Split Thread A second impeachment

[Steve]

Venting much.

Yes. Yes I am.

Sitting on your ass whining about an internet forum vent rather than getting on the phone and demanding some answers from your government because this is just a big ol' nothing burger much? Yes. Yes you are.

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It seems many Americans cannot see the forest for the trees. Watching from outside of your borders there is no question that your political system is one vast **** up. Trump's main accomplishment is to reveal just how bad it is and, surprisingly, many of you even now think there is something retrievable. It will not be salvaged for many years, if ever.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

What Trump did is definitely not 'insurrection', his speech (widely produced as proof by some) cannot be used to claim that he intended to cause violence. The truth is rather that the massively 'progressive' infiltrated Democrats fear so much Trump that basically anything is useful to oust him. If Trump is cancelled using this 'progressive' patented method then anyone, no matter how rational, can be a victim in the future.

Massively progressive infiltrated?
Oh what demonic people we must be.


Anything is useful to oust him? Damn if that were true he could have been impeached once a week for the last 4 years.


Anyone can be a victim in the future? That is Trump's message today responding to news of his impeachment. It's how one diminishes a most serious charge, make it sound like it was a run of the mill act.

No, just no.

 

[alfaniner]

Ironic that the number of YEAs for Impeachment is the same as the number as The PDJT's Electoral votes? (232)

I have to admit I did a slow clap at the announcement of the result, but there was no joy in it.

 

[Pacal]

Trump is Impeached

232 Congressmen voted to Impeach Trump for a second time. Sadly 197 Republicans said nay. 5 Congressmen abstained.

I congratulate the 10 Republicans who voted for the Impeachment. Showing at least some real integrity.

What was very pathetic was the "arguments" put forth to excuse not voting for Impeachment. Whatever!!

 

[dudalb]

The Idiot freshman from Alabama, Barry Moore. who compared nasty tweets about Trump with the Storming of the Capitol has quite a interesting past:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Moore_(Alabama_politician)

In most states, those fraud accuastions would end a political career but not in Alabama.

 

[acbytesla]

Now 10 Republican Yeas.

As someone remarked, the most bipartisan presidential impeachment in US history.

Yeah, that's only because Nixon resigned before the articles of impeachment were sent to the floor

 

[AnonyMoose]

Oh i have been emailin my Representatives and Senators about this
Probme is you attitude is so full of despair and fashionalbe angst that is helps nobody but the Trumpites.

"Fashionable angst"? Well, isn't that precious... you think concern for what I'm witnessing is "fashionable angst".

There's a political party in your country that has no problem completely undermining the very fabric of your existence just so they don't have to admit out loud that they ****** up when they put this moron in charge. If that doesn't represent one of the most important issues that needs to be remedied immediately before it festers into an irreversible train wreck, then I don't know what does.

So long as the rest of the country continues to turn a blind eye to this screaming elephant in the room pretending that it'll just go away after Biden has taken office, you will have no one to blame but yourselves for the possible bloodshed that's coming down the pipeline from the radicalized right and left. They're itching for it and you're pretending it's all just a silly hyperbolic extravaganza that will die off on its own.

Are you really this short-sighted? Or are you just really this deep in denial?

 

[Crossbow]

Once again, the "very stable genius" known as President Trump manages to get himself into the history books.

I guess this yet another fine example of the "winning" that he promised to provide a few years ago.

 

[catsmate]

What Trump did is definitely not 'insurrection', his speech (widely produced as proof by some) cannot be used to claim that he intended to cause violence. The truth is rather that the massively 'progressive' infiltrated Democrats fear so much Trump that basically anything is useful to oust him. If Trump is cancelled using this 'progressive' patented method then anyone, no matter how rational, can be a victim in the future.

Bollocks. I see you've branched out from Holocaust denial and general Jewish conspiracy mongering to apologism for Trump's pathetic attempt to illegally hold on to power,
Trump lost, face reality.

 

[Paul2]

What was very pathetic was the "arguments" put forth to excuse not voting for Impeachment. Whatever!!

Even put in the best possible light, I can imagine that a politician might feel the need to tell lies because they think they have to reflect the will of their constituents, like a trial lawyer has to sing the praises and defend a murderous thug. But a politician doesn’t play the same role as a lawyer, and has to at times act on their conscience and not play the game.

Either way, there is no excuse for not voting for impeachment.

 

[Steve]

"Fashionable angst"? Well, isn't that precious... you think concern for what I'm witnessing is "fashionable angst".

There's a political party in your country that has no problem completely undermining the very fabric of your existence just so they don't have to admit out loud that they ****** up when they put this moron in charge. If that doesn't represent one of the most important issues that needs to be remedied immediately before it festers into an irreversible train wreck, then I don't know what does.

So long as the rest of the country continues to turn a blind eye to this screaming elephant in the room pretending that it'll just go away after Biden has taken office, you will have no one to blame but yourselves for the possible bloodshed that's coming down the pipeline from the radicalized right and left. They're itching for it and you're pretending it's all just a silly hyperbolic extravaganza that will die off on its own.

Are you really this short-sighted? Or are you just really this deep in denial?

Political parties are not the real problem. They don't actually believe most of what they say. They will change their positions to whatever is profitable at the time. The real long term problem is the many millions of violent racist morons who have crawled out of their holes due to Trump's encouragement and honestly believe the crap the politicians are feeding them. These true believers are going to be around causing serious problems for many years.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Bad people!

Not just any old bad, demonic.

 

[Minoosh]

My information is dated at best, but some time ago I heard someone in the political sphere rate the various means of contacting members of Congress in terms of impact. I forget the order of calls and emails, but old-fashioned snail mail was still the gold standard. A real letter was harder to put aside than a phone call or email and showed a greater commitment.

I don't think there's any chance either of my senators would vote to acquit, and this state's congressional delegation has a couple of members so odious and/or stupid that probably no message would get through to them.

I was half-listening to this in the gym and briefly thought there were going to be some changes of votes, or at least one, which I hoped would be more Republicans signing on. But for the most part I don't blame the Repubs for voting "nay." According to the CNN natterers a few of them made some pretty bad statements re: Trump but begged off due to timing or some such.

If Mitch wants to stick a fork in Trump I have every reason to believe he'd go along with a post-inauguration impeachment. Removal would be moot but he's probably as eager as anyone destroy Trump's political ambitions. Hard to believe Trump could get re-elected in four years' time but anything's possible.

 

[dudalb]

Massively progressive infiltrated?
Oh what demonic people we must be.


Anything is useful to oust him? Damn if that were true he could have been impeached once a week for the last 4 years.


Anyone can be a victim in the future? That is Trump's message today responding to news of his impeachment. It's how one diminishes a most serious charge, make it sound like it was a run of the mill act.

No, just no.

Hey, this is one of Metacristi's more rational posts...

 

[acbytesla]

My information is dated at best, but some time ago I heard someone in the political sphere rate the various means of contacting members of Congress in terms of impact. I forget the order of calls and emails, but old-fashioned snail mail was still the gold standard. A real letter was harder to put aside than a phone call or email and showed a greater commitment.

I don't think there's any chance either of my senators would vote to acquit, and this state's congressional delegation has a couple of members so odious and/or stupid that probably no message would get through to them.

I was half-listening to this in the gym and briefly thought there were going to be some changes of votes, or at least one, which I hoped would be more Republicans signing on. But for the most part I don't blame the Repubs for voting "nay." According to the CNN natterers a few of them made some pretty bad statements re: Trump but begged off due to timing or some such.

If Mitch wants to stick a fork in Trump I have every reason to believe he'd go along with a post-inauguration impeachment. Removal would be moot but he's probably as eager as anyone destroy Trump's political ambitions. Hard to believe Trump could get re-elected in four years' time but anything's possible.

I tend to agree. However that agreement is sobered by History. 9 years after Hitler engaged in the famous Munich putsch and convicted of Treason, he was elected and became Germany's leader.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Anyone else think that wasn't Trump?

His his defense lawyer building the case that Trump didn't mean to trigger an insurrection.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

And the style of the PR is so bland. Sure sign a hack wrote it.

On that note, the absence of the claim his speech was perfect is another tell.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

McConnell has said he wouldn't agree to reconvening early

He said he would vote to convict.

He knows Pelosi is too smart for that. She won't present the Articles to the Senate until the Democrats control it.

 

[Myriad]

If Mitch wants to stick a fork in Trump I have every reason to believe he'd go along with a post-inauguration impeachment. Removal would be moot but he's probably as eager as anyone destroy Trump's political ambitions. Hard to believe Trump could get re-elected in four years' time but anything's possible.

I don't see how the Republicans can stop Trump from winning the 2024 Republican primaries, if he decided to run, even though he couldn't win the election. Which makes him an enormous and lasting liability for the rest of the party. Convicting him and making him ineligible to hold office again would partly solve that problem. So I would think the party leaders would want that to happen.

He could still back someone else, either in the Republican primaries or as a third party, but there's no evidence he's capable of actually backing and promoting someone besides himself.

 

[slyjoe]

I don't see how the Republicans can stop Trump from winning the 2024 Republican primaries, if he decided to run, even though he couldn't win the election. Which makes him an enormous and lasting liability for the rest of the party. Convicting him and making him ineligible to hold office again would partly solve that problem. So I would think the party leaders would want that to happen.

He could still back someone else, either in the Republican primaries or as a third party, but there's no evidence he's capable of actually backing and promoting someone besides himself.

This is true. But in politics, four years is a long time. His mental faculties are not going to improve. He may run, but it could be quite embarrassing.