A Message from CSICOP: Global Warming is REAL!

[Theodore Kurita]

I think I deserve the right to kick shanek in the balls right now.


This is from the latest CSICOP mailing:



Wake Up Call

Leading scientists say climate change must finally receive the attention it deserves. True skeptics should agree with them.

Chris Mooney

http://www.chriscmooney.com

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As president emeritus of Stanford University, former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, and current editor-in-chief of Science magazine, Donald Kennedy is a hard scientist to ignore. And now he's shouting from the battlements a resounding message: "Get ready for global warming." On June 15, Kennedy hosted a star-studded conference on climate change at the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) in Washington, D.C., an all day event clearly designed to put the issue squarely on the public agenda. The assembled speakers powerfully argued that, despite a continuing gap between alarmed scientists and a yawning public, we would be foolish to ignore global warming--despite the siren calls of so-called "skeptics" who continue to dispute mainstream conclusions on this issue.

To Read More of this Column Visit: http://www.csicop.org/doubtandabout/climate-change/

 

[Nyarlathotep]

Anyone who would ever say "True Skeptics should agree" about anything is misusing the word "skeptic". Skepticism has to do witht he way you draw a conclusion, not what conclusion you should draw.

 

[jj]

quoting someone else
True skeptics should agree with them.

WTF is a "true skeptic"? Boy that line rubs me the wrong way.

 

[Nasarius]

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WTF is a "true skeptic"? Boy that line rubs me the wrong way.

I agree, but I'd guess he's criticizing the use of the term "global warming skeptics" which really means "global warming deniers".

 

[Chaos]

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WTF is a "true skeptic"? Boy that line rubs me the wrong way.

I suppose they´re close relatives of True Scotsmen (tm)

 

[Theodore Kurita]

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I agree, but I'd guess he's criticizing the use of the term "global warming skeptics" which really means "global warming deniers".

Nasarius, excellent, you figured out what I meant by that.

 

[Nyarlathotep]

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Nasarius, excellent, you figured out what I meant by that.

Nonetheless, even "global warming skeptic" would refer to how the person draws his conclusions about global warming, not what conclusions he draws.

 

[Shaun from Scotland]

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I suppose they´re close relatives of True Scotsmen (tm)

No true Scotsman has relatives. He has drinking buddies and people who annoy him. That's it.

 

[Rob Lister]

...who continue to dispute mainstream conclusions on this issue.

We took a vote and you skeptics lost so it must be true.

Actually, GW probably is happening to some extent. What I'm personally very skeptical about is the degree of it as will as its impact. Certainly the IPCC's assessment is crap.

 

[jj]

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We took a vote and you skeptics lost so it must be true.

Actually, GW probably is happening to some extent. What I'm personally very skeptical about is the degree of it as will as its impact. Certainly the IPCC's assessment is crap.

How about the recent evidence of cross-altitude contamination in spectroscopic measurements that now show that the air temperature is in fact rising as observed on the surface?

 

[Rob Lister]

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How about the recent evidence of cross-altitude contamination in spectroscopic measurements that now show that the air temperature is in fact rising as observed on the surface?

I don't know. How about it?

 

[Cain]

Everyone knows _Science_ is run by environmental ideologues.

The Cato Institute, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, the American Petroleum Institute, the Hoover Institute, and _Reason_ are far more respected sources because they're not beholden to ideology or self-interest. They take a more objective, less-biased view (sort of like the president) by casting aside preconceptions and waiting for ALL the evidence to come in.

 

[Nasarius]

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We took a vote and you skeptics lost so it must be true.

Actually, GW probably is happening to some extent. What I'm personally very skeptical about is the degree of it as will as its impact. Certainly the IPCC's assessment is crap.

What are you talking about? That debate ended years ago. Global warming is happening. There's absolutely no question about it. I can't believe you're that ignorant about this topic.

The question is how much does human activity contribute to global warming.

 

[American]

Every one of your stupid threads is titled with an exclamation mark, proving you are an alarmist, sensationalist, melodramatic idiot, and your silly marxist issues mean nothing. Get a job loser.

 

[Theodore Kurita]

Every one of your stupid threads is titled with an exclamation mark, proving you are an alarmist, sensationalist, melodramatic idiot, and your silly marxist issues mean nothing. Get a job loser.

What is wrong with volunteering 12 hour shifts at a hospital every other night during the summer?

Alarmist... Nope, I post threads that have relevance.

Melodramatic... Nope, although I do like a good debate every now and then.

Sensationalist... Nope, I usually just lurk here, posting here and there, and starting threads up that have interesting commentary in them. Besides, this is only the 2nd time I have used an exclamation mark in a topic.

Marxist... Not anywhere close. He just flat out got it wrong. Although, I do like writing history papers from a Marxist or Post-Structuralist viewpoint every now and then.

American, let me just put it bluntly. You are an intolerable, incorrigible, and bigoted scum of society.

 

[LucyR]

American, let me just put it bluntly. You are an intolerable, incorrigible, and bigoted scum of society.

Perhaps, but on a good day he displays a sense of humour (even if it is peculiar), and makes me sni**er.

Why did it edit my post?? Oh I see. Substitute giggle.

 

[a_unique_person]

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We took a vote and you skeptics lost so it must be true.

Actually, GW probably is happening to some extent. What I'm personally very skeptical about is the degree of it as will as its impact. Certainly the IPCC's assessment is crap.

You'll have to provide a more reasoned argument than that to convince me.

 

[Rob Lister]

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You'll have to provide a more reasoned argument than that to convince me.

Convince you of what? That's it's happening or that the IPCC assessment of it is crap?

 

[Kerberos]

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Convince you of what? That's it's happening or that the IPCC assessment of it is crap?

That the IPCC's assessment is crap.

 

[Stumpy]

From the CSICOP article

Meanwhile, we've witnessed a one degree Fahrenheit rise in global temperatures between the early 1800s and the present, with most of the change occurring in the past decade.

It's just this type of deceitful and dishonest preactice that removes entirely what little credibility the global warming scaremongers had in the first place. Of course the has warmed since the 1800s...we were emerging from what is commonly called the "Little Ice Age". A time when frost fairs were common in Britain and people used to ice skate on the Thames. Preceeding this was a Medieval warm period when vineyards were common place in Britain. The global temperature is still 1 degree less than when the Doomsday book was being compiled. The man-made global warming myth evaporates when you examine the global climate over the past 3000 years. Average Global temperatures are at about the mean temperature for that period.

Putting that 380 parts per million figure in context, a later speaker--Harvard geochemist Dan Schrag--pointed out that carbon dioxide levels have not exceeded 300 ppm for the last 400,000 years.

The same trick again! Go back even further and estimates put Atmospheric CO2 levels as 10 times the current levels. Even at today's current levels there are 50 times more CO2 in the oceans and land. The exchange of CO2 between sea and atmosphere is poorly understood. To assume that the miniscule proportion of CO2 in the atmosphere is entirely the result of human activity is lucicrous by any measure.

The notion that there is broad scientific consensus on global warming is as equally egregarious. The scientific community cannot agree if warming is occuring let alone what humanity is responsible. Over 17,000 scientists, 2/3 of whom had advanced degrees signed the Oregon petition disputing the man-made global warming myth. 4000 Scientists, including 72 Nobel winners, signed the Heidelberg in response to the CO2 limiting proposals at the 19922 Rio Earth summit.