9-11 Presentation at NMSR, May 19 2010

[bill smith]

Between you and ergo, this is all you can do. No physics, no math, no idea what happen on 911 so you make fun of those who died by spreading lies and idiotic claims from a failed movement.

Posting off topic seals the deal, you and ergo don't do science. You adopt lies and apologize for terrorists, and bill calls firemen liars due to her ignorance and inability to understand similes.

Gather round now Beachnut and I will explain.......

If you want to better understand why the firemen's statements often use simile instead of positive declarations of controlled demolition read the following.

The real fact of the matter is that all of those firemen knew that planes had struck the buildings. This fact alone conditioned them away from considering that the explosions they heard could have had anything to do with controlled demolition. So it is all the more remarkable to hear their descriptions virtually describing a controlled demolition despite their very good reasons for discounting that very possibilty.

Do you now understand the point that the firemen would have been making definite allegations of controlled demolition if they had not seen or known about the planes ?

Instead of their uncertainty shown in the statements in this link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ4dVo5QgYg Firemen's Testimony- Study

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Gather round now Beachnut and I will explain.......

If you want to better understand why the firemen's statements often use simile instead of positive declarations of controlled demolition read the following.

The real fact of the matter is that all of those firemen knew that planes had struck the buildings. This fact alone conditioned them away from considering that the explosions they heard could have had anything to do with controlled demolition. So it is all the more remarkable to hear their descriptions virtually describing a controlled demolition despite their very good reasons for discounting that very possibilty.

Do you now understand the point that the firemen would have been making definite allegations of controlled demolition if they had not seen or known about the planes ?

Instead of their uncertainty shown in the statements in this link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ4dVo5QgYg Firemen's Testimony- Study

In other words, Bill's a no-planer now.

I saw a similar screed from another no-planer who basically said that the reason they needed to prove there were no-planes that hit the towers was because the planes made it too easy to explain the towers collapses without magic thermite/space-beams/micro-nukes.

What Bill is saying is that the towers collapsing after being struck by 140 ton sledge hammers at 500 miles per hour makes too much sense.

 

[Disbelief]

In other words, Bill's a no-planer now.

No, Bill is a troll. He is just looking for attention, as he demonstrated by saying the FFs were liars because he knew what the response would be. If everyone would stop feeding him in multiple threads, he disappears.

While MM and C7 truly believe, Bill just wants people to look at him.

 

[beachnut]

I gave a 9-11 presentation last night at the monthly meeting of NMSR, New Mexicans for Science and Reason.

My slides are online here.

The slides explain a physics model for the twin towers collapse; the video of the comparison of model results to actual is online here:

The PDF has results, compares them to Bazant, etc.

Comments welcomed!

Cheers, Dave Thomas

The topic of the thread. 911 truth, no clue what happen on 911, no clue what the topic is.

Dave sums up 911.

“I accept the overwhelming evidence that the towers and pentagon were attacked by Muslim terrorists using hijacked planes.”

Based on reality, like using facts and evidence, the truth is found. 911 truth makes up moronic fantasies out of ignorance and ignores reality and spreads lies. 9 years of failure has not stopped a fringe few from spreading delusions that are incredibly stupid.​

911 truth can't comprehend why sounds, sound like explosions. Simile. 911 truth will take bodies hitting the ground, which sounded like explosions, and use those statements as proof for their delusions.​

“Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes”
There are many causes of loud noises besides explosions: car crashes, rockslides, etc.
Expulsion of air inside the tower floors produces puffs of smoke resembling “squibs”

I remember the first time I saw "squib" used by 911 truth. I have seen explosives go off, and at my location glass was broken. The air puffs fooled the dolts in 911 truth to make up lies. They are void of knowledge and experience, most will recover and cringe when they try to think how they were fooled; a cheap lesson in fraud is what 911 truth is best for.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

No, Bill is a troll. He is just looking for attention, as he demonstrated by saying the FFs were liars because he knew what the response would be. If everyone would stop feeding him in multiple threads, he disappears.

All truthers believe the firefighters are in on it. They have to. There's no other way to make their theories work in light of firefighter testimony and the overall refusal by the first responders to support them.

Most of them are quite stupid, yet they posses just enough sense to know that saying what they believe in respect to the first responders is PR poison. Most truthers can eventually be tricked into saying too much and it's often amusing watching them try to bluster and BS and backtrack in a vain attempt to put the genie back into the bottle (Redibis falls into this category).

Others are so stupid, they don't have that kind of restraint and they'll just say it flat out.

Guess which category Bill falls under?

While MM and C7 truly believe, Bill just wants people to look at him.

All truthers are trolls. Their movement has collapsed, trolling is all they have left. I have little doubt that Bill is also a believer.

 

[X]

Oh FFS


I can't stand watching ergo tapdance around his obvious ignorance of physics any longer.

Here's a fairly simple free-body-diagram for you.

If you don't understand what is being shown, then either educate yourself or shut up.

 

[DGM]

Oh FFS


I can't stand watching ergo tapdance around his obvious ignorance of physics any longer.

Here's a fairly simple free-body-diagram for you.

If you don't understand what is being shown, then either educate yourself or shut up.

I'm fairly certain he will claim your diagram "defies the laws of physics" (then will argue about it for days and never state how).

 

[triforcharity]

10-1 says he won't know what it means.....

 

[AZCat]

AZ. please leave the bad troll alone. let him sulk under his dark bridge. best not to tempt the troll unless you have the three billy goats gruff with you.

Sorry - I've been helping a couple of our young engineers study for the E.I.T. and am in "teaching" mode.

 

[excaza]

Free body diagrams are technical drawings?

Wow.

 

[TruthersLie]

Free body diagrams are technical drawings?

Wow.

And here I figured it was like the sports illustrated swimsuit issue only better.... (manga version)

 

[beachnut]

Oh FFS


I can't stand watching ergo tapdance around his obvious ignorance of physics any longer.

Here's a fairly simple free-body-diagram for you.

If you don't understand what is being shown, then either educate yourself or shut up.

Will the physics expert come back and explain his claims?

 

[TruthersLie]

Bump for ERGO.

Come on, have you figured out how a FBD works yet? With all of that physics knowledge... (have you even figured out how to use a stopwatch yet?)