Split Thread A second impeachment

[Craig4]

I love the WAPO but the angst on some their forums is getting to be pretty bad.
Lots of 'If Trump is acquitted it is the end of Amerrican Democracy, we are deomed, and there is nothing we can do about it:.
I can understand being upset,but a lot of these posts seem to me more like Teen Age Angst on steroids; .
I expect total despair from a teenager going through their angst stage, but expect people to grow up a little.

I think it's important to look at and frame impeachment as the first of a thousand paper cuts. The Georgia criminal case is already starting. The DC Attorney General has active investigations. There are several in New York. The Washington DC USA hasn't finished what they are doing.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Move that all those abstaining leave the Senate chamber before the vote is taken.

And pass it with a simple majority, how clever.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

I guess this means we’ll not be getting any witnesses?

I still think that’s a mistake.

 

[Minoosh]

I guess this means we’ll not be getting any witnesses?

I still think that’s a mistake.

Is there the option of rebuttal witnesses?

 

[Minoosh]

BLM and other progressive and left leaning organizations very wisely advised their supporters to stay away from DC on Jan. 6th. No doubt Trump's team will still try to tie the violence to agent provocateurs, but at least they can't blame a counter protest for inciting the mob.

Why would they be tied to any kind of reality? They could invent a counter protest out of whole cloth to support their narrative.

 

[Minoosh]

And pass it with a simple majority, how clever.

I think the idea is that there would be a 2/3 majority of those present for the vote.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I think the idea is that there would be a 2/3 majority of those present for the vote.

I can see why you read my post that way but it's not what I meant. I meant pass the rule to kick non-voters out could pass with a simple majority.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I guess this means we’ll not be getting any witnesses?

I still think that’s a mistake.

Now that they have presented the case I think witnesses weren't necessary. It would only drag things out and people (as in the country) might get tired of watching. If the GOP is dead set on letting Trump off the hook witnesses wouldn't matter anyway.

The Senate needs to get back to regular business. They made their case, the country except for Trump sycophants can see Trump is guilty and dangerous.

And guilty or not, Trump is going to keep going around the country holding his ego stimulating rallies. He's also going to live off campaign donations and stiffing people regardless.

 

[acbytesla]

I love the WAPO but the angst on some their forums is getting to be pretty bad.
Lots of 'If Trump is acquitted it is the end of Amerrican Democracy, we are deomed, and there is nothing we can do about it:.
I can understand being upset,but a lot of these posts seem to me more like Teen Age Angst on steroids; .
I expect total despair from a teenager going through their angst stage, but expect people to grow up a little.

I get the angst. It is overstated. The point really of the impeachment was

1. To make a mockery of Trump

or

2. to make it hurt for Republicans to ignore the evidence despite their desire to. It provides a backdrop to 2022 election commercials

Sadly, his acquittal will also likely to embolden Trump.

 

[jimbob]

I will call off the hounds.

If they're like the one in your avatar, it would be "not the comfy chair ".

I 've meant to ask... is that your dog?

/end derail

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Now that they have presented the case I think witnesses weren't necessary.

Not even Raffensperger to testify as to why he felt threatened by Trump’s call?

Not even a few folks with Trump during the insurrection who could testify as to his state of mind?

Not even the Governors who wanted to send National Guard troops who were stymied or delayed?

Not even Mike Pence to ask his thoughts as to how he felt hearing the chants of “Hang Mike Pence”?

Not even a few of the injured officers?

None of which would likely sway enough Republicans. But I still don’t think they should have been the primary target - the American public and history should have been the main concern.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

The point really of the impeachment was

1. To make a mockery of Trump

or

2. to make it hurt for Republicans to ignore the evidence despite their desire to. It provides a backdrop to 2022 election commercials

I 100% agree with you. Conviction would be icing on the cake. The Democrats are laying the groundwork for the next decade. Pro-Trump Republican politicians will diminish in numbers, over time, and Democrats will be able the throw their current words and actions back at those individuals or at best, split the Republican party.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Sadly, his acquittal will also likely to embolden Trump.

I don't know.

However, Trump has retired to Mar a Lago, which is sort of evolving into a retiree resort. That and Trump's social media bans, suggest to me he will age quickly and go off in the head, ranting to only Mar a Lago's visitors.

"Members are quitting 'sad' Mar-a-Lago after Trump loses"
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/24/business/mar-a-lago-donald-trump-guests/index.html

 

[Minoosh]

I can see why you read my post that way but it's not what I meant. I meant pass the rule to kick non-voters out could pass with a simple majority.

Ah. I like it!

 

[dudalb]

I think some people have a vague superstition that if they accept the worst ahead of time, the worst won't happen. Or they predict complete disaster so that they can take solace in any small sign of hope, such as a few Republicans breaking the Dems' way so "at least the majority voted to convict."

They take a pessimistic view as a sort of insurance - "You can't disappoint me, I started out with no hope!"

Is it any worse than the constant prediction of a new civil war?

Or it's people who have in many way never really got out of a teen age way of thinking, where to be as pessimistic and distopian as possible is "cool and hip". I think we have couple of those who post here...

 

[EHocking]

CNN is reporting there are fifteen empty GOP seats during this session of the trial. Interesting. I guess they can't even be bothered to listen?

Why sit through evidence you are going to ignore.

They know which way they are going to vote.
Evidence is inconsequential to the party decision.

I’m surprised at the lack of a “Impeachment Decision” poll on the forum.

 

[dudalb]

Actually one of the main reasons for having the Nuremburg Trials was to document beyond reasonable doubt what happened. That was considered as least as important as the conviction of the Nazi war Criminals.
It iw eas just a case of hanging Goering and Company (and I know he managed to cheat the hangman with poison) there were other simpler, faster ways they could have done it..Military tribuanls for instance. But they though getting the evidence on record was hugely important.

 

[dudalb]

Why sit through evidence you are going to ignore.

They know which way they are going to vote.
Evidence is inconsequential to the party decision.

I’m surprised at the lack of a “Impeachment Decision” poll on the forum.

I think it's because acquittal by the Party of Cowards is pretty much a given.

 

[dudalb]

I get the angst. It is overstated. The point really of the impeachment was

1. To make a mockery of Trump

or

2. to make it hurt for Republicans to ignore the evidence despite their desire to. It provides a backdrop to 2022 election commercials

Sadly, his acquittal will also likely to embolden Trump.

Which might be good in the long run;any politicl advisor wold tell him to lie low for a while and let things calm down, but being out of the spotlight would b e a good thing, but Donnie is incapable of that.

 

[dudalb]

minor but fun note: Comic Book fans have gained a lot of respectablity by having an unahashed Batman fan preside over the trial.....