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9-11 real calls?

JSanderO

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I received an email from my friend Professor Paul Zarembka who I met and spent time with when I was engaged with the truth movement. I consider him to be an intelligent and honorable person. He did some analysis of the financial matters related to insider trading as he is a professor of economics at U of Buffalo and wrote a compilation book about 9/11 The Hidden Histories of 9-11-2001.

We stay in contact and he has asked my reaction to various things such as the downed plane in the Ukraine a number of years ago. I like and respect Paul.

This am I received a link to an article he wrote about a 9/11 novel written by a woman named Rebekkah Roth whose bonafides is that she was a former airline flight attendant.

I find the main point she makes confusing and incomprehensible... that the actual flights on 9/11 were flown to Westover AFB in western MA... where the passengers were deplaned... calls were actually made (under duress or prompting???) and then they were gassed and disposed of. She claims the base had been evacuated days in advance so this operation could take place with no witnesses of course!

She doesn't explain why the pilots would do this? Were they in on it? Or were they killed as well... patsies... used to get the real passengers on board and have staged hijacking and then everyone was killed and disposed of.

But does this seem a bridge way too far... trying to shoe horn some 9-11 facts into some totally off the wall hardly possible scenario. The planes that hit the towers were drones of course. Dismiss all evidence that renders this theory a fantasy and argue it as if it were fact based presenting it as a stupid novel (exploitation anyone?) and doing all manner of interviews.

https://truthandshadows.wordpress.c...sion-and-what-happened-to-the-planes-on-9-11/
 
The "truthandshadows" blog is Craig McKee.

McKee currently writes for AE911Truth.
He's a Pentagon no-planer.
 
I find the main point she makes confusing and incomprehensible... that the actual flights on 9/11 were flown to Westover AFB in western MA... where the passengers were deplaned... calls were actually made (under duress or prompting???) and then they were gassed and disposed of. She claims the base had been evacuated days in advance so this operation could take place with no witnesses of course!
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Every bit as plausible as controlled demolition in NYC, or no plane striking the Pentagon.
In other words, not.
 
It's nothing more than a symptom of the screwed up thought processes of conspiracy theorists.

Assume for the sake of argument some sort of MIHOP scenario: Which makes more sense?
1. Hijack the planes (or take them over by remote control if you prefer) and fly them into the buildings, killing the passengers and destroying the buildings (perhaps with the help of some explosives/thermite, if you must).
2. Evacuate some military base, fly the planes there, kill the passengers, hide the planes, and fly some other planes into the buildings complete with vicsims, and alter serial numbers, planted DNA, etc. so it looks like you did number 1.
 
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The guy is a BS artist. Professor Paul Zarembka from University at Buffalo can't figure out there was no insider trading? Big fail, guess he never traded stocks and understands much past being a poor professor who bores his students. Professor Paul Zarembka from University at Buffalo brings up the BS hijackers are alive. Professor Paul Zarembka from University at Buffalo says the identity of the hijacker is not known, ignoring the fact 9 DNA profiles exist, plus a few from the WTC. Gee, he is not a good professor, as simple research exposes him as a BS artist who can't do more than spread BS based on BS.

Professor Paul Zarembka from University at Buffalo makes up BS of the lack of intercepts for a hijacking, exposing total ignorance of USAF and NORAD. He has zero knowledge of the military with respect to 911 and hijacking. NO clue Professor Paul Zarembka from University at Buffalo - BS, his only product. The big delusion is his Pentagon Air Defenses, and he has no clue the Pentagon sits right next to an airport where airliners fly almost over the Pentagon every single day. What a failed nut.

Professor Paul Zarembka from University at Buffalo add icing to the fruit cake of his knowledge with no clue what hit the Pentagon. He entertains 77 was not 77, but something else. Clueless Professor Paul Zarembka from University at Buffalo.

Professor Paul Zarembka from University at Buffalo takes many 911 truth lies and nonsense, and repeats them. He uses hearsay to form BS.

Got to love the SAM site at the Pentagon that wipes out anything that comes to the Pentagon. Love it.

Your friend is a no plane super faster than free-fall 911 truth cult member.


https://truthandshadows.wordpress.c...sion-and-what-happened-to-the-planes-on-9-11/

The behavior of attendants is particularly important as Roth knows how they are trained for a hijacking eventuality. She also examines how the conversations of attendants and passengers don’t make sense, something that has often been addressed by researchers,
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It was not a hijacking, the terrorists killed their way to take over the planes, it was not a typical hijacking, and the conversations do make sense, since each human is an individual who had no clue what was going to happen on 911. Where do these sick people come from spreading lies about 911. It has to be a mental illness, combined with shallow research, paranoia, and BS.
 
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The link references a book called Hijacking America's Mind on 9/11: Counterfeiting Evidence by Elias Davidsson. Has anyone read this?
 
JSanderO said:
...I find the main point she makes confusing and incomprehensible... that the actual flights on 9/11 were flown to Westover AFB in western MA... where the passengers were deplaned... calls were actually made (under duress or prompting???) and then they were gassed and disposed of. She claims the base had been evacuated days in advance so this operation could take place with no witnesses of course!

She doesn't explain why the pilots would do this? Were they in on it? Or were they killed as well... patsies... used to get the real passengers on board and have staged hijacking and then everyone was killed and disposed of.

But does this seem a bridge way too far... trying to shoe horn some 9-11 facts into some totally off the wall hardly possible scenario. The planes that hit the towers were drones of course. Dismiss all evidence that renders this theory a fantasy and argue it as if it were fact based presenting it as a stupid novel (exploitation anyone?) and doing all manner of interviews.

https://truthandshadows.wordpress.c...sion-and-what-happened-to-the-planes-on-9-11/
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Yeah, the claim is sheer lunacy. One thing that solidly refutes it is the radar data. BCR's done many a post on the topic. I think I recall him even visiting area airports as part of his research (although an AF Base would probably not have been on the itinerary... I just don't remember...).
 
If something is unlikely to have happened because it is unlikely to have happened then it is unlikely to have happened.

A good rule to follow..
 
This link was posted because ... it seems to be something new... and I thought this forum would find it interested to see what the truth movement is up to these days. The theory looks completely nonsense to me... amazing that anyone would buy the book or buy into the "thinking".

Again it interests me to see intelligent people being taken in by such snake oil.
 
JSanderO said:
I find the main point she makes confusing and incomprehensible... that the actual flights on 9/11 were flown to Westover AFB in western MA... where the passengers were deplaned... calls were actually made (under duress or prompting???) and then they were gassed and disposed of. She claims the base had been evacuated days in advance so this operation could take place with no witnesses of course!
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I want to know where she got this idea? Westover has been open and active since it opened in 1939.
 
JSanderO said:
This link was posted because ... it seems to be something new... and I thought this forum would find it interested to see what the truth movement is up to these days. The theory looks completely nonsense to me... amazing that anyone would buy the book or buy into the "thinking".

Again it interests me to see intelligent people being taken in by such snake oil.
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Con artistry

When I hear someone say that only stupid people fall for fraud, I feel like asking for that person's phone number. But here's the thing: I didn't want to talk to stupid people, because stupid people don't have $50,000 lying around to give me. You would be amazed at how many doctors, lawyers, engineers and college professors I ripped off.
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Professor Paul Zarembka from University at Buffalo, the hearsay 911 truth expert - what ever Professor Paul Zarembka from University at Buffalo says about 911 is wrong.

The SAM site at the Pentagon is... How does a professor repeat idiotic claims? The 10 terrorists still alive... wow

The google bot likes "Professor Paul Zarembka from University at Buffalo".

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The link references a book called Hijacking America's Mind on 9/11: Counterfeiting Evidence by Elias Davidsson. Has anyone read this?
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Elias Davidsson says, "There is no evidence that Muslims committed the crime of 9/11" - Liar. Thus we have another book by a 911 truth liar.

Do we have another mentally ill liar on 911, or is Davidsson just plain stupid... someone who denies the 19 terrorists who did 911, Elias Davidsson wrote a book? lol, it is not a book, it is BS which fools people who can't think for themselves.

I think that is the book which makes the claims there is no evidence of Muslim hijakcers; thus the dolt Davidsson ignores DNA. Is Davidsson an idiot, or liar?

How does Davidsson come up with evidence (fake evidence) that at least two of the four aircraft were still airborne after the alleged crash time? An idiot, or is Davidsson selling idiot lies to people who fail to figure out 911.

Davidsson has further problems with phone records; Does Davidsson brag he has the most exacting and comprehensive analysis of the phone calls said to have been made from the aircraft? So?

Follow the money, Davidsson, out to make money, selling lies, like Gage does. Mocking the murder of thousands with dumbed down lies.
 
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JSanderO said:
This link was posted because ... it seems to be something new... and I thought this forum would find it interested to see what the truth movement is up to these days. The theory looks completely nonsense to me... amazing that anyone would buy the book or buy into the "thinking".
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I've seen this sort of thing before; there's a whole genre of 9/11 CTs that addresses the problem of what happened to the real passengers if the planes that hit the Pentagon and the Twin Towers either weren't real or were replacement drones for the planes that went missing. I think your friend may well be intelligent and honourable, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have any blind spots; the page you link to has a full collection of 9/11 woo references, and his uncritical acceptance of the truth movement canard that cell phones don't work above 1800 feet is a very bad sign, as is the apparent lack of concern at Roth simply rejecting all radar evidence out of hand. Roth's "theory" is nonsense, of course, but Zarembka gives it more attention than it deserves.

Dave
 
About time those people were hauled into the public eye and made to pay for their insanity.
The families of victims -could- and should sue them for the many claims they've made
 
George 152 said:
About time those people were hauled into the public eye and made to pay for their insanity.
The families of victims -could- and should sue them for the many claims they've made
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Why? Outside of obscure internet forums they rarely cause any harm. They certainly don't attract enough attention so victims would ever know they exist (unless they looked). You're coming close to suggesting someone should be held responsible for being mentally ill.
 
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The phenomena of intelligent people without technical background buying into snake oil is interesting to me. PZ is an intelligent and honorable person and knows that I am not supporting the truther stuff. I have discussed it with him but for some reason he allows the crazy stuff to convince him. And he's not the only one.

So where are the real truth seekers who, for example visit 9/11freeforums which seems to be a calm and rational site... Never see any truthers over there... I think.
 
JSanderO said:
The phenomena of intelligent people without technical background buying into snake oil is interesting to me.
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Me too. I find it fascinating that well educated individuals can lack logic and reason when it comes to assessing phenomena outside their dedicated field, or within it for that matter.

I'm more interested in this than which part failed first or whatever. That is not to discredit the technical argument at all, as that is still very interesting material.
 
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