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A Message from Val McClatchey

Let's remember to keep it civil and on topic, folks!
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Gravy said:
A year ago the "truth" movement swaggered into New York, oozing optimism. Without the countless hours of effort of a few dozen strangers scattered across the globe, this year's convention of snake oil salesmen might have been even larger and more confident. I haven't seen a single truther leader or follower crow about the success of this year's defensive delusionfest and "general strike." I only wish I knew how to make them understand that when you have no ammunition, circling the wagons only delays the inevitable.

Good work, people.

–Mark
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Well said, Mark.

To you and the rest of the 9/11 twoof debunkers: good job! This week's implosion of the twoof movement and Val's comments are what make dealing with the kooks worthwhile.
 
Horatius said:
I think this is just another symptom of their general illness. Any time a "truther" does anything that a normal human being would be ashamed of, the rest of them simply eject them from the flock - "We don't need to apologize for him - he's a disinfo agent!" It gives them the perfect out to allow truthers to make up any nonsense they want, while still thinking that they are "the good guys". Essentially, they pretend that it is we who are doing all these awful things. Look at some of their threads about the recent activities in NYC - any time anyone there did anything really odd, he was labelled a "JFER", or some other misspelling of JREF.

It never seems to occur to them that at some point, almost everyone in their movement has been disowned as a "disinfo agent", and that, if everyone in their movement at some time does or says something outrageous, then maybe, just possibly, it really is their movement that's doing these things.
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Personal responsibility seems to be a completely foreign concept to them.

Any time someone does something wrong, it's always the result of manipulation by some organization for some nefarious purpose.

Any time a person expresses disagreement with their beliefs, it's because they're on a government or corporate payroll.

Any time someone remains quiet about certain events or says something contrary to their belief, it's because they've been threatened by some organization.

Any time one of their own does something completely insane or morally wrong, it's because they're actually part of the disinformation campaign against them.
 
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Cl1mh4224rd said:
Personal responsibility seems to be a completely foreign concept to them.

Any time someone does something wrong, it's always the result of manipulation by some organization for some nefarious purpose.

Any time a person expresses disagreement with their beliefs, it's because they're on a government or corporate payroll.

Any time someone remains quiet about certain events or says something contrary to their belief, it's because they've been threatened by some organization.

Any time one of their own does something completely insane or morally wrong, it's because they're actually part of the disinformation campaign against them.
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What percentage of the U.S. population has not yet been implicated in the Grand Conspiracy, anyway?

I wonder why everybody is shutting up for fear that their kids and spouses might be harmed, even the childless, unmarried people on the NWO payroll like myself.
 
Maybe part of the problem is that most of the twoofers are sociopaths, unable to feel normal human emotions, or unwilling to feel anything like sentimentality or empathy. Sadness is not manly and productive. It has to be anger. Contemplation is a waste of time that should be taken up with actiuon.

No time in twoofer world to contemplate the poignancy of a cloud of smoke that testifies to the visiting of a horror on an otherwise un-involved community.

Twoofers are dead souls with bodies that haven't gotten the word.
 
Please do not respond to TC 329's attention-seeking derailing. If he continues I will ask that the derail be moved to one of the many existing threads on the subject.

It's interesting that TC 329 wants me to act as an intermediary between his disgusting behavior and Val McClatchey. I wonder what it is that constantly prevents "Killtown Jr." from doing his own work. Actually, I don't wonder. I know what it is.
 
Gravy,

Thank you for posting this thread and for passing along Ms. McClatchey's message. It is a poignant reminder that real people are affected in very real ways by the lies, distortions, and baseless accusations of unscrupulous members of the twoof movement, and it is good to hear that we have, collectively, helped in some small way to ameliorate the ugliness that twoofers spread so mindlessly.
 
Getting back to they OP, I say kudos to everyone on this forum. Even those of us jesters whose sole purpose is to entertain those tireless debunkers such as Gravy, R. Mackey and others.

I remember not long after I did the Killtown song, I received a message from Val (via Gravy) about how much she appreciated the song. I didn't think much of the song myself, but Val was quite touched by it, which made me smile. It was a nice reminder for me that no matter how low we value our own personal contributions to this forum, they can all have an impact.

So even if you are a sideline jester like myself, making crappy songs or entertaining cartoons or even just dropping the odd one-liner, it can have an impact in ways you might not imagine. I never thought Val would ever hear the Killtown song, but it gave me huge warm fuzzies to hear that she did, and that she liked it. :)

Gravy, say hi to Val for me if you get a chance! And let's hope that this personally targeted madness will end soon. To accuse faceless people of mass murder is one thing. If you want to accuse someone like Val, you'd better have damned good evidence, or I will write a crappy song about you - a fate worse than death.
 
qarnos said:
To accuse faceless people of mass murder is one thing. If you want to accuse someone like Val, you'd better have damned good evidence, or I will write a crappy song about you - a fate worse than death.
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[killtown]
I accuse Val?
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Thanks for forwarding that message to us Gravy. Val if you are reading this thanks for all you have done for the Todd Beamer foundation and the families. May serenity again return to your life. We will do all we can to help that happen by exposing the *** holes who harass you for what they are for all to see. As one has already on this thread all by himself.
 

As you can see, I have split this thread and moved several posts to AAH. Please stay on topic from this point forward.
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Katana said:

As you can see, I have split this thread and moved several posts to AAH. Please stay on topic from this point forward.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Katana
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Thank you. Let's stay on topic.
 
Gravy said:
Val wants to extend her sincere gratitude to everyone here who has supported her. She is well aware of your efforts. I hope that people on both sides of the issue take this as a reminder that what we do affects real people in the real world.

A year ago the "truth" movement swaggered into New York, oozing optimism. Without the countless hours of effort of a few dozen strangers scattered across the globe, this year's convention of snake oil salesmen might have been even larger and more confident. I haven't seen a single truther leader or follower crow about the success of this year's defensive delusionfest and "general strike." I only wish I knew how to make them understand that when you have no ammunition, circling the wagons only delays the inevitable.

Good work, people.

–Mark
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She's actually aware of what's going on around here ? Neat.

I only wish skeptical thinking was more widespread.
 
I am guessing that alot of people from that day, victim relatives, people like Val, etc..., know what we do here, or have heard of the site. I think alot of them stay on the sidelines, watching, and I can't say I blame them...the truthers can be ruthless, and mean if they don't hear what they want, or if they think you are a shill.

TAM:)
 
The few relatives that decided to show up at LCF and voice their opinion on the whole troof movement, where attacked ferociously by the troofers.
 
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