A Racial Shakedown in Portland

[Thermal]

Seems like this is only getting traction in alternative news circles. Certainly not he bad exposure like many of the other "doing x while black" examples. Lady isn't getting blasted on primetime CNN.

Yahoo news and Newsweek ran it. But I think the penny is dropping for a lot of people. These tales of racist whites are not all they're cracked up to be. People are trying too damned hard to portray these stories as being illustrative examples. But they're not.

This one is of course an exception. It is reeeeaaaaalllly clear that there is overt racism going on. Just not by Crosswalk Cathy.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

Yes, the way the owner of the parked car and the angry twitter mob acted was terrible. But somehow I'm detecting an undercurrent of 'all those 'while black' threads are overreactions and not indicative of racism'.
I won't be applying for the MDC with my mind reading skills, but can anyone tell me if that's the message I'm supposed to get here?

They're not indicative of racism. Notice how all the black "victims" in these episodes are acting rude or obnoxious? BBQ Becky called the cops on a group of people starting a fire where it is expressly prohibited. It took three tries before they could find a Starbucks with a White manager who refused to let them into the restroom.

The message we're getting is that black people are uncivilized and unreasonably demanding of special treatment and that other groups should avoid any interaction with them until we can come up with some sort of a final solution to this problem.

 

[Thermal]

Day five of the Crosswalk Cathy thread and still barely half a page. Nice place to stop by for some quiet time.

Rereading the OP, are you questioning the blatancy of the double standard for racist language, rather than the #LWB angle? If so, agreed.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Day five of the Crosswalk Cathy thread and still barely half a page. Nice place to stop by for some quiet time.

Rereading the OP, are you questioning the blatancy of the double standard for racist language, rather than the #LWB angle? If so, agreed.

I'd question any article with Andy Ngo's name on it. You should, too. I haven't searched real hard, but I can't find any write-ups on this that don't stem from this original source. (He's the genius who misunderstood "alcohol free zones" in the UK to be political correctness gone mad for caving to the muslim minority.)

Further, just what is it you want from the thread? No one's jumping in and defending the idiots who done the parking misdeed. Their reaction certainly seems to be racist or race-baiting at minimum. The way you achieve forum immortality for these threads is to get the miscreants on one political side to jump in to defend their fellow travelers. Evidently the left on these forums isn't so tribal as some of our faux non-partisan members like to accuse them of.

 

[Thermal]

I'd question any article with Andy Ngo's name on it. You should, too. I haven't searched real hard, but I can't find any write-ups on this that don't stem from this original source. (He's the genius who misunderstood "alcohol free zones" in the UK to be political correctness gone mad for caving to the muslim minority.)

Fair enough. His name rang a bell with a negative connotation but I didn't look into it.

Further, just what is it you want from the thread? No one's jumping in and defending the idiots who done the parking misdeed. Their reaction certainly seems to be racist or race-baiting at minimum. The way you achieve forum immortality for these threads is to get the miscreants on one political side to jump in to defend their fellow travelers. Evidently the left on these forums isn't so tribal as some of our faux non-partisan members like to accuse them of.

See, they have been pretty much consistent. I was just cross-thread accused of being a racist recently by a poster who argues rather vehemently in favor of the #LWB narrative. Crosswalk Cathy here ticks all the boxes for a LWB story, so I am very curious about what the difference is here, from their POV. In any thread, pretty much the sole criteria for racism on the crackers' part has been lodging some sort of grievance on a black person. Nothing more by way of facts; the rest is assumed.

One of the reasons I joined an International Skeptics' Forum was to be able to discuss touchy subjects like this dispassionately, and with input from global perspectives. I would not have expected rampant tribal posturing based on the name.

Oh, and I'm not sure the absence of hyper-liberals is indicative of anything. The tribal drums are sure to be beat just as loudly if another story comes up that is sliiiiiiightly more ambiguous. I have no reason to think Tribal leaders have seen the light. They are just avoiding it.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Or maybe there are no tribal leaders on the left?

 

[Distracted1]

How an incident like this morphed into a "left" "right" issue is pretty interesting.
Do we know the politics of "crosswalk Cathy"?, or of the "Parkers"?

Does making this call preclude Cathy from being on the Left? Are the Parkers to be considered members of the Right because they wish to maintain a specifically defined quality of life in their own neighborhood?

 

[Brainster]

This is the problem with clickbait journalism; you need a steady supply of articles about some new "outrage" being committed.

I will say this: the fact that Crosswalk Cathy and Barbecue Becky are national news certainly indicates that racism is much less of a problem than it used to be.

 

[quadraginta]

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Oh, and I'm not sure the absence of hyper-liberals is indicative of anything. The tribal drums are sure to be beat just as loudly if another story comes up that is sliiiiiiightly more ambiguous. I have no reason to think Tribal leaders have seen the light. They are just avoiding it.

I can't speak for any of these "hyper-liberals" or "Tribal leaders" you speak of ... not being either ... but for myself, I didn't find anything to object to because I thought it was wrong for the car to be parked in the crosswalk, and for its owners to react the way they did.

What did you think I should do, pretend outrage I didn't feel.

When such incidents are clearly motivated by prejudice I will find fault with them.

This one wasn't.

An honest-to-goodness nothingburger.

I do have to wonder about the motives for starting the thread, though, since it seems to have no goal beyond trying to disparage real incidents of prejudice by mocking them with a thinly disguised parody.

 

[Thermal]

Or maybe there are no tribal leaders on the left?

I can't speak for any of these "hyper-liberals" or "Tribal leaders" you speak of ... not being either ...

Poor word choice on my part. Just getting bored with saying SJW. Conceded.

...but for myself, I didn't find anything to object to because I thought it was wrong for the car to be parked in the crosswalk, and for its owners to react the way they did.

What did you think I should do, pretend outrage I didn't feel.

When such incidents are clearly motivated by prejudice I will find fault with them.

This one wasn't.

An honest-to-goodness nothingburger.

That's the rub, though...most of the LWB threads are nothingburgers, and for the same reason Crosswalk Cathy is. There is never a valid excuse to assign racist motives to one party simply because of the color of their skin and that of their adversary. Barbeque Becky calls the cops? I'll bet she would have called on a gang of whiteys too, because that's what busybody sidewalk superintendents do. But strictly based on their relative skin colors, she was branded a racist. By that metric, so should Cathy, full stop. So my question to the mighty Warriors of Social Justice is: what's different here? Doesn't matter what the Parkers did or said; that's their own issue. What is different about Crosswalk Cathy that she is immune from being dubbed an inarguable racist, as so many before her have been?

I do have to wonder about the motives for starting the thread, though, since it seems to have no goal beyond trying to disparage real incidents of prejudice by mocking them with a thinly disguised parody.

I think the OP was taking a different direction with this, more questioning what the hell has racial discourse bottomed out to, where blatantly racist language is fully accepted...as long as you're not white. If I am reading Puppycow correctly, I agree. The reporter should be slammed heartily for his inflammitory language, eclipsing Cathy and the Parkers. But it is tolerated, almost as if a lower standard is provided for such people. And that is not a good thing.

 

[Roboramma]

So my question to the mighty Warriors of Social Justice is: what's different here? Doesn't matter what the Parkers did or said; that's their own issue. What is different about Crosswalk Cathy that she is immune from being dubbed an inarguable racist, as so many before her have been?

The difference is that she was justified in making the call. They really were parked in a crosswalk and it's probably a good thing to call the city when someone does that. And given that, it's easy to see that her motivation was probably exactly that.

If they had just parked in a parking spot and hadn't yet put the fare in the meter and she called the authorities because she thought they weren't going to, we'd find that motivation unlikely and suddenly a racist motivation would make more sense.

I do agree with you that many of these incidents are much less obviously racist than many posters seem to think, but when someone's actions make sense from a non-racist perspective we can say, okay, that makes sense, and when they don't make sense except in the context of a racist reaction, then we can start to think that racism might be involved. I'm obviously oversimplifying, but I think that's how the logic has been working in these threads and why most people reading this don't see any racism in this case.

 

[Foolmewunz]

This is the problem with clickbait journalism; you need a steady supply of articles about some new "outrage" being committed.

I will say this: the fact that Crosswalk Cathy and Barbecue Becky are national news certainly indicates that racism is much less of a problem than it used to be.

Alternately, that these always dubious and possible to be interpreted in many ways non-stories are a safe space where pearl-clutching can prevail while assiduously avoiding the Trump-inspired and egged on folks who run people down with their cars, send Rube Goldberg bombs to Trump opponents, go to a supermarket to shoot random black people, and gun down Joos.

If our conservative members here would spent 1/10th the time addressing the actual card-caring bigots performing actual certified bigoted acts as they do discrediting silly page 19 human interest(disinterest) filler, you might actually gain some credibility. "Oh dear, Trump-egged-on creep kills a bunch of people in Pittsburgh. Perhaps we should do something to reclaim the GOP and drive these people to some new party like Bill the Butcher had? Naaah, let's go find a dubious story about someone properly or improperly asking for ID at a swimming pool. We can post enough in there to take the actual murdering sumbitches off the top of the feed."

Conservative interference runners love these stories. "Right Wing Nut Case shoots up a synagogue"? Not so much.

 

[Roboramma]

I don't think these Living While Black threads were mostly started by conservatives.

 

[baron]

I do have to wonder about the motives for starting the thread, though, since it seems to have no goal beyond trying to disparage real incidents of prejudice by mocking them with a thinly disguised parody.

God yes, we wouldn't want to risk demeaning the importance of threads such as this.

 

[Foolmewunz]

I don't think these Living While Black threads were mostly started by conservatives.

No, but the massive amount of whataboutism anecdotes are the conservative contribution. Look at the "Massive Wave of Hate Crimes" thread and get back to me on your findings.

 

[Drewbot]

I am summarizing for the new readers here, correct me if I'm wrong.

1. White lady calls cops on a car parked illegally
2. car owner gets out of the car and turns out to be black
3. car owner yells at white lady, and tells her to go back to her white neighborhood
4. white lady is actually the racist
5. car owner who is black is monetizing the likeness of the white lady, who is actually the racist.

Is that correct?

Should we assume the white lady supports Trump?

 

[baron]

I am summarizing for the new readers here, correct me if I'm wrong.

1. White lady calls cops on a car parked illegally
2. car owner gets out of the car and turns out to be black
3. car owner yells at white lady, and tells her to go back to her white neighborhood
4. white lady is actually the racist
5. car owner who is black is monetizing the likeness of the white lady, who is actually the racist.

Is that correct?

Should we assume the white lady supports Trump?

In the UK even beeping your horn at a car is a hate incident... if there happens to be a black person inside.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7659080/oap-hate-crime-thames-valley-driver-petrol/

Speaking to The Sunday Times, he said the woman in front of the elderly couple "was taking ages" to fill up her petrol tank.

He added: "The lady who was driving, in her seventies, peeped on the horn and out flew an Afro-Caribbean lady who screamed abuse at them, went into the kiosk and reported it as a hate crime.

 

[Information Analyst]

In the UK even beeping your horn at a car is a hate incident... if there happens to be a black person inside.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7659080/oap-hate-crime-thames-valley-driver-petrol/

Speaking to The Sunday Times, he said the woman in front of the elderly couple "was taking ages" to fill up her petrol tank.

He added: "The lady who was driving, in her seventies, peeped on the horn and out flew an Afro-Caribbean lady who screamed abuse at them, went into the kiosk and reported it as a hate crime.

Honking your horn because you think the person ahead is taking too long filling their car is certainly a twatish thing to do. Even the Mail, though, notes that, "Savidge said she was upset that the incident was recorded as a 'racially aggravated public order offence', despite the fact the other woman told officers it wasn't a hate crime." Sounds more a case of TVP being over-zealous, than the tardy motorist playing the race card.

 

[kellyb]

I do have to wonder about the motives for starting the thread, though, since it seems to have no goal beyond trying to disparage real incidents of prejudice by mocking them with a thinly disguised parody.

I don't think the OP is like that. I think he/she just found it interesting that there is now one nearly certain "false positive" LWB story making the rounds in the media.

 

[Distracted1]

I don't think the OP is like that. I think he/she just found it interesting that there is now one nearly certain "false positive" LWB story making the rounds in the media.

Nearly certain?