A Celebrity's Opinion. Who Cares?

[Dr. Keith]

Their audience has an imaginary relationship with the celebrity? That is concerning.

Not really. I think it is more of a one way relationship, not imaginary.

I listen to a podcast by a guy who shares many of my likes and dislikes. I find over time that stuff he recommends is good. If he recommends a movie I am more likely to go see it in the theater, if he recommends an album I'm more likely to buy it. If he recommended that I go on some website to cheat on my wife, I would disregard that particular advice.

So, I feel like I know him, or at lest the version of him he is publicizing, pretty well. But he doesn't know me at all. It is a very one way relationship, but it is not imaginary at all.

 

[dann]

Yep and why aids research should never be such a cause as it is political. See all the rage against lack of aids research and Reagan as a clear example.

So sick kids OK, kids in cages way to political for any celebrity.

Aids research was never political. That the Reagan administration politicized homophobia and therefore did nothing against aids doesn't make aids research political.
Trump ought to be more sympathetic to aids research since his beloved Roy Cohn was killed by aids. But since Republicans aren't related to any caged children, they don't seem to mind about those.

 

[arthwollipot]

Not really. I think it is more of a one way relationship, not imaginary.

I listen to a podcast by a guy who shares many of my likes and dislikes. I find over time that stuff he recommends is good. If he recommends a movie I am more likely to go see it in the theater, if he recommends an album I'm more likely to buy it. If he recommended that I go on some website to cheat on my wife, I would disregard that particular advice.

So, I feel like I know him, or at lest the version of him he is publicizing, pretty well. But he doesn't know me at all. It is a very one way relationship, but it is not imaginary at all.

George Hrab talks regularly about this one-way relationship he has with his audience. Not sure if that's who you are referring to, but he's a pretty good example.

 

[fuelair]

In the news in Australia we have one Israel Folau, (a rugby champ), getting a lot of attention, as a result of expressing intolerant, religiously inspired, views about homosexuals and such. Simultaneously we have Anthony Mundine, (ex boxer), talking up anti vaccination.

I wonder why people give a damn what these guys views are on these topics. It annoys the crap out of me that it gets reported. Does being a rugby player or a boxer give a guy some special insight into these issues? These uninformed and bigoted views are not news.

As to the thread title, the celebrity, at least some of his/her family, his/her manager(s), people who have a financial attachment to the celebrity otherwise, people who have an emotional attachment to the celebrity, people who make money due to the presence/activities/performances of the celebrity.

 

[Thor 2]

Well Folau has been kicked out of the team finally.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-17/israel-folau-sacked-over-social-media-posts/11090938

He is unrepentant:

"The Christian faith has always been a part of my life and I believe it is my duty as a Christian to share God's word."

His duty as a Christian to openly show hatred towards gays, atheists and so on. No doubt the hangers on who think his words are gems, will raise their voices in unison in condemnation of the authorities.

 

[rjh01]

Well Folau has been kicked out of the team finally.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-17/israel-folau-sacked-over-social-media-posts/11090938

He is unrepentant:
His duty as a Christian to openly show hatred towards gays, atheists and so on. No doubt the hangers on who think his words are gems, will raise their voices in unison in condemnation of the authorities.

I often, for laughs, look to see what the other side say. Not a good case.
https://www.acl.org.au/mr_nat_folau5#splash-signup

“Today’s announcement by Rugby Australia not only marginalises and silences a large portion of Australians who hold to the same belief as Folau, but all Christian rugby players are now being told their beliefs are incompatible with the sport they play.”

“Israel Folau’s conduct amounts to mere speech – he has done nothing criminal, he has not publicly disgraced himself, and he has not mistreated anyone. Rugby Australia’s penalty is high handed, inconsistent, and anti-Christian.”

This is factually inaccurate. The only Christian rugby players who will be impacted by this are the ones who agree with him. I have not heard any statements of support by the players of Folau. So this statement is rubbish.

He has mistreated people. That is anyone who is in a minority group.

 

[Thor 2]

I often, for laughs, look to see what the other side say. Not a good case.
https://www.acl.org.au/mr_nat_folau5#splash-signup



This is factually inaccurate. The only Christian rugby players who will be impacted by this are the ones who agree with him. I have not heard any statements of support by the players of Folau. So this statement is rubbish.

He has mistreated people. That is anyone who is in a minority group.

Yes indeed, a well balanced article.

The Christians really know how to mis-represent the facts:

".... all Christian rugby players are now being told their beliefs are incompatible with the sport they play."

No, their beliefs are incompatible with those of most of the caring, compassionate, folk in our community. They should shut up and play the game. In a Christian manner if they like .... if this can be defined.

 

[theprestige]

Well Folau has been kicked out of the team finally.



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-17/israel-folau-sacked-over-social-media-posts/11090938



He is unrepentant:







His duty as a Christian to openly show hatred towards gays, atheists and so on. No doubt the hangers on who think his words are gems, will raise their voices in unison in condemnation of the authorities.

Somebody should tell the team not to take celebrity opinions so seriously.

 

[Thor 2]

Hard to make sense of this. What team? ....... Maybe it's in code.

 

[The Atheist]

Folau's words certainly echoed in these blokes' heads. Not saying that's where the idea came from, but it shows how dangerous idiotic Levitican beliefs are: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12232937

 

[Thor 2]

Folau's words certainly echoed in these blokes' heads. Not saying that's where the idea came from, but it shows how dangerous idiotic Levitican beliefs are: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12232937

Scary stuff indeed!

If this happened in Queensland a few years ago those thugs would have the "Gay Panic" defence law at their disposal if they were charged. We have come a long way since the time when poofter bashing was cool. Unfortunately it is still cool in some parts of the world.

 

[3point14]

Are rugby shirts made of mixed cloth?

 

[quadraginta]

Somebody should tell the team not to take celebrity opinions so seriously.

I suspect it isn't the team as much as the team's management.

And not the celebrity's opinion as much as the advertisers.

 

[The Atheist]

Are rugby shirts made of mixed cloth?

More importantly, do they wear those soccer-player bras under them?

That would be pretty gay.

 

[theprestige]

Hard to make sense of this. What team? ....... Maybe it's in code.

It's a simple substitution cipher. Replace "team" with "union" and the meaning should become clear.

 

[Thor 2]

Somebody should tell the team not to take celebrity opinions so seriously.

Hard to make sense of this. What team? ....... Maybe it's in code.

It's a simple substitution cipher. Replace "team" with "union" and the meaning should become clear.

Nah ....... still don't get it. I will keep trying however as I am sure there is something really, really, deep buried in these words.

 

[Thor 2]

I suspect it isn't the team as much as the team's management.

And not the celebrity's opinion as much as the advertisers.

Perhaps surprisingly I wonder at the wisdom and effectiveness, of this kind of heavy handed discipline. Ridicule may be more effective I think. Let's all point to this Israel Folau dude and have a good belly laugh.

 

[lionking]

Perhaps surprisingly I wonder at the wisdom and effectiveness, of this kind of heavy handed discipline. Ridicule may be more effective I think. Let's all point to this Israel Folau dude and have a good belly laugh.

And have the major sponsor walk?

 

[Thor 2]

Further developments in the Israel Folau saga.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...l/news-story/1da354d9bf3a4f0c7ed1ac8e6091cb11


So Israel's dad has stopped him from making a deal by telling him, Israel, that he is going to Hell if he does this now.

These guys really play hardball don't they? No pussyfooting around just hit him with the big one! I wonder how Folau's fans will react to their hero being bossed around by his pop like that? Think he will lose some prestige maybe?

 

[rjh01]

Further developments in the Israel Folau saga.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...l/news-story/1da354d9bf3a4f0c7ed1ac8e6091cb11


So Israel's dad has stopped him from making a deal by telling him, Israel, that he is going to Hell if he does this now.

These guys really play hardball don't they? No pussyfooting around just hit him with the big one! I wonder how Folau's fans will react to their hero being bossed around by his pop like that? Think he will lose some prestige maybe?

That is behind a paywall. This is not https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news...eports/video/5a6894a1987064587b5ce56f9819b93e

I think if you do something wrong, but maintain what you have done is not wrong then that is something even worse.