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Clayton Moore said:
During the so called "collapse" how do you take away all those huge steel columns at an equal pace, floor by floor, with the majority of each floor that is without huge steel columns?
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What is this? I mean what the hell is this?!? I don't even... I'm rendered speechless by this stundie worthy stupidity.
 
beachnut said:
The core was for gravity loads. The shell of the WTC was for lateral loads. The system used to connect the core to the shell enabled the core to add additional lateral stiffness. The WTC was a system.
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One minor point, the shell, i.e. perimeter columns carried about 45% of the gravity load as well as the lateral loads :)
 
Hi guys, i need to ask a quick favour. I am at work at doing this on my phone and searching around is taking ages. I am just trying to settle something with a friend at work. I think that the pilots of the planes that hit the towers were trained and had a pilots licence, my friend says otherwise and goes so far as to say they never even learnt to land a plane. I am sure that can't be true.
If anybody out there could let me know the facts so i can settle it with him i would be grateful.

Many thanks :)
 
Animal said:
One minor point, the shell, i.e. perimeter columns carried about 45% of the gravity load as well as the lateral loads :)
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Jaynbob42 said:
Hi guys, i need to ask a quick favour. I am at work at doing this on my phone and searching around is taking ages. I am just trying to settle something with a friend at work. I think that the pilots of the planes that hit the towers were trained and had a pilots licence, my friend says otherwise and goes so far as to say they never even learnt to land a plane. I am sure that can't be true.
If anybody out there could let me know the facts so i can settle it with him i would be grateful.

Many thanks :)
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Hanjour gained his FAA commercial pilot certificate in April 1999, getting a "satisfactory" rating from the examiner. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hani_Hanjour
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They all had FAA tickets to fly.
Your buddy has used google, and forgot to use his mind. Not thinking for himself, is he lazy, or what?

The rest of the evidence is out there, somewhere.
 
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BrianH said:
So, not only was there no gravity involved, but there was no collapse either?
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Ape of Good Hope said:
They definitely collapsed, Clayton.
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dafydd said:
So called collapse?
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NoahFence said:
"So called" collapse?
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Heh. My attempt at CT-style mental contortions: You'll note that his exact phrase was [so called "collapse"]. Typically, putting quotes around a word denotes doubt about its usage. It's essentially the equivalent of saying [so called collapse]. So, Clayton Moore's phrase can be expanded to [so called so called collapse]. This is very much like a double negative and therefore can be reduced to [collapse].

*cough*

Jaynbob42 said:
Hi guys, i need to ask a quick favour. I am at work at doing this on my phone and searching around is taking ages. I am just trying to settle something with a friend at work. I think that the pilots of the planes that hit the towers were trained and had a pilots licence, my friend says otherwise and goes so far as to say they never even learnt to land a plane.
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I believe all of the hijacker pilots had commercial licenses. More information here: http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Flight_School_Dropouts
 
Thanks for the info guys. I thought that would be the case. I don't really know much about 911 myths so always get thrown for a loop when mates say stuff like that.
I am guessing my mate has watched a "history channel presentation", about it :-D

Thanks again guys.
 
Mudcat said:
So why call it the "so called 'collapse'"? That's just confusing.
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I assume Clayton is clinging to his own pet concept of CD: to blast a building's mass to kingdom come with explosives. He's been told repeatedly that gravity does most of the work no matter the method of demolition, but has never acknowledged that he understands/believes this.
 
brazenlilraisin said:
He's been told repeatedly that gravity does most of the work no matter the method of demolition, but has never acknowledged that he understands/believes this.
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Wouldn't that be the safest way to CD a building though? I'd imagine OSHA would have a few things to say to people just "blowing it to kingdom come".
 
brazenlilraisin said:
I assume Clayton is clinging to his own pet concept of CD: to blast a building's mass to kingdom come with explosives. He's been told repeatedly that gravity does most of the work no matter the method of demolition, but has never acknowledged that he understands/believes this.
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Clayton has yet to present evidence of any kind to substantiate his arguments.
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brazenlilraisin said:
I assume Clayton is clinging to his own pet concept of CD: to blast a building's mass to kingdom come with explosives. He's been told repeatedly that gravity does most of the work no matter the method of demolition, but has never acknowledged that he understands/believes this.
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Has he ever stated how many tons of explosives were used to turn huge buildings into dust?
 
Mudcat said:
Wouldn't that be the safest way to CD a building though? I'd imagine OSHA would have a few things to say to people just "blowing it to kingdom come".
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OSHA is a government agency; therefore, they are in on it just like everyone else. C'mon, man, you're not even trying anymore.
 
Clayton Moore said:
During the so called "collapse" how do you take away all those huge steel columns at an equal pace, floor by floor, with the majority of each floor that is without huge steel columns?
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Others here have addressed the problems in your architectural understanding already. But the short answer to your question is: gravity. As the top floors accelerate downward their potential energy becomes kinetic energy that exceeds the static loads for which the lower floors were designed. They then add to the force experienced by the still lower floors, collapsing them. Also during the collapse the weight carefully distributed on appropriate load bearing elements in the intact building shifts to design elements not designed to bear it, adding to the catastrophic chain reaction of the collapse.

Clayton: you once indicated you worked with computers: You must have had physics. Come on- you understand this already, don't you? Buildings "want" to fall- it's keeping them up that is the tricky part!
 
Giordano said:
Others here have addressed the problems in your architectural understanding already. But the short answer to your question is: gravity. As the top floors accelerate downward their potential energy becomes kinetic energy that exceeds the static loads for which the lower floors were designed. They then add to the force experienced by the still lower floors, collapsing them. Also during the collapse the weight carefully distributed on appropriate load bearing elements in the intact building shifts to design elements not designed to bear it, adding to the catastrophic chain reaction of the collapse.

Clayton: you once indicated you worked with computers: You must have had physics. Come on- you understand this already, don't you? Buildings "want" to fall- it's keeping them up that is the tricky part!
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What took out the HUGE columns? Were they really just over stretched slinkys? The huge columns could only fail to the/a side. In order to fail/fall they would have to provide erratic resistance to your so called "gravity collapse."
 
Clayton Moore said:
What took out the HUGE columns? Were they really just over stretched slinkys? The huge columns could only fail to the/a side. In order to fail/fall they would have to provide erratic resistance to your so called "gravity collapse."
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Aw c'mon.
 
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