place) is totally an attack on them personally and the flooding of their country with dangerous people that might move in next door and lower their house prices by their mere presence.

By trying to stop the Earth's climate from warming to the point where some parts of the world will become uninhabitable deserts, are washed away under the encroaching oceans, or where current food bowl will become desolate dust bowls because it is all a hoax designed to take away all their jobs and to destroy their businesses and reduce them to a third world standard of living.

By forcing them to wear a mask during a pandemic to prevent a fake virus (aren't all viruses fake, I'm sure I saw that in YouTube, or perhaps OAN) in an attempt to harm them by reducing their Oxygen levels and increasing their Carbon Dioxide levels all in an attempt to stop them from being able to talk and take away their freedoms.

And most of all, by cancelling them but having private companies ban them and thus violate their First Amendment Right to spout off all the above stuff in the most hateful way possible, all while violating the platform's terms of service. I mean, they are white Conservatives, that means that they are above simply things that other lesser mortals have to do, like following the law and the ToS of internet platforms.

I tell you, it's the war on Christmas, trying to cancel all Conservatives and it's treating them worse than the Nazi's did to the Jews.

The only way to stop having their privileges been stripped and being forced to live with the same level of Rights as all of those inferior minorities, is to fight like hell and storm the Capital building while shouting about how it's a revolution and that they have come to hang the vice-president and anyone else that opposes the President's attempted coup.

Because you know, they are the victims in all of this.

As a Ukian I'm interested in your use of "Conservative".

Being entirely serious, is it your contention that having conservative views in the US removes any political nuance?

I understand that Trump caused a lot of damage to the GOP and conservatives in general, but reading your, let's face it, polemic, it insists that all "Conservatives" are.

1. Racist
2. Homophobic
3. Transphobic
4. Fundamentalists
5. 2nd amendment Proud Boys
6. Anti-immigration
7. Anti-abortionist
8. Climate Change Deniers
9. Covid 19 hoax proponents
10. Anti free speech
11. Cancel culture whores

I think I got 'em all.

Your position seems a little extreme to me and one borne from anger. How accurate do you believe it to be? Would you claim that it's representative of the general leftist position?

 

[Vixen]

Great quote:

"Everyone likes a Houdini act. Trump’s performance is the political equivalent of going over Niagara Falls in a barrel weighted down by redundant Fox News anchors."
GUARDIAN

 

[Vixen]

Time to arm up, folks. I think a second civil war is a matter of time now that it has been estalbsihed that a president is above the law, and the militant right has been emboldened.

If we look at history, the last time there was a similar event, would be Abraham Lincoln and Civil War followed within a couple of months.


"History repeats itself. The first time is a tragedy, the second a farce." ~ Hegel, 1770 -1831