A Question For Truthers Regarding the CD Theory

Miragememories said:
The only result I desire is the truth.

Hopefully an investigation will reveal the inside nature of 9/11 wasn't as sinister as it appears to be.

MM
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LOL It did, you simply will not or more likely cannot accept that. You personally are in denial regarding Mr Morin and the Pentagon attack. If you will not accept facts as simple as that why would we think you would ever accept any investigation report? Why should taxpayers money be wasted when you and you ilk will not accepts facts as facts?

Your mental problems or limitations are your problem not the taxpayers.
 
tempesta29 said:
I could say the same thing about the official story: what type of steel suddenly loses 100% of its strength without being severed by explosives?
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The type that fractures at a plastic hinge. In other words, every type.

Dave

ETA: I'm dying to hear about these explosives that slowly reduce the strength of steel over a 1.75 second interval, though.
 
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Dave Rogers said:
The type that fractures at a plastic hinge. In other words, every type.
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And does a plastic hinge form suddenly? No. It is a development that takes place during deformation.

ETA: I'm dying to hear about these explosives that slowly reduce the strength of steel over a 1.75 second interval, though.
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They wouldn't necessarily slowly reduce the strength of steel to allow such a measurement. Are you under the impression that all CDs occur in a free fall from start to finish? The amount of friction of the severed beams relative to the momentum of the falling mass (which is 0 prior to collapse) may disallow free fall at the early stage.

However after 7 feet of descension, WTC 7 is in free fall and basically stays that way until completion, aside from the resistance provided by the amassing rubble beneath the falling structure.
 
tempesta29 said:
And does a plastic hinge form suddenly? No. It is a development that takes place during deformation.



They wouldn't necessarily slowly reduce the strength of steel to allow such a measurement. Are you under the impression that all CDs occur in a free fall from start to finish? The amount of friction of the severed beams relative to the momentum of the falling mass (which is 0 prior to collapse) may disallow free fall at the early stage.

However after 7 feet of descension, WTC 7 is in free fall and basically stays that way until completion, aside from the resistance provided by the amassing rubble beneath the falling structure.
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Have you managed to figure out any of the twenty things in an office fire which would explode yet?

yes or no?
 
Tempesta29, please compare these two statements you just made.

tempesta29 said:
And does a plastic hinge form suddenly? No. It is a development that takes place during deformation.
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tempesta29 said:
However after 7 feet of descension, WTC 7 is in free fall and basically stays that way until completion, aside from the resistance provided by the amassing rubble beneath the falling structure.
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So, we've got seven feet of descent during which a plastic hinge forms and fractures, then free fall after the columns have fractured. Your own arguments support it.

Dave
 
tempesta29 said:
And does a plastic hinge form suddenly? No. It is a development that takes place during deformation.

However after 7 feet of descension, WTC 7 is in free fall and basically stays that way until completion, aside from the resistance provided by the amassing rubble beneath the falling structure.
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Sigh. I suppose if you keep on saying stuff then eventually you'll get something right. This, however, is not that occasion. Here's the graph:

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Sabretooth said:
What medium, item, or process can cut structural steel, in multiple places, with precision, that not only is very quiet, but also does not produce a blinding flash of light, is fire-proof, and can be applied without being detected either before, during, or after it's use?
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Asking this question is like asking a 9/11 conspiracy theorist to justify why explosions are always equated to the use of explosives after failing to eliminate the other 50 things that are candidates.

There's never any direct answer to it. They will say "that's why we need a new investigation to find out." Yet despite arguing that, they claim to have already found their answer and are ready to take this thing to court.

Quiet explosives: It's an oxymoron. Explosives are by definition a sudden release of energy. There is no kind of explosive charge designed to sever a structural member that will have a sound measurement below 130 decibels from a quarter to half-mile.

If there is one recording of it, then there should be at least a couple hundred. This was the most documented terrorist attack in history, with footage from virtually every distance. There is not a single audio recording of audible explosions of the type that can be associated with charges capable of severing columns. NONE. Reports of explosions do not change this, because truthers refuse to provide compelling evidence that alternatives don't explain the reports, in fact alternatives, in their minds, don't exist.

Detection before or after use: Not even a concern. If truthers cannot present even the basic evidence that the said materials were there in the first place then discussing the method of installation is utterly pointless.

Just my 2 cents... I'd be interested however in seeing what sort of disagreement they'd have with this kind of question, or an elaboration discussing why the question was asked such as this one. I find that playing devil's advocate with this theory is impractical since the evidence points to something other than the case they advance
 
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Grizzly Bear said:
If truthers cannot present even the basic evidence that the said materials were there in the first place then discussing the method of installation is utterly pointless.
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I would take it one step further than that: if Truthers cannot present that a material with the necessary properties even exists, then discussing whether they were in the building is utterly pointless.
 
Miragememories said:
The only result I desire is the truth.

Hopefully an investigation will reveal the inside nature of 9/11 wasn't as sinister as it appears to be.

MM
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This can not possibly be true, as I have yet to see any member of the 9/11 B**** movement denounce any falsehood spread by the B**** movement. Maybe I missed yours. Have you denounced A****** Jones for creating inaccurate evidence to accuse the FDNY of being a force behind 9/11. Have you denounced the quote mining of firefighters statements in support of controlled demolition when their quotes clearly show that are just describing the collapse and not actual explosives going off. Have you denounced any of the other false claims like there are missile batteries at the Pentagon? If not, you're claim "the only result you desire is the truth" is a falsehood.
 
adkinsjr said:
It must be called the "truth" cult, for that is what it is.




How many possible truths are there behind the collapses? The buildings either collapsed due to fires and damage (the obvious answer); or they were brought down in a CD (the laughably preposterous answer).



Not really, can you name one other possibility? You don't have to endorse it, just use that infamous truther imagination.
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It was "dustified" by Tesla technology. Super termites ate through the beams. Collateral damage from Underdog saving Polly Purebred. Truly, the possibilities are endless.
 
Dave Rogers said:
Tempesta29, please compare these two statements you just made.

So, we've got seven feet of descent during which a plastic hinge forms and fractures, then free fall after the columns have fractured. Your own arguments support it.

Dave
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Are you implying it only takes fracturing on one horizontal plane of a building to induce complete free fall thereafter?

This post is beneath you.
 
GlennB said:
Sigh. I suppose if you keep on saying stuff then eventually you'll get something right. This, however, is not that occasion. Here's the graph:
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In Stage 2, the north face descended at gravitational acceleration, as the buckled columns provided negligible support to the upper portion of the north face. This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories or 32.0 m (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75 s and t = 4.0 s.

In Stage 3, the acceleration decreased somewhat as the upper portion of the north face encountered increased resistance from the collapsed structure and the debris pile below. Between 4.0 s and 5.4 s, the north face corner fell an additional 39.6 m (130 ft).
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I'm sorry. Did you have a point?
 
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