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923 Bush administration lies = Iraq war = conspiracy

GregoryUrich

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The Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of lies that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003. Not surprisingly, the officials with the most opportunities to make speeches, grant media interviews, and otherwise frame the public debate also made the most false statements, according to this first-ever analysis of the entire body of prewar rhetoric.

Fully searchable database: http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/Search/Default.aspx

Bush Administration's 935 Lies to Iraq War Part 1 of 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz9Ew1UBBj0

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Senator Dick Durbin speaks on the House Floor concerning FISA and the 935 lies to Iraq war.

Bush Administration's 935 Lies to Iraq War Part 2 of 3
 
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what rubbish. Bush's "lies" were being said by clinton and gore in 98. Mistakes are not lies. I can't even see how some of these are lies. In fact a lot are correct. This is beyond weak.
 
The Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of lies that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003. Not surprisingly, the officials with the most opportunities to make speeches, grant media interviews, and otherwise frame the public debate also made the most false statements, according to this first-ever analysis of the entire body of prewar rhetoric.

Agreed Bush&Co. sold the U.S. public a bill a goods and the majority of the public drank the kool-aid but were does conspiracy enter the picture?
 
The Bush administration includes the House and the Senate right? So they all lied. Where do we go from here? Maybe we can fire them all and start from sratch with a new batch.

BTW Dick Durbin is one of them. Maybe he's lying too.
 
Agreed Bush&Co. sold the U.S. public a bill a goods and the majority of the public drank the kool-aid but were does conspiracy enter the picture?

100s of billions of dollars were essentially missappropriated and people died because a group of high level officials mislead the amercian public to serve their own agenda. That counts as a conspiracy and treason in my book.
 
100s of billions of dollars were essentially missappropriated and people died because a group of high level officials mislead the amercian public to serve their own agenda. That counts as a conspiracy and treason in my book.

You're not going to get me to defend Bush; I never voted for him and dislike his Administration.

That said, politics is where a detailed analysis of your 'list' needs to be done. From what I can see, there's a lot of ideological bias woven into it and perhaps some clearer eyes need to look at it.

Just saying.
 
100s of billions of dollars were essentially missappropriated and people died because a group of high level officials mislead the amercian public to serve their own agenda. That counts as a conspiracy and treason in my book.

Umm, treason against the United States is defined in Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Neither your opinion nor mine have any bearing on that.

I agree with some of the other posters in this thread. This subject would be much better transferred to the Politics sub-forum. It doesn't have much to do with the sort of conspiracy theories this sub-forum is dedicated to.
 
100s of billions of dollars were essentially missappropriated and people died because a group of high level officials mislead the amercian public to serve their own agenda. That counts as a conspiracy and treason in my book.

The key word his is ‘mislead’ which is not the same as lying or conspiring.

My impression is that Bush&Co. actually believed (or wanted to believe) that there were real WMDs in Iraq. The ‘case’ they made was pretty pathetic and it’s no credit to those of the gullible public who bought it. (The same public who is overwhelming against the war now it should be added.)

If Bush genuinely thought we were going to war for good reasons, he was not ‘conspiring’ with anyone to commit a criminal act, he was merely an ideologically driven idiot. The shame is on him but also on his supporters in the U.S. public who allowed themselves to be deceived.
 
I wonder how most of these "lies" square with the fact that Saddam was trying to mislead everyone into believing he had WMDs to appear strong to Iran,and that he was just waiting for sanctions to lift before starting the programs up again.

And yes, this should be in politics. There's conspiracy here on the Iraqi side, but no conspiracy theories.
 
This is an old post at SLC forum by FIREFIGHTER01...
http://screwloosechange.xbehome.com/index.php?showtopic=1930&st=20

---Edited for brevity, bad words.

its interesting to see what people said PRIOR to not finding the WMDS.
http://www.freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
Statement on US Led Military Strike Against Iraq
December 16, 1998
http://www.house.gov/pelosi/priraq1.htm



"In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now -- a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."

President Clinton
Address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff
February 17, 1998
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/17/...s/clinton.iraq/


"The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world.

The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people."

President Clinton
Oval Office Address to the American People
December 16, 1998
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/199...ts/clinton.html


"Dear Mr. President: ... We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraq sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."

Sincerely,

Carl Levin, Joe Lieberman, Frank R. Lautenberg, Dick Lugar, Kit Bond, Jon Kyl, Chris Dodd, John McCain, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Alfonse D'Amato, Bob Kerrey, Pete V. Domenici, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Mikulski, Thomas Daschle, John Breaux, Tim Johnson, Daniel K. Inouye, Arlen Specter, James Inhofe, Strom Thurmond, Mary L. Landrieu, Wendell Ford, John Kerry, Chuck Grassley, Jesse Helms, Rick Santorum.

Letter to President Clinton
Signed by Senators Tom Daschle, John Kerry and others
October 9, 1998
http://www.iraqwatch.org/government/US/Let...in-10-9-98.html




Regime change in Iraq has been official US policy since 1998:

The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (sponsored by Bob Kerrey, John McCain, and Joseph Lieberman, and signed into law by President Clinton) states:

"It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
105th Congress, 2nd Session


America is threatened by an "unholy axis":

"We must exercise responsibility not just at home, but around the world. On the eve of a new century, we have the power and the duty to build a new era of peace and security.

We must combat an unholy axis of new threats from terrorists, international criminals, and drug traffickers. These 21st century predators feed on technology and the free flow of information... And they will be all the more lethal if weapons of mass destruction fall into their hands.

Together, we must confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons and the outlaw states, terrorists, and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."

President Clinton
State of the Union address
January 27, 1998

http://clinton5.nara.gov/textonly/WH/SOTU98/address.html

http://www.usemb.ee/union98.php3


"Dear Mr. President:

The events of September 11 have highlighted the vulnerability of the United States to determined terrorists. As we work to clean up Afghanistan and destroy al Qaeda, it is imperative that we plan to eliminate the threat from Iraq.

This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs.

The threat from Iraq is real, and it cannot be permanently contained. For as long as Saddam Hussein is in power in Baghdad, he will seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. We have no doubt that these deadly weapons are intended for use against the United States and its allies. Consequently, we believe we must directly confront Saddam, sooner rather than later.

Mr. President, all indications are that in the interest of our own national security, Saddam Hussein must be removed from power."

Sincerely,

Congressman Harold Ford (Democrat, Tennessee)
Senator Bob Graham (Democrat, Florida)
Congressman Tom Lantos (Democrat, California)
Senator Joseph Lieberman (Democrat, Connecticut)


Senator Sam Brownback (Republican, Kansas)
Senator Jesse Helms (Republican, North Carolina)
Congressman Henry Hyde (Republican, Illinois)
Senator Trent Lott (Republican, Mississippi)
Senator John McCain (Republican, Arizona)
Senator Richard Shelby (Republican, Alabama)



Letter to President Bush
December 5, 2001
http://www.house.gov/ford/12_06_01a.htm



September 29, 1998
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/.../980929-in2.htm
 
The key word his is ‘mislead’ which is not the same as lying or conspiring.

My impression is that Bush&Co. actually believed (or wanted to believe) that there were real WMDs in Iraq. The ‘case’ they made was pretty pathetic and it’s no credit to those of the gullible public who bought it. (The same public who is overwhelming against the war now it should be added.)

If Bush genuinely thought we were going to war for good reasons, he was not ‘conspiring’ with anyone to commit a criminal act, he was merely an ideologically driven idiot. The shame is on him but also on his supporters in the U.S. public who allowed themselves to be deceived.

Well put Walter. I am far from a Bush Fan, or Cheney, but I think one has to be careful in what accusations are thrown around.

I have seen no proof that the intelligence about Iraqi WMDs was fabricated at any level, though I suspect it may have been at lower levels, then submitted as fact/good intelligence to the higher ups.

I also feel that the Bush Admin was so eager to go to war with Saddam, that they bought what ever intelligence promoted their agenda with little if any probing, scrutiny, or doubt.

Once again, we can speculate all we want that the WMD intelligence was "made up" and by whom, but without evidence it is all just speculation.

Bring the EVIDENCE for us to have a look...thats all we ask.

TAM:)
 
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Please prove that Bush didn't actually believe there were WMDs in Iraq, and how did he know? If Bush knew there were no WMDs in Iraq but still told the American public, et. al., there were, that is lying. But how did Bush know there were no WMDs in Iraq? Had he been there? Had he searched the whole country above ground and below ground? I'm confused.

Thank you.
 
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