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It's what I was told by a seemingly very devote Catholic on another forum quite some time ago. It turns out that acknowledging evolution is apparently optional in the RCC.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_and_the_Catholic_Church


If that isn't considered a cop-out intended for mass appeal then I have absolutely no idea what else would be...

What I asked for was a citation to back up the statement that you made, not a different statement entirely.

And I have to question why you believe "a seemingly very devote Catholic on another forum quite some time ago" to be a reliable enough source on Catholic doctrine to repeat what they said without verification, yet don't consider the Pope to be a reliable source on Catholic doctrine. As far as I can see it's because the random internet stranger about whom you know so little that you don't even know how devout they actually were said something that you'd like to believe is true while the Pope said something you'd like not to believe is true.
 
Since Catholic doctrine is whatever the Pope declares it to be, I'd say that few could be a bigger authority on the subject than him.
 
Since Catholic doctrine is whatever the Pope declares it to be, I'd say that few could be a bigger authority on the subject than him.

You need to do a bit better than that around here.

If we assume the wiki link to be accurate, we have the RCC saying "We're okay with you believing in evolution if you concede that 'God-did-it' but we're also saying that Adam-n-Eve were for real".

This is an acceptable stance for y'all? Am I the only one here seeing some slightly conflicting statements.

So I ask again, if not to foster wider public appeal, why would the RCC take such a non-committal position???
 
If we assume the wiki link to be accurate, we have the RCC saying "We're okay with you believing in evolution if you concede that 'God-did-it' but we're also saying that Adam-n-Eve were for real".

This is an acceptable stance for y'all? Am I the only one here seeing some slightly conflicting statements.

So I ask again, if not to foster wider public appeal, why would the RCC take such a non-committal position???

well considering your research appears to be some guy and the introduction to a wikipedia article I'd suggest maybe doing some more research?
 
........This is an acceptable stance for y'all?..........

Why do you do this ******? You're talking to a whole bunch of atheists, and one christian. Don't quote me and then expect me to comment on whether Catholic doctrine is OK with me. As far as I am concerned it is all nonsense, along with all other religious doctrine. What isn't OK with me, though, are unsubstantiated claims and overblown statements, even if you are arguing for a case that I would generally support. If you could avoid those, you'll have a whole lot of us who are currently pulling you up on everything swinging around behind you in support. Or at least, you might have done if you hadn't already muddied the waters so thoroughly.
 
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If we assume the wiki link to be accurate, we have the RCC saying "We're okay with you believing in evolution if you concede that 'God-did-it' but we're also saying that Adam-n-Eve were for real".

This is an acceptable stance for y'all? Am I the only one here seeing some slightly conflicting statements.

So I ask again, if not to foster wider public appeal, why would the RCC take such a non-committal position???

You're changing the subject again. I'd prefer it, when you quote my posts, if you replied to the contents of those posts.
 
If we assume the wiki link to be accurate, we have the RCC saying "We're okay with you believing in evolution if you concede that 'God-did-it' but we're also saying that Adam-n-Eve were for real".

This is an acceptable stance for y'all? Am I the only one here seeing some slightly conflicting statements.

So I ask again, if not to foster wider public appeal, why would the RCC take such a non-committal position???

You've convinced me........ to become a theist.
 
well considering your research appears to be some guy and the introduction to a wikipedia article I'd suggest maybe doing some more research?

The wiki article seems to be a genuine enough explanation for me. Do you dispute it? I will accept it unless The Pontiff 'Twitters' something to the contrary...
 
If we assume the wiki link to be accurate, we have the RCC saying "We're okay with you believing in evolution if you concede that 'God-did-it' but we're also saying that Adam-n-Eve were for real".

This is an acceptable stance for y'all? Am I the only one here seeing some slightly conflicting statements.
The RCC's position isn't that "Adam and Eve were real as according to Genesis" (if that's what you meant), but that there was an 'original sin' event by someone who was the first human, even if that was millions of years ago. This also allows that the first human evolved from an earlier form.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p7.htm

The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man.​

It was known from the early 19th C that the earth was much older than 6000 years. A common figure of that time was that the earth was around 20 million years old. Young earth Fundamentalism is a modern phenomenon. The Fundamentalists broke away from the mainstream churches, rather than the other way around.

Christians helped to develop the Theory of Evolution. From the link you yourself gave earlier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_and_the_Catholic_Church

Catholics' contributions to the development of evolutionary theory included those of the Jesuit-educated French scientist Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) and of the Augustinian monk Gregor Mendel (1822-1884). Lamarck developed Lamarckism, the first coherent theory of evolution, proposing in Philosophie Zoologique (1809) and other works his theory of the transmutation of species. He constructed a genealogical tree to show the genetic connection of organisms...​

On the Protestant side, there was Asa Gray: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asa_Gray

Gray and Joseph Dalton Hooker went to visit Richard Owen at London's Hunterian Museum in January 1839.[113] Gray met Charles Darwin during lunch that day at Kew Gardens, apparently introduced by Hooker. Darwin found a kindred spirit in Gray, as they both had an empirical approach to science, and first wrote to him in April 1855.[114] During 1855–1881 they exchanged about 300 letters...

Darwin published On the Origin of Species on November 24, 1859.[125] The first printing was 1,250 copies, with some having been sent to America via ship; one of those was for Gray. Gray's copy arrived just before Christmas, and he read it between Christmas and New Year's.[126] Since there was no international copyright law at the time, Gray worked to protect the book from publishing piracy. According to American law at the time, a copyright could only be secured by an American edition being published by an American citizen, and royalties were not required to be paid to the author.[127] Gray arranged the first American edition of On the Origin of Species and was able to negotiate royalties on Darwin's behalf...

Darwin had Gray in mind when he wrote, "It seems to me absurd to doubt that a man may be an ardent theist & an evolutionist."​

It's a betrayal of the hard work done by our ancestors to misrepresent, either deliberately or not, the history of that work, regardless of whether they are atheists or theists.
 
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