A 9/11 Thread for joemailman

[bob_kark]

Hey Joe, I didn't want you to feel that you had to continue to snipe from the sidelines. As I'm certain you want to cure us of our "ignorance," I created an entire thread for you to let us know why you believe the attacks on 9/11 weren't committed by terrorists. Please, feel welcome to provide us with the evidence you have collected which has helped you to determine the "truth."

 

[WildCat]

Hey man, like he's just asking questions...

 

[joemailman]

Well, Thanks! Imagine this! A whole thread devoted just to me! I've never been so flattered. I can tell you this from the very start that if I had hard evidence of a conspiracy I wouldn't stay alive to expose it even if I knew of the least efficient way of exposing. Besides there are enough simple, black-and-white people to disbelieve it and therefore giving it zero credibility. One thing is certain though and that is that they've done an excellent job of not only pulling this off but of covering it up. After all there's a whole world of morons who can easily be manipulated. This has been obvious for thousands of years to those in control of the joystick and continues to the present day. Take your choice-Religion, Politics, cultural differences, food chemistry, paranormal activity etc.etc. The world is full of misinformation and there's no reason to trust convention and/or authority except ignorance and the inability to understand the motivations for human behavior.

In the case of WTC oil is the motivation. In the case of JFK's assassination, again oil and resources. In the case of lbj's Gulf of Tonkin fiasco again oil and resources. Read the Mar '78 edition of Scientific American for a look at the future of oil. For me the entire scenario of oil being the motivation for worldwide events fits together like a puzzle but it is people like yourself who trust and have faith in the media and your elected "officials" to provide for you all that you need to be satisfied that some moron with 100 mil in $ is interested in changing the world with a crash or two. Anyone with half a brain, and I think ObL has at least that, would know that destroying the WTC is like popping a pimple to cure cancer. Your Prez has no brain at all!

 

[Donal]

So, you have vague innuendo and empty accusations without any actual proof?

Hell, I'm convinced.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

joemailman,

Here's a suggestion. Posit one, discrete, assertion that will support your case; and provide the facts that support that assertion. We can then evaluate that assertion's veracity. After doing so, we can move on to the next discrete assertion. By doing this you can build an argument supporting your case that will stand up to scrutiny. What say you?

 

[uruk]

Everybody knows that a CT'ers facts and evidences are innuendo and associations. The conspirators would never leave hard evidence around to expose themselves. Just alot suspicious associations and odd behaviours.
Take for instance, The Gulf of Tonkin incident was not about looking for a reason to get involved in a colonial and ideological war. The French were just US government. lackys to set up the situation so that we could get all that oil in Vietnam. That's why the French hate us now. Because we used them like bi@tches in Vietnam; making them believe that they still wanted Vietnam under French colonial rule and that we hated the Russians and all.....uh wait...is there oil in vietnam?

 

[joemailman]

a. Your Prez has no brain at all..... or at the very least not very much to think with. (every speech he makes, every statement he makes is proof enough)
b. The world has a finite amount of oil available for it to consume through conventional methods of business and trade. This nation consumes far more than any other. (Mar '78 Scientific American)
c.The Saudis are running out of oil. To maintain their wealth for the next 100 years at least they must maintain control of their markets. They have nothing but oil to sustain their wealth. (Same as b.)
d. Saudis do not, because they are Arabian and Muslim men, disown their sons. (Sons are a cultural identity. Daughters are expendable. The treatment of women by these people should be proof enough)
e. No multi-millionaire has ever devoted his wealth to a social cause such as revenge for what has happened to the Palistinian or the Lebonese people. (Not provable since money donations are tax deductions).
f. Human behavior is a result of economic forces not altruism or free will decision making. (If you buy the free will story none of what I have said will make much sense).............(probably won't anyway)!

 

[joemailman]

Yes there's oil in VM. Also manganese, tungsten, and many other minerals and a huge rubber plantation previously owned by Michelin. Ownership of VN would give American business plenty of access to the entire region of Southeast Asia.

 

[Donal]

(If you buy the free will story none of what I have said will make much sense).............(probably won't anyway)!

I was going to try and argue your whole post, but that line right there actually sums it up nicely.

 

[chipmunk stew]

a. Your Prez has no brain at all..... or at the very least not very much to think with. (every speech he makes, every statement he makes is proof enough)
b. The world has a finite amount of oil available for it to consume through conventional methods of business and trade. This nation consumes far more than any other. (Mar '78 Scientific American)
c.The Saudis are running out of oil. To maintain their wealth for the next 100 years at least they must maintain control of their markets. They have nothing but oil to sustain their wealth. (Same as b.)
d. Saudis do not, because they are Arabian and Muslim men, disown their sons. (Sons are a cultural identity. Daughters are expendable. The treatment of women by these people should be proof enough)
e. No multi-millionaire has ever devoted his wealth to a social cause such as revenge for what has happened to the Palistinian or the Lebonese people. (Not provable since money donations are tax deductions).
f. Human behavior is a result of economic forces not altruism or free will decision making. (If you buy the free will story none of what I have said will make much sense).............(probably won't anyway)!

a. Therefore, he must be part of a conspiracy to...do something...or something...
b. Therefore, it served America's interests to further destabilize the largest oil-producing region in the world...or something...
c. Therefore, it was necessary to invade Iraq...or something...
d. Therefore, the Bin Ladens still love Osama, which means...something...
e. Therefore, no one would ever put their resources towards attacking a society they see as evil out of a belief that it is their duty under God...or something...
f. Therefore, since economics are so simple to manipulate , the people orchestrating the global economy control our every behavior...or something...

 

[chipmunk stew]

Yes there's oil in VM. Also manganese, tungsten, and many other minerals and a huge rubber plantation previously owned by Michelin. Ownership of VN would give American business plenty of access to the entire region of Southeast Asia.

Ownership of Vietnam?

What the bloody hell are you talking about?

 

[aggle-rithm]

a. Your Prez has no brain at all..... or at the very least not very much to think with. (every speech he makes, every statement he makes is proof enough)

And yet, he's still better educated than you probably are.

b. The world has a finite amount of oil available for it to consume through conventional methods of business and trade. This nation consumes far more than any other. (Mar '78 Scientific American)

REALLY? We had NO IDEA!

c.The Saudis are running out of oil. To maintain their wealth for the next 100 years at least they must maintain control of their markets. They have nothing but oil to sustain their wealth. (Same as b.)

Actually, experts are predicting they'll be no better off than Nigeria in 25 years. Other than that, though, your claim is painfully obvious.

d. Saudis do not, because they are Arabian and Muslim men, disown their sons. (Sons are a cultural identity. Daughters are expendable. The treatment of women by these people should be proof enough)

Evidence...?

e. No multi-millionaire has ever devoted his wealth to a social cause such as revenge for what has happened to the Palistinian or the Lebonese people. (Not provable since money donations are tax deductions).

Evidence...?

f. Human behavior is a result of economic forces not altruism or free will decision making. (If you buy the free will story none of what I have said will make much sense).............(probably won't anyway)!

Relevance...?

 

[aggle-rithm]

a. Therefore, he must be part of a conspiracy to...do something...or something...
b. Therefore, it served America's interests to further destabilize the largest oil-producing region in the world...or something...
c. Therefore, it was necessary to invade Iraq...or something...
d. Therefore, the Bin Ladens still love Osama, which means...something...
e. Therefore, no one would ever put their resources towards attacking a society they see as evil out of a belief that it is their duty under God...or something...
f. Therefore, since economics are so simple to manipulate , the people orchestrating the global economy control our every behavior...or something...

To quote Douglas Adams: If there is a sequitur hidden somewhere in joemailman's post, I am unable to devine it.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

joemailman,

Here's a suggestion. Posit one, discrete, assertion that will support your case; and provide the facts that support that assertion. We can then evaluate that assertion's veracity. After doing so, we can move on to the next discrete assertion. By doing this you can build an argument supporting your case that will stand up to scrutiny. What say you?

joemailman,

I take it from your subsequent post that you are not interested in exploring this avenue of discussion?

 

[twinstead]

joemailman,

I take it from your subsequent post that you are not interested in exploring this avenue of discussion?

I am dubious he could even if he wanted to. It appears that to some quantity of belief is more important than quality of belief.

 

[joemailman]

For Chipmunk.............Well........Apparently you have no clue!

 

[uruk]

Yes there's oil in VM. Also manganese, tungsten, and many other minerals and a huge rubber plantation previously owned by Michelin. Ownership of VN would give American business plenty of access to the entire region of Southeast Asia.

I'll be darned, There is oil in Vietnam. They rank 30th in oil producing countries.

Yea, that would give us access to the entire region of Asia. Like China maybe? Was WTC just another link in the chain to get at China's oil. Yea wouldn't it be neat like if we owned China or something? I wonder what will be he excuse for us to invade China? The president getting sick on chinese take out?

Maybe I can look at a Feb 1903 issue of Scientific American for clues.

 

[chipmunk stew]

For Chipmunk.............Well........Apparently you have no clue!

Apparently not. I have no clue what your list of seemingly unrelated points is supposed to add up to.

 

[joemailman]

Let me just end this with an understanding. I have no interest in convincing any of you of the possibility of a conspiracy. Realisticaly it won't happen. I only sorry that the great majority of Americans are so trusting of their government.....kinda like victims of retardation trusting their caretakers. It's really sad to note that the great majority of Americans are as crude and primitive as they are but.... how else could it be? So continue to trust your corporate leaders and "elected officials". It's a safe place to be.

P.S. One doesn't need hard evidence to be suspicious...just a string of coincidences...............

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Let me just end this with an understanding. I have no interest in convincing any of you of the possibility of a conspiracy. Realisticaly it won't happen. I only sorry that the great majority of Americans are so trusting of their government.....kinda like victims of retardation trusting their caretakers. It's really sad to note that the great majority of Americans are as crude and primitive as they are but.... how else could it be? So continue to trust your corporate leaders and "elected officials". It's a safe place to be.

P.S. One doen't need hard evidence to be suspicious...just a string of coincidences...............

Convince anyone? So far, you are refusing to take part in a proposed discussion methodology in which facts are presented, tested, and either proven correct or false. Your above statement suggests a process which is the antithesis of scientific methodology and the conclusions based on your process are unsubstantiated, uncorroborated, and completely disputable. Why are you refusing to take part in a process which could ultimately provide evidence critical to proving your assertions and bringing those you feel are guilty to justice?