Could 9/11 by covered up via MILDEC or PSYOP techniques, plus media control?
I don't have a lot of time these days, so I won't develop this idea very far. Sorry, but that's the way it goes.
The intellectual godfather of this thread is Are the WTC collapse-initiation mechanisms being cloaked by MILDEC. Some people (including a moderator) complained that the thread was getting side-tracked into "economics and the media".
However, debunkers have maintained, over and over, that massive deception, ala 911 perpetration and coverup by the US government, is not possible. Again and again, debunkers have presented this as a general argument, which is to be applied to the specific case of 911.
Therefore, at least those debunkers that have presented this sort of argument have no justification to whine when that general argument is contradicted. To this end, illustrating the falsity of the debunker's general argument, by drawing from government deception in a non-military context, is quite legitimate. In any event, I have made the title of this thread broader, so nobody should complain about straying from the topic. I have defined the topic, and the topic should interpreted as "Can massive deceptions by the government occur, in any context, and what can we infer about 1) the plausibility of a similarly massive deception on 911 and 2) the plausibility of a similarly massive deception in 'explaining' 9/11 (i.e., coverup)."
According to Walter Burien, the public discoverer of CAFR's: Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports:
The CAFR's represent a second set of books, by various levels of government (state, country, local; I think there's a Federal one, also), listing asset categories that total over 100 trillion dollars. There's also revenue streams associated with these assets, totaling a few trillion dollars per year.
The CAFR's are hidden from the public, though Burien managed to get his hands on some samples for each state. (See http://cafr1.com/STATES/ for a sample from your state.) They are not mentioned in the mainstream media. As some of the people who get a copy "each and every year" are the directors and CEO's of ABC, CBS, and CNN, it's not like it's a complete secret, either.
I don't want to take the time (right now, anyway), to copy relevant parts of Are the WTC collapse-initiation mechanisms being cloaked by MILDEC. Suffice it to say that the key jumping off point is Max Photon's argument about Paulson's "constructive" lie regarding Fannie and Freddie.
The following isn't much of an argument, since it relies on what I'll call a vague summary argument by Burien, who knows a lot of details about the general subject (CAFR's), but doesn't really apply them convincingly in his most recent statements.
He may not apply these details because he can't, or because he didn't want to go to the trouble. However, it seems clear that he knows enough details - truly massive amounts of assets, whose genesis is the public, being hidden from the public, both overseas as well as in the form of stocks of NYSE listed companies - to make a reasonable inference, but hasn't nailed it down.
Well, below I've bolded some of Burien's recent statements, which I read today, in the form of a public email to his email list . :
I dont' know much about derivatives, but I believe that they are typically highly leveraged. IOW, if the CAFR accounts are profiting on short derivatives, they are making far more $$$$ than is being lost by stockholders - including CAFR entity stockholders. Hence, for those people profiting from these same CAFR short derivatives (say by managing them, or 'lending' them short-term money, all for fees), they are also cleaning up, big time.
Another way of putting this is: Even the great Max Photon may have been deceived. A key purpose of the $700 billion bailout (which was widely criticized by economists), as well as Paulson's Fannie/Freddie lie which preceeded it, may not have been "constructive", at all. Instead, they may have both been in the service of market manipulation, allowing for greater profits to short derivative positions, which will greatly exceed any losses from straightforward losses resulting from a "pumped and dumped" stock market.
It's quite fair to call this informed speculation. However, like 911, the scale of the deception (at the public interest) is so large that it not only points to systemic corruption - it also points to the likelihood that the sorts of honest investigations that we would need to figure out "where the bodies are buried" (i.e., the details) will never be done.
A good overview of what I think of as "the mother of all conspiracies" - the CAFR's - is here.
I don't have a lot of time these days, so I won't develop this idea very far. Sorry, but that's the way it goes.
The intellectual godfather of this thread is Are the WTC collapse-initiation mechanisms being cloaked by MILDEC. Some people (including a moderator) complained that the thread was getting side-tracked into "economics and the media".
However, debunkers have maintained, over and over, that massive deception, ala 911 perpetration and coverup by the US government, is not possible. Again and again, debunkers have presented this as a general argument, which is to be applied to the specific case of 911.
Therefore, at least those debunkers that have presented this sort of argument have no justification to whine when that general argument is contradicted. To this end, illustrating the falsity of the debunker's general argument, by drawing from government deception in a non-military context, is quite legitimate. In any event, I have made the title of this thread broader, so nobody should complain about straying from the topic. I have defined the topic, and the topic should interpreted as "Can massive deceptions by the government occur, in any context, and what can we infer about 1) the plausibility of a similarly massive deception on 911 and 2) the plausibility of a similarly massive deception in 'explaining' 9/11 (i.e., coverup)."
According to Walter Burien, the public discoverer of CAFR's: Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports:
The CAFR's represent a second set of books, by various levels of government (state, country, local; I think there's a Federal one, also), listing asset categories that total over 100 trillion dollars. There's also revenue streams associated with these assets, totaling a few trillion dollars per year.
The CAFR's are hidden from the public, though Burien managed to get his hands on some samples for each state. (See http://cafr1.com/STATES/ for a sample from your state.) They are not mentioned in the mainstream media. As some of the people who get a copy "each and every year" are the directors and CEO's of ABC, CBS, and CNN, it's not like it's a complete secret, either.
I don't want to take the time (right now, anyway), to copy relevant parts of Are the WTC collapse-initiation mechanisms being cloaked by MILDEC. Suffice it to say that the key jumping off point is Max Photon's argument about Paulson's "constructive" lie regarding Fannie and Freddie.
The following isn't much of an argument, since it relies on what I'll call a vague summary argument by Burien, who knows a lot of details about the general subject (CAFR's), but doesn't really apply them convincingly in his most recent statements.
He may not apply these details because he can't, or because he didn't want to go to the trouble. However, it seems clear that he knows enough details - truly massive amounts of assets, whose genesis is the public, being hidden from the public, both overseas as well as in the form of stocks of NYSE listed companies - to make a reasonable inference, but hasn't nailed it down.
Well, below I've bolded some of Burien's recent statements, which I read today, in the form of a public email to his email list . :
I dont' know much about derivatives, but I believe that they are typically highly leveraged. IOW, if the CAFR accounts are profiting on short derivatives, they are making far more $$$$ than is being lost by stockholders - including CAFR entity stockholders. Hence, for those people profiting from these same CAFR short derivatives (say by managing them, or 'lending' them short-term money, all for fees), they are also cleaning up, big time.
Another way of putting this is: Even the great Max Photon may have been deceived. A key purpose of the $700 billion bailout (which was widely criticized by economists), as well as Paulson's Fannie/Freddie lie which preceeded it, may not have been "constructive", at all. Instead, they may have both been in the service of market manipulation, allowing for greater profits to short derivative positions, which will greatly exceed any losses from straightforward losses resulting from a "pumped and dumped" stock market.
It's quite fair to call this informed speculation. However, like 911, the scale of the deception (at the public interest) is so large that it not only points to systemic corruption - it also points to the likelihood that the sorts of honest investigations that we would need to figure out "where the bodies are buried" (i.e., the details) will never be done.
A good overview of what I think of as "the mother of all conspiracies" - the CAFR's - is here.
