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A Perpetuum Mobile Machina is possible...

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Through time the Perpetual Motion Machine (Perpetuum Mobile Machina) has turned a myth and whenever he appears somebody that says to have solved the problem nobody perturbs at least in analyzing the data, the scientists are even skeptical towards this type of devices.

According to the laws of the thermodynamics such device is not possible...
I have created a device that does not break any physical law, in addition this device does not depend of thermoelectrical processes but of mechanical and electromagnetic processes.

Why my machine would work? Why it would not be simply another swindle?
Well, the answer is simple, the technologies that must be developed to create this machine already exist and are totally efficient and operables.

The advances in the Inductrack System are developing by Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and the EMS System developed by Transrapid Internacional are technologies that can be used to create this machine and this way solve a great problem at world-wide level: the Power Crisis of the Planet.

This invention will not only be able to stop the environmental contamination, but it will increase all the economies and will even allow to have us electrical energy to the future planet colonizations as in the case of Mars, to mention an example.

The importance of this invention is very great, would be the end of burn of coal to produce electricity (USA obtains 52% of their electricity of this form), also could the end to the dependency of petroleum, because the hydrogen, the fuel of the future needs great amount electricity to be produced.

For more information visit my site in Geocities or my blogspot:
perpetuummachina dot blogspot dot com

It would be good for participating in Million Dollar Challenge. The challenge would be to demonstrate with scientific bases that the Perpetuum Mobile Machina can be created.

To return possible the impossible thing... ;-)
 
Ok why JREF? Somewhere where people were a bit less ah sceptical might be logical. Oh and the blog appears to lagely be in spanish.
 
If you scroll down he seems to have the same stuff in English.

What is lacking is any explanation of how this is supposed to work. His explanation seems to be "electricity and magnets". Needless to say, the laws of electricity and magnetism are consistent with the first law of thermodynamics, and there doesn't even seem to be any attempt to circumvent the second law. My guess goes to "doesn't understand that generators require mechanical force to induce electric currents".
 
Electricity is needed to activate the machine, the turbine that would rotate the generator rotor, once activated the machine would be fed itself, this technology is used by Transrapid International and the electricity is stored in batteries...
 
From the site:
This system spends less energy of the one than it produces and because it is not a thermoelectrial system do not exist violations to the laws of the thermodynamics. The system depends on a mechanical and electromagnetic processes; the mechanical energy originated by the rotating propulsion (electromagnetic) of the generator rotor (alternator or dynamo) will transform that energy into electricity.
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Emphasis is mine.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like they just re-invented the electric generator. (Perhaps someone should let them know that electric generators are not perpetual-motion machines, and really do not "generate" energy from nothing.)

Oh yeah, and since when were electro/mechanical devices exempt from the laws of thermodynamics?
 
Who has spoken to produce energy of the anything?

The energy to activate the machine would come from batteries or until from a diesel engine able to even produce the electricity necessary to activate it nothing else...

To understand this technology they would have to investigate on the EMS system of Transrapid International and the Inductrack technology developed by the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory of California...
 
Since I am not an energy expert, I will let the real experts decide if this is a Perpetual Motion machine or not.*

But, can you at least explain to me this statement, from the web site?:
This system spends less energy of the one than it produces and because it is not a thermoelectrial system do not exist violations to the laws of the thermodynamics. The system depends on a mechanical and electromagnetic processes;
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Which I will translate into better English as follows:
This system spends less energy than it produces. And, because it is not a thermo-electrical system, it does not violate the laws of thermodynamics. The system depends on mechanical and electromagnetic processes.

Please explain how mechanical and electromagnetic processes can be exempt from the laws of thermodynamics.

(*My money is on "not", but I am not to judge such things.)
 
Sorry, but whilst there may be no mechanical friction there is resistance to motion. When the generator is spun the magnets cause an electric current to flow, but this current produces a magnetic field which is opposed to the magnetic field which created the current. This creates a form of friction which increases as the current increases. The drain from the system due to the powering of the batteries and the magnetic drag will prevent this system from being a perpetual motion machine. You also lose energy in the ac/dc rectification circuit. You will either get less energy from the machine than is required to power the generator, or your magnetolevitator batteries will lose charge slowly, until the machine breaks down. Furthermore no battery is infinitely rechargeable, so you will have to replace the batteries at regular intervals with fully charged batteries, which means that you are adding extra external energy to the system, and you probably need to stop the machine to do this, which will also sap energy from the system.

You may appear to get more energy from the system than is put into it for a short period, but this is because you start with fully charged batteries which then lose their charge, and this is where the excess energy comes from.
 
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Try Penn & Teller show, they are happy to present and review things like this ;)
 
As ably detailed by wollery, there are several other energy sinks, mostly the inefficiencies inherent in control circuitry (rectifiers, inverters).

ETA: From your website...
The levitation also suppresses the friction (contact between surfaces). Due to this, the energy to rotate the rotor of a generator is minimum. And will be necessary only 4.7 kWh to generate a force sufficient to rotate the shaft of the turbine to more than 2,000 rpm, transferring that mechanical energy to the generator rotor of the electricity (Figure Nº 3; item 9) enormous amounts of energy will be produced, with a near power or superior to 150 MW, which would surpass to the benefits of present wind turbines and it would be equaled to the thermoelectrical turbines efficiency.
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(Emphasis mine. "kWh" is a unit of energy, while "MW" is a unit of power.)

Moreover, the basis of your "perpetual motion" claim seems to be the assumption that reducing all mechanical friction to zero in an electrical generator then results in zero torque being required to get that generator to produce electricity.

A little reflection should suffice to convince yourself that that is not so.

'Luthon64
 
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Do you have a working model? How long has it been producing more energy than it takes to run it?
 
Let me guess. You don't have a working model because there are just a few more bugs to work out. You can't quite get the theoretical efficiencies to work out, but you have some ideas about how to fix it. By the way, batteries are horribly inefficient due to internal resistance.

Now let me demonstrate my psychic abilities. You will never have a working model, but you'll always be really close.
 
In the case of using EMS System the problem would be to recharge the batteries for the movable section, but this could be solved with the positioning of an energy arc to feed the batteries or directly to excite the electromagnets of the movable section, this would solve the problem and there would not be resistance because not have contact between the surfaces.

To excite the electromagnets of the immovable section, the circular motor that would impel the turbine will have to connect directly to an alternating power source, is to say when the system already is activated will produce the electrical energy to feed the circular motor and it would be exempted of the inverter and the batteries...
 
Thermodynamics (from the Greek thermos meaning heat and dynamics meaning power) is a branch of physics that studies the effects of changes in temperature, pressure, and volume on physical systems at the macroscopic scale by analyzing the collective motion of their particles using statistics. Roughly, heat means "energy in transit" and dynamics relates to "movement"; thus, in essence thermodynamics studies the movement of energy and how energy instills movement. Historically, thermodynamics developed out of the need to increase the efficiency of early steam engines.

When I talk about thermodynamics I refer the laws that talk about to the heat interchange and the thermoelectrical processes...
 
No, I do not have a model working, this technology is only developed in Germany (Transrapid International), Japan (Railway Technical Research Institute (RTRI)) and EUA (Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory)
 
shazuga said:
No, I do not have a model working, this technology is only developed in Germany (Transrapid International), Japan (Railway Technical Research Institute (RTRI)) and EUA (Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory)
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It seems that you are replying to post 13.

Can you reply to post 12 instead? I'm pretty sure this is your problem:

Anacoluthon64 said:
Moreover, the basis of your "perpetual motion" claim seems to be the assumption that reducing all mechanical friction to zero in an electrical generator then results in zero torque being required to get that generator to produce electricity.

A little reflection should suffice to convince yourself that that is not so.
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I can't believe that you wrote that much about generators while you don't understand this.
 
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