Merged A God of Love / The Living God

[abaddon]

According to Abaddon Robertson love giving the facts. You just have to keep the person a secret.

That is called respect. Respecting the privacy of those with whom I have communicated is required.

If you learned a little respect, it might go a long way.


Now, how about you start with square one. Demonstrate that this god of yours exists. If you are unable to do that then all of your other claims are useless.

 

[Johanabrahams]

No shame yet.

No problem. I am already waiting 17 years for Robertson to wake up. I am fighting against pride. Have to release you. You do not want to admit taking things out of a good context and putting it into your bad context is wrong.

But you do speak a lot on it. Seems you are trying your best to run from the inside fight in your spirit but you do not manage.

And I will keep up the forgiveness. And also the Grace. I forgive you for saying I am the wrong one. Remember it was you telling everybody I am a murderer. Changing the context into your own context. Saying what you wanted to say without the real context.

So you wanted me to be a murderer. You liked it. Mentioning it every now and then. Marvelling at the thought of having me in a corner.

But sadly it was only your own imagination.


No problem. I forgive you. God say it have to do it seventy times seven.

Mat 18:21* Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?*
Mat 18:22* Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.*

We are still far from the goal.

I just boarded my flight. I'll let you all know if the shame starts while I'm in the air.

The running from yourself. Yep. It will follow you into the air. Your corner. You put me there with lies. And lies took you into my place. And you are kept there by your own pride. You should not love your pride but hate it.

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/debates/the-hatred-of-god/

 

[Johanabrahams]

SHAME ON YOU!!!

Glad you see it. He might have thought it is only me.

 

[abaddon]

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/debates/the-hatred-of-god/

Another thread where actual christians pointed out your heresy.

How can anyone "hate" an imaginary being that does not exist?

How about you first demonstrate that any god exists?

 

[Johanabrahams]

Don't laugh, it might. You'll be closer to God up there, and after what you just said, whooo boy!

This signature is intended to irritate people.

The higher you are can not change you. It is just God who can change you. And He is everywhere. At this stage He is here. But if people want to stay what they are He will not force. They are handled as responsible beings. If they like evil they can stay with it. The problem with evil is it is blind and deaf. Those under its influence does not know it. Only God can open eyes and ears. But pride in self is blocking the way. Everyone is just full of pride. He thinks he is just them man. The evil of pride.

The problem with evil is that it is rooted in man. It is in the very heart of his being. He is controlled by it. It is himself. And he can not change. Only God can do that. And he has to die as a human and be born again as a child of God. Then he is a Godly being. Then his heart is good. It is another heart. But unfortunately it is only a few that walk that way.

It is only for the Worthy. We have seen the problem rooted in ourselves. And we have accepted our death. We have humbled ourselves and accepted the consequences of our wrongs. We died. And God raised us up again in His Life. The Life we are now living is His Life. We can accept no honor for it. It is not ours. And we didn't effect it. God did all. Now we are in the world witnessing to everybody the Truth. And all have to decide for themselves.

Most just decide to stay with their wrong actions rooted in the wrong of their beings. The sacrifice is to great for them. Many "Christians" are just hypocrites and never went through this death. They want the benefit without the sacrifice. Well it doesn't work that way. The built churches and congregations and work hard for God. They try to be good and to buy it with their "good". But it is futile. Only a death will suffice. And the price is too high. They love themselves just too much. Selfish love for themselves.

That is why the world is full of evil. Evil is actually destroying the world. And most do not want to change. "Believers" and "non-believers" all the same. They all want to keep their "precious lives". And God can not force. So we as God's real children just have to accept it and allow it to happen.

And evil has chosen its own destruction. And the world is following. And we as God's children have no problem with it. We are destined for a better live on the other side of the grave. Maybe this world will be saved by us and maybe not. He will not do it. If it happens He will allow His children to do it. They need to grow up and do it if their Father wants it to be. Either way God knows the best. And we accept His decisions. We understand it.

There is just no other way as the way of Love. Allowing everybody to just be what he wants. Servant of all.

 

[Belz...]

Glad you see it. He might have thought it is only me.

Are you trying to be funny? My post was sarcasm.

The only shame is yours.

 

[Beady]

You see no use here. So what are you doing here then? Nobody is forcing you to listen and speak about "nonsense". Maybe the others have some reason. Which you obviously do not understand.

And even the views are steadily growing. Much more than most other threads here. Which is also a benefit to this forum in general.

So maybe you should not selfishly think just about yourself?

You should start a thread where you can speak about what you want to speak about. That way you can create your own interest in society without being jealous of others.

Oh, I understand perfectly, and jealousy has nothing to do with it. It's entertainment, a circus, a French bedroom farce with religion. That's why viewership may be growing: word is spreading that there's a real live chew-toy back in town, and people are queueing up at the popcorn machines.

BTW, its not your province to tell someone to go start their own thread. This isn't your thread, it belongs to the forum and its membership, subject to the MA as interpreted by the moderators. You got a problem with a post, report it; the mods will take it from there.

Come to think of it, didn't you highjack this thread?

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[Nay_Sayer]

Johan is the worst false/fake prophet/god since Paul Bethke.

It's not even entertaining in the way cosmos thread are.

 

[abaddon]

The higher you are can not change you. It is just God who can change you. And He is everywhere. At this stage He is here. But if people want to stay what they are He will not force. They are handled as responsible beings. If they like evil they can stay with it. The problem with evil is it is blind and deaf. Those under its influence does not know it. Only God can open eyes and ears. But pride in self is blocking the way. Everyone is just full of pride. He thinks he is just them man. The evil of pride.

Great. you can demonstrate the some god exists. Please do so.

The problem with evil is that it is rooted in man. It is in the very heart of his being. He is controlled by it. It is himself. And he can not change. Only God can do that.

Oh, now satan does not exist. OK.

And he has to die as a human and be born again as a child of God.

Why? And if jebus is alive, did he really die at all?

Then he is a Godly being. Then his heart is good. It is another heart. But unfortunately it is only a few that walk that way.

Why does jebus hate figs?

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t is only for the Worthy. We have seen the problem rooted in ourselves. And we have accepted our death. We have humbled ourselves and accepted the consequences of our wrongs. We died. And God raised us up again in His Life. The Life we are now living is His Life. We can accept no honor for it. It is not ours. And we didn't effect it. God did all. Now we are in the world witnessing to everybody the Truth. And all have to decide for themselves.

What a load. You have yet to demonstrate that any god exists. Allah has more evidence despite being more imaginary.

Most just decide to stay with their wrong actions rooted in the wrong of their beings.

Demonstrate that.

The sacrifice is to great for them. Many "Christians" are just hypocrites and never went through this death. They want the benefit without the sacrifice. Well it doesn't work that way. The built churches and congregations and work hard for God. They try to be good and to buy it with their "good". But it is futile. Only a death will suffice. And the price is too high. They love themselves just too much. Selfish love for themselves.

Wow. A death cult.

That is why the world is full of evil. Evil is actually destroying the world. And most do not want to change.

Err. the modern world is demonstrably better Why do you want to revert to the hunter/gatherer baloney?

"Believers" and "non-believers" all the same. They all want to keep their "precious lives". And God can not force. So we as God's real children just have to accept it and allow it to happen.

No. You keep alluding to the notion that all of us atheists really believe in a spooky bloke in the sky. We don't.

And evil has chosen its own destruction. And the world is following. And we as God's children have no problem with it. We are destined for a better live on the other side of the grave. Maybe this world will be saved by us and maybe not. He will not do it. If it happens He will allow His children to do it. They need to grow up and do it if their Father wants it to be. Either way God knows the best. And we accept His decisions. We understand it. [.QUOTE] Nope. Because you have yet to even try to establish that the bible thug even exists in the first place.

There is just no other way as the way of Love. Allowing everybody to just be what he wants. Servant of all.

That's funny. Be what you want, but be a mindless slave to a myth.

 

[Beady]

Johan is the worst false/fake prophet/god since Paul Bethke.

It's not even entertaining in the way cosmos thread are.

To each his own. Myself, I find a certain forensic interest in how ja's mind works. On the one hand, there's nothing new; on the other, he adds a certain twist to it that's all his own, ie trying to rub everyone's nose in his particular brand of spiteful "love." Truth to tell, theres a third hand, and maybe even a fourth.

Third: While the other forum members keep trying to tell him we've seen his type many times before, they, we, have not fully grasped that ja has apparently seen our type many times before. That sets up an interesting conflict, in itself.

Fourth: The mods have seen all this more than anyone else, and have the power of life, death and AAH. We are all, therefore, dancing in Baphomet's palm, hoping he won't clench his fist.*

*A beer-soaked stripper to the first person who catches the allution.

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[Zivan]

Why does jebus hate figs?

It is always amusing how believers try to warp/twist/hand wave away the stories about their "god" hating figs and pigs (among other innocent lives he hates).

Most of the time they do not even know what the reference about figs (or pigs) even is.

 

[abaddon]

It is always amusing how believers try to warp/twist/hand wave away the stories about their "god" hating figs and pigs (among other innocent lives he hates).

Most of the time they do not even know what the reference about figs (or pigs) even is.

Ha. I like bacon. As forbidden by god in the bible.

The problem with Johan is that he not only claims that he is god but that he is the mother of everyone.

And the problem with such a claim is that he cannot justify that any god exists nor which god that might be.

 

[Zivan]

Ha. I like bacon. As forbidden by god in the bible.

That is true but I was referring to the story about jc killing a herd of pigs, after stealing them (theft) by throwing them off a cliff. I can not remember if that story is before or after his little temper tantrum killing the figs....

The problem with Johan is that he not only claims that he is god but that he is the mother of everyone.

The MA prevents me from saying what I think about that claim!!!!

And the problem with such a claim is that he cannot justify that any god exists nor which god that might be.

Oh, he says he is "god"........

 

[Beady]

That is true but I was referring to the story about jc killing a herd of pigs, after stealing them (theft) by throwing them off a cliff. I can not remember if that story is before or after his little temper tantrum killing the figs....




The MA prevents me from saying what I think about that claim!!!!



Oh, he says he is "god"........

Except when he says he's not.

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[Craig4]

Glad you see it. He might have thought it is only me.

And our next class will be on recognizing sarcasm.

Here's a hit, it's still only you.

 

[Craig4]

The running from yourself. Yep. It will follow you into the air. Your corner. You put me there with lies. And lies took you into my place. And you are kept there by your own pride. You should not love your pride but hate it.

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/debates/the-hatred-of-god/

What I said was a fair inference based on you claim of ending this Tom person's life. As there's no such thing as a spiritual life, there's only one thing a rational person could assume.

 

[abaddon]

That is true but I was referring to the story about jc killing a herd of pigs, after stealing them (theft) by throwing them off a cliff. I can not remember if that story is before or after his little temper tantrum killing the figs....

It also begs the question as to why there was even a herd of pigs. Why were they herding them? To what end? According to god, one can't eat them, milk them or have much to do with them. In the real world, it would be akin to herding cats. Yet somehow, according to the bible, they were herding pigs just for the fun of it. And not just ordinary pigs, demonic pigs who deserved death because jebus forced Satan into them just because. The pig-herder, whose job is utterly pointless anyway, is now rendered even more unemployed than he was in the first place, herding animals which cannot be herded and produce nothing anyone apparently wants. Now I have seen any amount of apologetics in the past to attempt an explanation for this bizarre episode but not one holds any water.

So, I will happily continue to eat my bacon. Mmmmm, bacon.

 

[bruto]

It also begs the question as to why there was even a herd of pigs. Why were they herding them? To what end? According to god, one can't eat them, milk them or have much to do with them. In the real world, it would be akin to herding cats. Yet somehow, according to the bible, they were herding pigs just for the fun of it. And not just ordinary pigs, demonic pigs who deserved death because jebus forced Satan into them just because. The pig-herder, whose job is utterly pointless anyway, is now rendered even more unemployed than he was in the first place, herding animals which cannot be herded and produce nothing anyone apparently wants. Now I have seen any amount of apologetics in the past to attempt an explanation for this bizarre episode but not one holds any water.

So, I will happily continue to eat my bacon. Mmmmm, bacon.

With regard to the first point, as I recall the swine were Gadarene, which implies that they were not owned by Hebrews. There are indeed all sorts of crazy apologetics added also, and this does nothing to help the suggestion of impropriety on the part of Jesus, but it does at least suggest that those herding the swine were not doing so with futility or hypocrisy.

One of the more amusing apologetics I read, which actually makes some sense for a brief moment before thought intervenes, is that in order to accuse Jesus of having done wrong, one has to believe the story is true - a presumed dilemma for the doubter. It is, of course, trivially true that one cannot accuse Jesus of having done wrong if one also accuses Jesus of not having existed, but one might modestly be reminded that it is possible to evaluate a story nonetheless.

 

[Zivan]

With regard to the first point, as I recall the swine were Gadarene, which implies that they were not owned by Hebrews.

We know from archeological excavations that pig bones were found at various settlements (cities, towns, villages) in the Levant.

DNA studies have been done which show they were not wild pigs. They were domesticated pigs imported from the Aegean, probably in late Bronze/Early Iron age.

 

[abaddon]

We know from archeological excavations that pig bones were found at various settlements (cities, towns, villages) in the Levant.

DNA studies have been done which show they were not wild pigs. They were domesticated pigs imported from the Aegean, probably in late Bronze/Early Iron age.

With regard to the first point, as I recall the swine were Gadarene, which implies that they were not owned by Hebrews. There are indeed all sorts of crazy apologetics added also, and this does nothing to help the suggestion of impropriety on the part of Jesus, but it does at least suggest that those herding the swine were not doing so with futility or hypocrisy.

One of the more amusing apologetics I read, which actually makes some sense for a brief moment before thought intervenes, is that in order to accuse Jesus of having done wrong, one has to believe the story is true - a presumed dilemma for the doubter. It is, of course, trivially true that one cannot accuse Jesus of having done wrong if one also accuses Jesus of not having existed, but one might modestly be reminded that it is possible to evaluate a story nonetheless.

And therein is the rub. According to the babble, pig farming was commonplace in the region at the time. Culling them was just "de riguer". And who cares that the pigs may have been Gaderene? Is porcine racism a thing now?