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9/11 witness virtual world event

BigAl said:
You can learn as much and more by reading the books in the list I posted in this thread.
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I prefer technologic development and why not give people a chance to show where they walked and write what they saw and heard in different positions in the disaster.

Then when people look at the virtual movie they will see thousands of people walking around under the disaster and see what they saw and heard, where they were and build their own picture of it.
Also give them the possibility to filter out people who do not fit together with other peoples witness statements.

I think it would be very interesting to see how it would look like in a virtual world and how it would filter out events when they where correlated by thousands of witnesses.

It is a different angle than to read about it and our brain is made to see and hear the world for 100 000 of years.
Reading is a new brain activity thats been done for the last 100 years for the big mass of population. People in general learn better by seeing and hearing and can then work with the information better.

I think it would be a interesting mass witness technology.

Peace

M.Sc. Magi
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I think the people that lived it would rely on their memory of the day. Not a stupid VR pit.

How can I spell this out for you so that you understand.

PEOPLE ******* DIED!! We don't waant to relive that day anymore than we have to. Its an abundantly dumb idea. People moved to other cities so that they wouldn't have to be reminded every day of tat horrid day, myself included.

Please, if you feel the need to continue this project, go right ahead. But, I can guarantee that you won't get as many people as you think you will participating.
 
And the people who WOULD participate would likely all be lying about where they were, since the people who were actually THERE would flat out refuse to do it.

You don't seem to get that concept, magi, so let me spell it out for you in big letters you can't miss, I hope. *ahem*

THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE IN NEW YORK ON THAT DAY AND WITNESSED THAT EVENT DO NOT WANT TO RE-LIVE IT, WHETHER IN A VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENT OR OTHERWISE.

Do you get it yet? People DIED that day. Many of them friends and coworkers of the people you'd be asking to do this. They don't WANT to remember it or relive it in any way, shape, or form. Can you PLEASE get that through your head so we can all move on with our lives? Sheesh...
 
Sabrina said:
And the people who WOULD participate would likely all be lying about where they were, since the people who were actually THERE would flat out refuse to do it.

You don't seem to get that concept, magi, so let me spell it out for you in big letters you can't miss, I hope. *ahem*

THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE IN NEW YORK ON THAT DAY AND WITNESSED THAT EVENT DO NOT WANT TO RE-LIVE IT, WHETHER IN A VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENT OR OTHERWISE.

Do you get it yet? People DIED that day. Many of them friends and coworkers of the people you'd be asking to do this. They don't WANT to remember it or relive it in any way, shape, or form. Can you PLEASE get that through your head so we can all move on with our lives? Sheesh...
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Your nickname is well deserved. I start to feel all tingly when you lay waste with the +5 Flamethrower of Reason.

I'll just excuse myself now.
 
magi5 said:
I prefer technologic development and why not give people a chance to show where they walked and write what they saw and heard in different positions in the disaster.

Then when people look at the virtual movie they will see thousands of people walking around under the disaster and see what they saw and heard, where they were and build their own picture of it.
Also give them the possibility to filter out people who do not fit together with other peoples witness statements.

I think it would be very interesting to see how it would look like in a virtual world and how it would filter out events when they where correlated by thousands of witnesses.

It is a different angle than to read about it and our brain is made to see and hear the world for 100 000 of years.
Reading is a new brain activity thats been done for the last 100 years for the big mass of population. People in general learn better by seeing and hearing and can then work with the information better.

I think it would be a interesting mass witness technology.

Peace

M.Sc. Magi
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JoeyDonuts said:
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Your nickname is well deserved. I start to feel all tingly when you lay waste with the +5 Flamethrower of Reason.

I'll just excuse myself now.
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The "Citizen Kane" clip is very apporprate, in this thread since Magi5 is the ONLY person who thinks a "VR 9/11" is a good idea.
Just like Kane was the only person in the Opera House who thought his wife's singing was any good....
 
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magi5 said:
It is a different angle than to read about it and our brain is made to see and hear the world for 100 000 of years.
Reading is a new brain activity thats been done for the last 100 years for the big mass of population. People in general learn better by seeing and hearing and can then work with the information better.
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Oh, like making up whatever the hell you want? The 9/11 movement attracts liars and embellishers almost as much as the local VFW watering hole.

Trust me on this - anyone who went through that hell isn't going to want to have anything to do with a project like this. Who would that leave?

It's subjective, unfalsifiable, riddled with fundamental scientific problems without even CONSIDERING the ethical aspect.
 
Written language has been around for thousands of years as well; it can be traced as far back as the cuneiform tablets from ancient Sumeria (now Iraq). So reading is not a new activity. As for it being new for the "majority" of people in the last hundred years, this is also inaccurate as far as I can tell, because numerous folks went through the three R's (reading, "riting", "rithmetic", or more correctly, reading, writing, and arithmetic) from the time of colonization in the US onward, and let's not even touch on the numerous folks, both noble and common alike (shopkeepers, tailors, various worker folk) who also had to be able to read across the Atlantic in Europe and other countries.

In short, your premise is utter bull:rule10
 
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magi5 said:
I prefer technologic development and why not give people a chance to show where they walked and write what they saw and heard in different positions in the disaster.
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Why don't you read the books to get an idea of the scale of the horror at WTC on 9/11? In my experience, Twoofer have no idea how big "WTC" was by any measure.

I live in the suburb of NYC that had the largest number of victims of 9/11, including lots of first responders and therefor has the largest number of survivors and families of victims. People still remember but it's rare to hear talk about the shared experience. It seems to be considered bad form to ask about it in general.

I guess we can't stop you from setting up a card table in front of one of the medical centers dedicated to the workers that breathed the on and after 9/11. You'll meet lots of people. Good luck. I live near one and maybe I'll see you.

 
triforcharity said:
I think the people that lived it would rely on their memory of the day. Not a stupid VR pit.

How can I spell this out for you so that you understand.

PEOPLE ******* DIED!! We don't waant to relive that day anymore than we have to. Its an abundantly dumb idea. People moved to other cities so that they wouldn't have to be reminded every day of tat horrid day, myself included.

Please, if you feel the need to continue this project, go right ahead. But, I can guarantee that you won't get as many people as you think you will participating.
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People have made movies about disasters all the time.
What is the difference from letting people making a virtual movie about a disaster than making a ordinary movie.

There is already a movie made about 911 so why isnt that a problem for you?
If you do not want to see the 911 movie because you do not want to relive it then you dont see it. Its the same with this virtual mass witness 911.
If you do not want to relive it you just do not log in to it and see it.

Its just different versions of it and a virtual movie made by witnesses and other people just give people a possibility to see the movie as they want from any camera angle or zoom as they want and filter out people as they want.

M.Sc. Magi
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magi5 said:
What is the difference from letting people making a virtual movie about a disaster than making a ordinary movie.
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Let's go with the blindingly obvious -- one uses ACTORS the other uses VICTIMS.
 
I remember an interview that came out around the first anniversary of the terrorist attacks of 9/11. It was fairly short, but unforgettable. The interviewer was speaking to an elderly man who was a shop owner not far from the WTC on 9/11. At the end of the interview he was asked what his most vivid memory of that day is. The man spoke of walking out the front door of his shop immediately after the first plane hit, and seeing a persons shoe on the sidewalk. The shoe had someone's foot still in it.

Real people, with real families were brutally murdered by terrorists that day. We DO NOT NEED some idiotic troofer 9/11 video game/sim or whatever the hell you want to call it. This is a sick, disgusting idea.

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Magi,
I'm really not sure what kind of data you would glean from your little sim. What do you think it would prove?

If you did do this, and managed to get people to talk, you would probably hear stories like the one my friend told me.

He was in NYC on 9/11 on business, and near the trade centers. After the first tower started to collapse, he grabbed the hand of stranger, that didn't seem to know what to do, and began to run. When the dust cloud completely enveloped them, all went black, and if was difficult to see or breath. When the woman he was with started panicking that she couldn't breath and started screaming she was going to die, he took the shirt from his back and gave it to her to use as a dust mask. They both found their way into a small store, where the store owner was passing out bottles of water, so that people could wash the dust from their eyes. One man in the store pulled out a wad of cash out of his pocket and offered to pay for everyone's water. The store owner refused.

Sometimes bad things bring out the best in people. There were 1000's of heroes that day. Some of them died.

Have a little respect.
 
All of magi5's arguments seem to come from someone who is unable to comprehend empathy.
 
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