911: The chain of evidence

@all: I leave for now. I hope there is a discussion going on. I was not joking when i opened this thread.


the original poster said she was leaving. lets please drop this thread, it was obviously a hit and run and there are TONS of similar threads already. i always feel bad seeing how well this works...
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Hi, i am missing the chain of evidence for the theory that the 19 alleged highjackers commited the mass murder of September 11th 2001.

Please provide all sources but one - the "9/11 Commission"-Report.

I will agree...but first I'll need you to explain why the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

Please provide all sources but one - the "The Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica" - Report.

:rolleyes:

-z
 
the original poster said she was leaving. lets please drop this thread, it was obviously a hit and run and there are TONS of similar threads already. i always feel bad seeing how well this works...
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FWIW, I think she meant that she had too leave the discussion at the present time (in another post the empress has indicated she is 10,000 miles from Florida, indicating an Austra-Asian posting site IMHO, so based that she has made 40+ posts over a couple of days and has been much politer than DJ ever aspired to, I think we owe her the benefit of the doubt (IMHO as always).

And while I also tend to concur with the apparent consensus that there may be an ulterior motive behind her question (i.e., that the 19 conspirators did not originate from Al-Queda and maybe weren't involved at all), it might not hurt (as an exercise) to provide a link or two on the chain of evidence--if for no other reason than for others who browse this thread.

For they are unlikely to get it from Loose Change or any site such as that.

Just my tattered two Egyptian Pounds worth...
 
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13288953/

Al-Qaeda admits it was behind 9/11 and names the 20th hijacker.

“Turki bin Fheid al-Muteiri -- Fawaz al-Nashmi -- may God accept him as a martyr (was) the one chosen by Sheikh Osama bin Laden to be the martyrdom-seeker number 20 in the raid on September 11, 2001,” the statement said.

“The (Sept. 11) operation was brought forward for some circumstances that brother Mohamed Atta explained to the general leadership,” it said, indicating that Muteiri could not join the other hijackers, led by Atta, in time.
 
Hi, i am missing the chain of evidence for the theory that the 19 alleged highjackers commited the mass murder of September 11th 2001.

Please provide all sources but one - the "9/11 Commission"-Report.
Seeing as there is no criminal trial for the accused hijackers and never will be one, can you provide a sprocket of logic as to why a chain of evidence is even necessary?

Please provide all sources but one - Hopsicker.
 
Gravy asked me if i really believe that there is no evidence for the "19 Highjackers"-CT and i said yes. Am i wrong?
Yes. And the fact that you ignore the Commission Report (and its many cited sources that you can check for yourself) is evidence of your wrongness. You may disagree with the conclusions, and you may be suspicious of the sources, but to say there is NO evidence is just aggressive confirmation bias.
 
Hi, i am missing the chain of evidence for the theory that the 19 alleged highjackers commited the mass murder of September 11th 2001.

Please provide all sources but one - the "9/11 Commission"-Report.

You are asking us to reproduce the efforts of the 9/11 Commission. Those being
About the Commission | Report | Hearings | Staff Statements | Press | Archive | For Families
Frequently Asked Questions About the 9-11 Commission

What is the Commission's mandate?

When was the Commission created, and when is it supposed to report?

How is the Commission staff organized?

How many people serve on the Commission staff?

What is the Commission's budget?

How many people have you interviewed?

Will President Bush and President Clinton meet with the Commission?

Are you satisfied with the current level of cooperation you have been receiving?

Was the Commission able to review the Presidential Daily Briefs (PDBs)?

Has the Commission used its power of subpoena?

What is the Commission’s view of the Report of the Joint Inquiry?

What is the Commission's mandate?

* The Commission's mandate is to provide a “full and complete accounting” of the attacks of September 11, 2001 and recommendations as to how to prevent such attacks in the future.

Specifically, Section 604 of Public Law 107-306 requires the Commission to investigate "facts and circumstances relating to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001," including those relating to intelligence agencies; law enforcement agencies; diplomacy; immigration, nonimmigrant visas, and border control; the flow of assets to terrorist organizations; commercial aviation; the role of congressional oversight and resource allocation; and other areas determined relevant by the Commission for its inquiry.

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When was the Commission created, and when is it supposed to report?

* The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (known as the 9-11 Commission) was created by Public Law 107-306, signed by the President on November 27, 2002. P.L. 107-306 originally required the Commission to report to the President and Congress 18 months after enactment, or no later than May 27, 2004. Recently Congress passed and the President signed legislation which extends the reporting deadline by two months, to July 26, and the termination date by 30 days, to August 26. This additional time will allow the Commission to fulfill its mandate.

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How is the Commission staff organized?

* In response to the requirements under law, the Commission has organized work teams to address each of the following eight topics:
o Al Qaeda and the Organization of the 9-11 Attack;
o Intelligence Collection, Analysis, and Management (including oversight and resource allocation);
o International Counterterrorism Policy, including states that harbor or harbored terrorists, or offer or offered terrorists safe havens;
o Terrorist Financing;
o Border Security and Foreign Visitors;
o Law Enforcement and Intelligence Collection inside the United States;
o Commercial Aviation and Transportation Security, including an Investigation into the Circumstances of the Four Hijackings;
o The Immediate Response to the Attacks at the National, State, and Local levels, including issues of Continuity of Government.

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How many people serve on the Commission staff?

* The Commission has nearly 80 full-time employees, contractors, and detailees on staff. All the Commissioners and staff have received the security clearances they need to carry on the investigation.

The Commission has been highly successful in attracting the talents of an experienced, outstanding group of professionals, including a former Deputy Director of Intelligence, a former State Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General, a professor of international history and foreign intelligence from Harvard, experts on cross-border money transfers, several former federal prosecutors, and several staff from the Congressional Joint Inquiry.

What is the Commission's budget?

* Public Law 107-306 provided for the reprogramming of $3 million for the Commission. Congress subsequently appropriated, and the President signed into law, an additional $11 million appropriation for the Commission. Recent legislation authorized an additional $1 million, bringing the Commission’s total budget to $15 million.

The Commission is confident that it can fulfill its mandate with this amount. We appreciate very much the support of Congress and the President for this level of funding.

How many people have you interviewed?

* As of March 15, 2004, we have interviewed more than 1000 individuals in ten countries. The Commission has also held ten days of public hearings to date, during which it received testimony from 110 federal, state, and local officials, and experts from the private sector.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/about/faq.htm#q4

This is not feasible. What is feasible, is for you to say, "I have issues/questions/etc with point X (or Y or Z) from the report." and then we discuss those issues/questions/etc.
 
One wonders if we'll be asked to produce the exact dimensions of millions of individual graves over in Europe, next.
 
You are asking us to reproduce the efforts of the 9/11 Commission. Those being
http://www.9-11commission.gov/about/faq.htm#q4

This is not feasible. What is feasible, is for you to say, "I have issues/questions/etc with point X (or Y or Z) from the report." and then we discuss those issues/questions/etc.
Not so fast, Arkan. In my spare time I have reproduced the efforts of the Commission. I'm just waiting to use it as a debunk to DJLegacy's debunk of my debunk.
 
FWIW, I think she meant that she had too leave the discussion at the present time

maybe you're right, time will tell. from my relatively limited experience here i have seen quite a few people who get kicks from stirring up a mess and running.
 
What is the Commission's budget?

* Public Law 107-306 provided for the reprogramming of $3 million for the Commission. Congress subsequently appropriated, and the President signed into law, an additional $11 million appropriation for the Commission. Recent legislation authorized an additional $1 million, bringing the Commission’s total budget to $15 million.

Hmmmm. That's a bit more than the CT'ers were claiming.
 
Not so fast, Arkan. In my spare time I have reproduced the efforts of the Commission. I'm just waiting to use it as a debunk to DJLegacy's debunk of my debunk.
You realize, of course, I must now send my dog to your house to poop in your shoes, don't you?
 
One wonders if we'll be asked to produce the exact dimensions of millions of individual graves over in Europe, next.

Or a complete account of the evolution of single cell lifeform into human...

Or a complete proof of the non-existence of God...
 
NIST funding for their investigation:
The agency received $16 million for the investigation in September 2002 from the FY 2002 supplemental appropriation. NIST redirected $3.4 million in fiscal year 2002 to begin a three-part plan in response to the WTC disaster. The FY 2003 appropriation included an increase of $3 million for related research and development.
wtc nist gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs htm
Last dot-free URL now I've reached 15 posts.
 
NIST funding for their investigation:

Last dot-free URL now I've reached 15 posts.

So we have, what, roughly US$15 million for the Commission and another US$22.4 million for NIST? Yeah, I'd say US$37.4+ million for an investigation is significant.
 
So we have, what, roughly US$15 million for the Commission and another US$22.4 million for NIST? Yeah, I'd say US$37.4+ million for an investigation is significant.
I assume NIST must have had other funding, too, as they've continued working on this & still have the WTC7 report to do. & as chipmunk stew points out, there are also the costs of the other agencies investigations. What did the FBI & CIA spend investigating 9/11, for instance?
 

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