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A robot's God

There is a difference between us and your robot. The difference is in the way it is designed.
If we created a robot, we'd do so for a purpose. We would maximize it's efficiency at accomplishing that purpose. When it looked at it's programming and make-up and asked itself "why is it like this?" the only answer would be, "to maximize X".
Similarly we can look at our make-up and programming. If it maximizes anything, it is successful replication of our genes. There is no one who would design us with that purpose. But evolution explains it very well.
On the robot's case, however, it might find that it's design maximized it's abilitiy to mine some substance, refine it, and send it a port where it would be transported elsewhere. It could then easily infer that it was designed by whoever made use of the refined substance.

The robot also lacks something else that we have - context. The robot and it's "species" are alone. We fit into an amazingly varied web of life. When we look at the diversity of that life we see paterns - a nested hierarchy of relatedness. A simple example of that - all animals that have fur also produce milk and are warm-blooded, and have a similar structure of ear bones. Some of these animals fill niches that are very very similar to other animlas that aren't mammals (bats, for instance, fill a niche very similar to birds), but very different from other animals that are mammals (bats fill a niche very different from elephants for instance). The design inference gives us no explanation for this - common descent does. There is a similar form of evidence is the geographic distribution of species. And I haven't even brought up the molecular and fossil evidence.

So the robot has entirely different evidence available to him, and will make entirely different conclusions from it.

*snip*

Exactly! And herein lies the answer to the OP: Iamme, why do you think that science is assuming that we are the result of evolution, rather than creation? It is because the evidence, all evidence, points to this. Your hypothetic robot might examine the evidence available to it and conclude that it had evolved, but it would be wrong. Likewise, our conclusion might be wrong, but at present it is the result of our examination of the evidence.

Now, do feel free to add to our body of evidence whatever is needed to change that conclusion, but it needs to be real, solid evidence. Not hypothetical scenarios. Especially not scenarios that just demonstrate that wrong conclusions can exist, because we already knew that.

Hans
 
This point has been made in philosophy before. See Wikipedia's article on "philosophical zombie."

nooooo! We have had to deal with infestations of P-zombies before -- do you have any idea how hard it is to get rid of them?
 
Let me add, Iamme, that you have created a fairly weak god. The robots of your story have a creator who set them down in a situation and then got out of the way. The creator does not interfere with them. We cannot be detected but, if we can be inferred, we must stay very quiet and disturb nothing. Furthermore, our existence would have no effect on the decisions the robots must make to be effective in their little robot lives.

So, if all you want is for people to acknowledge that there is a possibility that our knowledge is incomplete and that we may possibly have been created by a god-like being, I think many would agree. However, if you want us to take the step of saying that we should study the god-thing, trust in it, not follow other avenues of inquiry, etc., I think that your hypothetical does not support this.
 
Good post Iamme. I posited a similar scenario on this forum 3 or 4 years ago. It is theoretically possible for humans to someday create new biological life forms created entirely from scratch by us. What if we populated a distant planet with these new life forms including one species that was sentient and the new life forms did not know that we existed. What could they infer?

They would see the fossil record, see that every species suddly appeared out of nowhere, and scientists would likely believe in a general intelligent design. Of course, there would still be political controversy over a group of religious extermists who insist that the fossil record clearly shows that the world was created by a frost giant suckling a giant space cow.
 
They would see the fossil record, see that every species suddly appeared out of nowhere, and scientists would likely believe in a general intelligent design. Of course, there would still be political controversy over a group of religious extermists who insist that the fossil record clearly shows that the world was created by a frost giant suckling a giant space cow.
Good post. :)
 
Does Iamme ever return to participate in the threads he creates?

Hans
 

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