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A nice essay

Docker said:
You have had this tape looked at by experts I assume? Or did you just soak in what the goverment told you about it, like a sponge.
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Proof that the tape is not Osama?

Oh yeah, in a couple shots he looks "different"
 
The tower fell in a time almost identical to that of a free-falling object,
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Video of the collapse clearly shows that beams falling away from the towers fell faster than the rest of the collapsing debris field. So if beams which are in freefall are travelling faster than the collapsing towers, then the towers must have been collapsing SLOWER than freefall.

I stopped reading after that part. If they couldn't even get that right, then the rest is sure to be nonsense.

Steve S.
 
Docker said:
I like this little piece, it's by batsrus in LC. It sums up the way truthers feel about the nuts very nicely:

"The tower fell in a time almost identical to that of a free-falling object, dropped from that height, meaning that it's physically impossible for it to have collapsed by the method of the top floors smashing through the lower floors.
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Strawman argument. It has been repeatedly shown that the collapse of the towers took longer than freefall in a vacuum.

But according to the conspiracy theorists, the laws of gravity were temporarily suspended on the morning of Sept 11. It appears that the evil psychic power of those dreadful Arabs knew no bounds. Even after they were dead, they were able, by the power of their evil spirits, to force down the tower at a speed physically impossible under the laws of gravity,
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This is the second part of the strawman, whereby the false claims of the opponents argument are counter-argued.

had it been meeting any resistance from fireproofed steel structures originally designed to resist many tons of hurricane force wind as well as the impact of a Boeing passenger jet straying off course.
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This has also been addressed, ad nauseum.

Clearly, these conspiracy nuts never did their science homework at school, but did become extremely adept at inventing tall tales for why.
"Muslim terrorists stole my notes, sir"
"No miss, the kerosine heater blew up and vapourized everything in the street, except for my passport."
"You see sir, the schoolbus was hijacked by Arabs who destroyed my homework because they hate our freedoms."
Or perhaps they misunderstood the term "creative science" and mistakenly thought that coming up with such rubbish was, in fact, their science homework.
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Ad hominem and poisoning the well.

The ferocious heat generated by this ghastly kerosine was, according to the conspiracy theorists, the reason why so many of the WTC victims can't be identified. DNA is destroyed by heat.
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I have never seen this claim made by anyone, on either side of the issue, outside of this quote.

(Although 2000°C isn't really required, 100°C will generally do the job.) This is quite remarkable, because according to the conspiracy theorist, the nature of DNA suddenly changes if you go to a different city. That's right! If you are killed by an Arab terrorist in New York, your DNA will be destroyed by such temperatures.
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I have never seen this claim made by anyone, on either side of the issue, outside of this quote.

But if you are killed by an Arab terrorist in Washington DC, your DNA will be so robust that it can survive temperatures which completely vapourize a 65 ton aircraft.
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Further strawman fallacies, as physical remnants of the plane were found.

You see, these loonies have somehow concocted the idea that the missile which hit the pentagon was not a missile at all, but one of the hijacked planes. And to prove this unlikely premise, they point to a propaganda statement from the Bush regime, which rather stupidly claims that all but one of the people aboard the plane were identified from the site by DNA testing, even though nothing remains of the plane. The plane was vapourized by the fuel tank explosion maintain these space loonies, but the people inside it were all but one identified by DNA testing.
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Further strawman fallacies. The arguments for flight 77 striking the Pentagon, as described by the reports/analysis, is supported by many different forms of evidence and does not rely solely on DNA testing.

So there we have it. The qualities of DNA are different, depending upon which city you're in, or perhaps depending upon which fairy story you're trying to sell at any particular time.
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Summarizing the aforementioned strawmen.

As American's gear up to impeach the traitor Bush, and stop his perpetual oil war, it's not helpful to have these idiots distracting from the process by spreading silly conspiracy theories about mythical Arabs, stories which do nothing but play into the hands of the extremist Bush regime.
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Non-sequitor and false choice fallacy. There are people on both sides of the issue that take issue with the war, want President Bush out of office, and feel that the administration has overstepped its bounds.

At a less serious time, we might tolerate such crackpots with amused detachment, but they need to understand that the treachery that was perpetrated on Sept 11, and the subsequent war crimes committed in "retaliation", are far too serious for us to allow such frivolous self-indulgence to go unchallenged.

Those who are truly addicted to conspiracy delusions should find a more appropriate outlet for their
Paranoia.

It's time to stop loony conspiracy theories about Sept 11."
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Pot. Kettle. Black.
 
Docker said:
So you think all confessions are real? Right well James Files shot kennedy then.
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Well unless you can prove Osama is insane and is only doing it for attention, then I am going to assume his confession is real.
 
steve s said:
Video of the collapse clearly shows that beams falling away from the towers fell faster than the rest of the collapsing debris field. So if beams which are in freefall are travelling faster than the collapsing towers, then the towers must have been collapsing SLOWER than freefall.

I stopped reading after that part. If they couldn't even get that right, then the rest is sure to be nonsense.

Steve S.
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It also shows squibs 20 storeys below the debris, so are you saying the floors pancaked faster than gravity?
 
Docker, I'm wondering if you have any thoughts of your own on 9/11. Anything in particular you, personally, would like to bring to the table, be it issues you have with the events of that day, discrepancies you'd like to see addressed, that sort of thing...

Or are you just here to post pictures and other people's work?
 
docker, when are you going to offer evidence of your claims found in these threads, to which you haven't provided as of yet.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66906
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67011
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66977
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67021

You know what they say when attending a buffet? do not put more on your plate than you can eat.
Well, you've already filled your plate. Stop creating new threads until you've satisfactorally finished the above threads or admit in them that your claims are not supported by any facts or evidence, apologize to whom you insulted and admit that you were wrong.
 
Its like the night of the living dead, dorker keeps getting flattened in every thread he starts yet pops up again with yet more deluded posts.
I can almost imagine those thwackitty, thwackitty, thwack noises eminating from his bedroom.
Its not nice, that thought. :(
 
Arus808 said:
docker, when are you going to offer evidence of your claims found in these threads, to which you haven't provided as of yet.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66906
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67011
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66977
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67021
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The fault, dear Arus, is not in our trolls, but in ourselves, that we dignify their fecal utterances with reply.

DR
 
Docker said:
I like this little piece, it's by batsrus in LC. It sums up the way truthers feel about the nuts very nicely:

The tower fell in a time almost identical to that of a free-falling object
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No need to even finish the first sentence. Docker, did you join the movement a week ago or something? This stuff is so old its boring.

-Gumboot
 
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