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A Hampton Court Ghost

Clancie said:
Many grief books cite the frequent occurence of widows/widowers thinking that they see their deceased spouse. You may not accept it, but it is widely reported and quite common.
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This night in Denmark, and tomorrow night in the English-speaking world, a fat, bearded guy will visit all children, and drop off several tons of gifts from a sleigh.

You may not accept it, but it is widely reported and quite common.
 
CFLarsen said:


This night in Denmark, and tomorrow night in the English-speaking world, a fat, bearded guy will visit all children, and drop off several tons of gifts from a sleigh.

You may not accept it, but it is widely reported and quite common.
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I've even seen special reports interupting regular television programming stating that the fat guy has been spotted flying over certain parts of the world. I wonder if he delivers presents to children in non Christian locations?
 
Clancie said:

Hi Ed,

Many grief books cite the frequent occurence of widows/widowers thinking that they see their deceased spouse. You may not accept it, but it is widely reported and quite common.

I can't find much of an online reference for you, but Dr. Raymond Moody (famous for research into NDE), -does- quote a similar statistic at his website. If you're really interested, I suppose you could write and ask him for his source (as well as for the others on his list that I'm sure you would dispute as well. Not that I disagree, really--he should source them. Here it is: ).
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Unfortunately I cannot get to the Journal citations that Ian posted. Perhaps after our Christmas Eve party.

I did eyeball your reference, Clancie. While this gentlemans assertions are warm and comforting, the fact remains that they are dealing with grief striken people. I think such reports are more fittingly placed in the realm of Abnormal Psychology than Parapsychology.

Have you, Clancie, ever experienced an hallucination? I have a few times, once due to sleep deprevation, once during illness and a couple of times due to the aftereffects of anesthesia and once during a grieving period. For all intents and purposes, these events are "real" to the person experiencing them. You might look at the literature on sleep deprivation to get some examples. Nothing strange or unexplained in terms of the causation. There is some scoffing regarding Lucid dreaming but I have experienced that too and I don't find it particularly odd.

My feeling is that leaping to paranormal rationales for these type of things says more about one's belief system than the events themselves.
 
CFLarsen said:


This night in Denmark, and tomorrow night in the English-speaking world, a fat, bearded guy will visit all children, and drop off several tons of gifts from a sleigh.

You may not accept it, but it is widely reported and quite common.
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Funny thing is that when we play up the Santa thing, the kids actually report the sound of Reindeer hooves Christmas morning. A simple example of wishful thinking but one that can be generalized to a host of paranormal stuff.

Merry Christmas to all.
 
http://www.itv.com/news/video/1300_20_hcourt_ghost.rm

I hope the images in the original footage is a bit more clear than what we see on the above link---I'm sure the blurry image is due to compression---I don't see anything indicating that a supernatural being is responsible -- the clothing is also difficult to see---I wonder if the stills and the jerky video we saw earlier were altered in any way to make them more clear--another question--do employees walk around the place in period costume?
 
Hi Ed,

Oh, were you and Ian debating that people really see the deceased? I thought you were arguing whether or not they report seeing the deceased (in significant numbers). The latter is, imo, well and widely documented. Hopefully you will access Ian's journal reference (or write Moody for his) and verify that to your satisfaction.

As for hallucinations...no, I've never had one though I've had other reactions to sleep deprivation.

Interestingly, I've been reading about Eusapia Palladino and the scientists who studied her. Some of them reported observing phenomena that, once tricks are ruled out, you would probably call hallucinations. And they may have been....but then there needs to be some documentation and explanation of that claim, too, don't you think?

Same with widows. Seeing the deceased does not apparently follow a wide pattern of sleep deprivation. There may be other, quite rational, explanations for it, but from what I've read, I don't think sleep deprivation's one of them.....
 
Teetop said:
http://www.itv.com/news/video/1300_20_hcourt_ghost.rm

I hope the images in the original footage is a bit more clear than what we see on the above link---I'm sure the blurry image is due to compression---I don't see anything indicating that a supernatural being is responsible -- the clothing is also difficult to see---I wonder if the stills and the jerky video we saw earlier were altered in any way to make them more clear--another question--do employees walk around the place in period costume?
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The answer to your question is yes. I have visited on several occasions and have seen household staff dressed in period costume. Here is a link showing that. Other history of the site can be
viewed on this site as well.

http://www.the-eye.com/hc3.htm

I did not see anyone dressed like this figure, which clearly is designed to mimic Henry VIII. While Ann Boleyn is alleged to walk the halls, her head in her hand
and that would be a siting to remember, I have never heard any legends of Henry materializing. Of course he may not have been noticed before ;)

More to come, no doubt. I dont think it was enhanced or de-enhanced deliberately and think that any changes to its appearance was the result of people trying to copy it in order to post it such as the first wobbly gif which is clearly labeed as such, e.g. gif! Everyone who has seen the original footage says it is from a stationery fixed camera; as previously indicated and confirmed to me by an engineer who installs the emote controlled equipment to do this this was the case, and was automtically programmed.

Here is a still sent to me from an ongoing analysis of the footage. It shows the foggy stuff Clancie refers to.
real well prior to appearance of the figure.
 
Clancie said:
Hi Ed,

Oh, were you and Ian debating that people really see the deceased? I thought you were arguing whether or not they report seeing the deceased (in significant numbers). The latter is, imo, well and widely documented. Hopefully you will access Ian's journal reference (or write Moody for his) and verify that to your satisfaction.

As for hallucinations...no, I've never had one though I've had other reactions to sleep deprivation.

Interestingly, I've been reading about Eusapia Palladino and the scientists who studied her. Some of them reported observing phenomena that, once tricks are ruled out, you would probably call hallucinations. And they may have been....but then there needs to be some documentation and explanation of that claim, too, don't you think?

Same with widows. Seeing the deceased does not apparently follow a wide pattern of sleep deprivation. There may be other, quite rational, explanations for it, but from what I've read, I don't think sleep deprivation's one of them.....
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So, what other explanation did you have in mind?

You keep hinting and hinting, but you don't want to say it, do you?
 
The frames, Clancie, in sequence show your fog or smoky stuff billowing up, forming the figure of a person and then becoming the recognizable figure of a human, er, the man we see in the figure. Unfortunately these subsequent frames are for some reason 32,768 KB and I am not allowed to post them because they exceed the size limit for attachments.

I dont want to crop them or compress them in case that will do something to what is showing there. Besides I am not that good at it. I just figured out how to post an image.

Perhaps Hal will allow me to do this just this once given the subject matter by momentarily agreeing to increase the size limits for images.
 
Steve, if you can find someone to host the images on a web site, you should be able to post them using the (img)(/img) vBcode tags.

There are some pretty large pictures in the "JREF Poster Picture Thread" that are done this way.
 
Good idea. I'll see if the people doing it would be willing to post their frame by frame on their website.
 
SteveGrenard said:
Good I dea. I'll see if the people doing it would be willing to post their frame by frame on their website.
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Great---keep us posted
 
Before the issue even comes up, I'd like to make it clear that posting the images here will be considered fair use for purposes of the ongoing discussion.
 
Don has agreed to place the frames on his website. The second row shows the fog building up, billowing and then become somewhat vertical. The first photo of the third row shows the figure emerging from this fog. The "snow" is an artifact and has nothing to do with this.

These frames are in sequence from beginning to end.

http://www.enformy.com/HamptonCourtGhost.htm


PS: The Queen of England or "The Crown" owns the rights to these tapes but they have been freely distributed worldwide by Hampton Court Palace so QEII would have a hard time suing anyone, not that I think she would. In fact she is probably delighted about all the PR.
 
I don't see any conclusive evidence that a figure is rising from mist
to me the animated GIF shows the figure walking up from beyond the view of the camera.
 
Teetop said:
I don't see any conclusive evidence that a figure is rising from mist
to me the animated GIF shows the figure walking up from beyond the view of the camera.
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Doug seems to think the same thing after he saw the frames:

"Many thanks to Don for the still frames, especially the enhanced frame. What I see is the right sleeve of the "ghost", which, from this angle, briefly looks round, like a (very large) baseball cap. The figure appears to be striding forward, raising its arms in preparation for closing the doors, and in this particular frame (#5), its arm just happens to be oriented toward the camera so that we see the white, round cuff of its sleeve. Because the sleeve is loose and baggy (like the robe itself), and because the cuff is thick, it looks circular (more precisely, oblong). If you look closely at the enhanced frame, you'll see that the sleeve cuff is attached to the figure's right arm. "

"The rest of the "kneeling person" is, I think, the handle of the open door (the left-side door) - it's one of those metal bars that stick out from the door. The way the light catches the door handle, we have the impression that it is connected with the whitish sleeve-cuff, which is also beginning to catch the light - but if you study the other frames, you'll see that the door handle does not change position (until the door is pulled shut) while the sleeve cuff is visible only for one frame (because it is in motion as the arm moves up)."

"Note that the whitish sleeve is in the same position relative to the figure's shoulders as the left hand, which is visible as a white blob.The figure's right hand is also a white blob, because both hands were entering the light at the same time. Doug."
 
Teetop said:
I don't see any conclusive evidence that a figure is rising from mist
to me the animated GIF shows the figure walking up from beyond the view of the camera.
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That's what I see too. I don't see anything "rising up" from any mist. Nor, for that matter, could I say that it was in "period costume". It looks to me like a figure in a robe (whether that robe is some sort of period costume or not, I can't say) walking up to a door and shutting it. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
I just think it's funny that...
To the sceptic it may simply look like a fuzzy CCTV image of someone in a long coat walking through a doorway.
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...While the "experts" (expert at what?) and a psychologist think this may be be extraordinary evidence of the supernatural.

I see nothing to suggest that this is anything other than a living human being closing the doors...aside from the anecdotes, which of course provide no proof at all. Seeing the vid would be helpful.
 
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