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A question for skeptical atheists.

1inChrist said:
If James Randi suddenly became a Christian,gave his life to Christ, became a reverend, started a Church, denounced atheism and begged all other skeptics to turn to Christ, what would you think?
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You make the assumption that Randi is some sort of Ayn Rand-like figure who gives us marching orders which we midlessly obey. My opinions about the supernatural were already set by the time I started posting to JREF or reading Randi's books.

Would you open up your mind to the possibility that God showed James Randi the way and rethink your beliefs?
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No. One man's experience isn't proof. Unless he can empirically and repeatidly show that there is a God of Abraham, his existence remains questionable.

Even if he, or anyone else, did prove to me that a god exists, why should I bow down and worship him? I have some serious complaints about his managment of this universe. He's done a piss-poor job of it so far despite his reported omnipotence and infinite capacity for "love."

[/B]Or would you just blindly accept that he was gullible?[/B]
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I would recall Ophilia's line from Hamlet Act III, Scene i: "O, what a noble mind is here o'erthrown! "

I would seriously wonder what would cause a life-long skeptic to suddenly become a believer; Senile dementia, schitzophrenia, brain damage. If that was not the case, then gullibility would be a suspect, though it doesn't fit Randi's personality.
 
What if God sent another son (call him Felipe) who came to Earth with this message: "You know, the Mayans had the One True Religion--you all better convert!"

Would you straightaway convert and learn to play the he-man's version of basketball?
 
1inChrist said:
If James Randi suddenly became a Christian,gave his life to Christ, became a reverend, started a Church, denounced atheism and begged all other skeptics to turn to Christ, what would you think? Would you open up your mind to the possibility that God showed James Randi the way and rethink your beliefs? Or would you just blindly accept that he was gullible?
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No.
 
1inChrist said:
If James Randi suddenly became a Christian,gave his life to Christ, became a reverend, started a Church, denounced atheism and begged all other skeptics to turn to Christ, what would you think? Would you open up your mind to the possibility that God showed James Randi the way and rethink your beliefs? Or would you just blindly accept that he was gullible?
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Let's just state the proposition but with a different cast:
If US President George W Bush suddenly became a Christian,gave his life to Christ, became a reverend, started a Church, denounced atheism and begged all other skeptics to turn to Christ, what would you think? Would you open up your mind to the possibility that God showed George W Bush the way and rethink your beliefs? Or would you just blindly accept that he was gullible?
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...which has actually happened, hasn't it. Or perhaps we could restate it like this:
If Osama Bin Laden suddenly became a Christian,gave his life to Christ, became a reverend, started a Church, denounced atheism and begged all other skeptics to turn to Christ, what would you think? Would you open up your mind to the possibility that God showed Bin Laden the way and rethink your beliefs? Or would you just blindly accept that he was gullible?
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...which makes the point moot and ridiculous, doesn't it.

Since you seem to be trying to make a point based on personalities, you are obviously a giant fool, and also a godsend for advertising campaigns.
 
1inChrist,

If your pastor suddenly became a Muslim, accepted that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His greatest prophet, became a mullah, started a mosque, denounced Christianism and begged all other Christians to submit to the will of Allah, what would you think? Would you open up your mind to the possibility that Allah showed your pastor the way and rethink your beliefs? Or would you just blindly accept that he was gullible?

After all, the following is not exactly different from th Bible...

"That which you have been given is but a fleeting comfort of this life. Better and more enduring is that which Allah has for those who believe and put their trust in Him; who avoid gross sins and indecencies and, when angered, are willing to forgive; who obey their Lord, attend to their prayers, and conduct their affairs by mutual consent; who bestow in alms a part of that which We have given them and, when oppressed, seek to redress their wrongs. "[Al-Qur'an, Sura: 42 (Ash-Shura), Ayat: 36-39]

Not to mention...

"And behold Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary Did you say to men, Worship me and my mother as gods besides Allah He will say-"Glory to you I could never say what I had no right (to say')" (Soorah Al-Maa'idah- 5:116)

And...

"Verily those who believe, those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures), the Christians and the Sabians any who believe In Allah and the last day, and work righteousness shall have their reward with their Lord;They will not be overcome by fear nor grief" (Soorah Al-Baqarah 2:62).

Plus...

I"f only they had stood by the law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There Is from among them a party on the right course; but many of them follow a course that Is evil." (Soorah Al-.Maa'idah 5:66)


Or you would rather belive that Satan managed to conquer your pastor´s soul?
 
I would convert to christianity in an instant if the Amazing Randi did so, or commanded me to do so!

The rest of you are just despicable heathens!
 
At what point are you people going to realize that this twit is a hit-and-run troll? Not one reply in this thread of his since he started it early this morning, but plenty of replies from people feeding the troll...
 
Hazelip said:
At what point are you people going to realize that this twit is a hit-and-run troll? Not one reply in this thread of his since he started it early this morning, but plenty of replies from people feeding the troll...
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But its fun!
 
Mark A. Siefert said:
But its fun!
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True, but I'd prefer if he just started 1 thread and continued it.

As is he tends to have the same or very similar threads going in the Skepticism, Religion, and Million Dollar Challenge forums. Maybe we should start a separate forum called 1 in Christ's inane "what if" questions.

Wait, that wouldn't work. Doing that would leave him nowhere to run to after his point is dismantled and shown to be absurd
 
Correa Neto said:
1inChrist,

If your pastor..
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I'm not sure that he has one. Quite a lot of the stuff he's coming out with is heretical and blasphemous. E.g: "Think about it. Your precious ''rational and predictable world'' may just be an illusion created by God's enemy." ... a less tolerant age would have had him tied to a stake PDQ. But unless there are any Gnostics left (and recall that this heresy was specifically condemned by St Paul ("'gnosis' falsely so-called")) I can't think what church he could possibly belong to.
 
Dr Adequate said:
I'm not sure that he has one. Quite a lot of the stuff he's coming out with is heretical and blasphemous. E.g: "Think about it. Your precious ''rational and predictable world'' may just be an illusion created by God's enemy." ... a less tolerant age would have had him tied to a stake PDQ. But unless there are any Gnostics left (and recall that this heresy was specifically condemned by St Paul ("'gnosis' falsely so-called")) I can't think what church he could possibly belong to.
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He's been a Christian since childhood. About 10 years ago, his pastor left the church (he hasn't named the denomination) to begin a splinter church in his garage. 1inC went with him. There are 10 members.

That's the story according to 1inC. Make of it what you will :)
 
His pastor is Billy Bob Hargus of The First Church of the Discount Jiffy Lube Job's Lot.
 
TruthSeeker said:
He's been a Christian since childhood. About 10 years ago, his pastor left the church (he hasn't named the denomination) to begin a splinter church in his garage. 1inC went with him. There are 10 members.

That's the story according to 1inC. Make of it what you will :)
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So is this the kinda church that will be serving Kool-aid or applesauce?

JPK
 
JPK said:
So is this the kinda church that will be serving Kool-aid or applesauce?

JPK
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In all seriousness, if 1inC is telling the truth, this is indeed one of my concerns. He has not been open to discussing it however.
 
TruthSeeker said:
In all seriousness, if 1inC is telling the truth, this is indeed one of my concerns. He has not been open to discussing it however.
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There is a very cultishness about his church, isn't there? I sincerely hope it is not of the Kool-Aid or applesauce varieties.
 
Lisa Simpson said:
There is a very cultishness about his church, isn't there? I sincerely hope it is not of the Kool-Aid or applesauce varieties.
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Same here. So far, the pastor doesn't seem to have claimed any "extraordinary" powers for himself which is always a bad sign. It seems they are more of an extreme bible-thumping group, which I think are less dangerous.

Time will tell.
 
TruthSeeker said:
Same here. So far, the pastor doesn't seem to have claimed any "extraordinary" powers for himself which is always a bad sign. It seems they are more of an extreme bible-thumping group, which I think are less dangerous.

Time will tell.
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Agreed. I certainly would hate to hear about another Jonestown or Heavens Gate story. However, the bible thumping kind tend to be more dangerous to those outside their little fanatical group and not as likely to off themselves.
I realize this probably won't help but has anyone suggested that 1inC look
here

JPK
 
Well I've just noticed that his avatar is the Turin Shroud. My "he's a troll" hypothesis has just strengthened. Unfortunately, so has my "he's a complete idiot" hypothesis, and they sort of cancel out.

Where's he been posting lately? He seems to have logged over 700 posts in a very short space of time, but not round here. I was just going to suggest that we've got quite a lot of sane Christians round here, and maybe they could convince him that The Church Of Making Loud Woo-ing Noises is not the one true faith.
 
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