9/11 Means Fight Back

[materia3]

Paraquat? Yeah, and how much effect has that had?

Fantasy worlds are nice. You can always imagine how the US could just wipe out the Evil Opium with Magic Dust. And ignore how many people will inhale the Magic Dust. Because that's Not Your Problem™. Just like all the leftists imagined that the Magic Sanctions would solve all problems, and nobody would die. Except then it became politically expedient to say that it made children die. And that's Not Your Problem™ either. And You Didn't Say It, It Must Have Been Somebody Else. All sorts of fun things can happen when there is no accountability. Let's Just Find a Way to Split the Water Molecule Without Energy. What, you can't? You Pawn of the Scientific Establishment.

You got that right. It's not our problem and in war it never is. Its okay to kill our civilians but god forbid some dope farmer inhales paraquat. Agreed paraquat is not the best way to go.

Napalming, fire from the sky, the opium crops into oblivion and keep doing so until they stop planting dope and switch to food crops is more dramatic. The farmers and war lords would catch on more likely than with a genetically modified poppie, plant pests or the use of herbicides. Wimpy methods all.

 

[Patrick]

It is INSANE to believe that nobody will behave like terrorists ever again if we magically stamp out 'al Qaeda'.

This is a profound and impressive argument - I will carefully consider it. Why the scornful quotes? Do you also think it's insane to believe the organization exists? Uh.....OK.

It is INSANE to believe that nobody will devise a new form of attack.

It's insane to believe you are functionally literate - I already suggested as much in this thread. It is PRECISELY because there are a billion new forms of attack that defense will never work - leaving offense. If you think THAT won't work, you appear to have ruled out both offense and defense. What does that leave us with, O sane one? Just sit back like euros have for 60 years and remain calm while we are destroyed by "terrorists" with box cutters? That's .... insane.

It is INSANE to believe that terrorists HAVE to import anything through 'secret' means to do vast damage. IT HAS NOT BEEN NECESSARY for successful terrorist attacks. If they can get the bodies in, or the message in to willing bodies, the attack can happen.

Again, I ALREADY AGREED with that - that's the reason why they'll stop only when they're dead! We have to make them dead!

don't know about you, but the current US president seems to feel it's a good idea.

He threw a dart into the world map to pick a "random" country??? Gosh, I better join the appeasers - I had no idea!

He became a trusted ally as soon as he declared war on Iran, and stayed your trusted ally right until his troops entered Kuwait.

You don't know what you're talking about. The reason was just as I said, to keep Iran from overrunning the middle east - it was a temporary realpolitik act that required both sides to hold their noses, much in that regard like the temporary alliance of the chinese communists and nationalists in WWII to fight the japanese.

There are lots of Timmies like him out there.

And they've been blowing up lots of government buildings? Great scott! - I missed that on the news!

 

[Seismosaurus]

He threw a dart into the world map to pick a "random" country??? Gosh, I better join the appeasers - I had no idea!

He certainly appears to have done just that.

Either that, or he thought he had good reason and is just breathtakingly incompetent and/or surrounded by such incompetence.

Or, of course, he just took the opportunity to invade for reasons other than the "war on terrorism".

Take your pick. I don't know which option I find more scary.

 

[evildave]

Or Dubya planned to invade Iraq anyway and used al Qaeda as his excuse.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/US/oneill_charges_040113.html

And they've been blowing up lots of government buildings? Great scott! - I missed that on the news!

Hmm, how many more buildings have Al Qaeda crashed into? By your "reasoning", they're not a threat anymore.

The single-quotes around 'al-Qaeda' indicate what you're calling 'al-Qaeda', which seems to be a genericised term for you. Your argument runs along the line of: If they stopped making the 'Kleenex' brand, facial tissue would cease to exist.

 

[Patrick]

He certainly appears to have done just that.

Yep, I see what you mean .... had to be random. It's not like Saddam ever carried out genocide in his own country or anything. Did he EVER have any WMD schemes? HAHA - no! That breeder reactor, for example, was just for electricty - ya see, Iraq doesn't have any oil or anything and has to rely on nukes. Did he EVER use gas on civilians? Nope. Long range missiles? Just for independence day. And "threat"? - HA HA HA! - as if he ever INVADED anyone with an ARMY!! HEE HEE! Yep, you're right - Bush just picked something at random - could have been Togo, Iceland, Lichtenstein - darn near anything!

 

[Patrick]

Hmm, how many more buildings have Al Qaeda crashed into? By your "reasoning", they're not a threat anymore.

Whhhaaaaaaatttttt? Al Qaeda has blown up all kinds of things -- a U.S. warship, a spanish train, an apartment building in saudi arabia, a nightclub and embassy in indonesia, a synogogue in turkey, attacked a school in russia --- you missed all this on the news???

Uh, give it up. Trying to compare Al Qaeda with McVeigh originally made you appear a dope -- accept your dope demerit and go on -- by desperately trying to defend your original dope statement you only make yourself appear to be a sore loser dope.

 

[evildave]

Hmm, how many more buildings have Al Qaeda crashed into? By your "reasoning", they're not a threat anymore.

Whhhaaaaaaatttttt? Al Qaeda has blown up all kinds of things -- a U.S. warship, a spanish train, an apartment building in saudi arabia, a nightclub and embassy in indonesia, a synogogue in turkey, attacked a school in russia --- you missed all this on the news???

Uh, give it up. Trying to compare Al Qaeda with McVeigh originally made you appear a dope -- accept your dope demerit and go on -- by desperately trying to defend your original dope statement you only make yourself appear to be a sore loser dope.

A "sore loser dope", eh? Talk about the amazing levels of discourse to be found here.

Give what up? Trying to talk sense you? OK. It's obvious there isn't anything on the other end of this conversation worthy of holding a discussion with.

 

[Cleon]

This is a profound and impressive argument - I will carefully consider it. Why the scornful quotes? Do you also think it's insane to believe the organization exists? Uh.....OK.

Because, contrary to what Mr. Hannity and Mr. Bush tell you, "Al-Qaeda" as an organization doesn't exist. Its existence as a centrally run organization is a complete and total myth, designed to make the "war on terror" somehow seem more winnable than the war on drugs, war on poverty, and the war on crappy TV.

Al-Qaeda is a network. And a loose one, at that. It's not splitting hairs or nitpicking to point out the difference; it's a very important distinction. If it were a tightly knit organization, it would be a lot easier to get rid of. Instead, it's a network of like-minded organizations, individuals, and small cells. You could wack bin Laden, or destroy an entire organization within it, and the network would remain fairly intact.

 

[Seismosaurus]

He certainly appears to have done just that.

Yep, I see what you mean .... had to be random. It's not like Saddam ever carried out genocide in his own country or anything.

Sure he did. So what?

Did he EVER have any WMD schemes?

Sure he did. So what?

Did he EVER use gas on civilians?

Sure he did. So what?

HEE HEE! Yep, you're right - Bush just picked something at random - could have been Togo, Iceland, Lichtenstein - darn near anything!

See, this is called changing the goalposts. We started off arguing about how to deal with terrorism. Now you're trying to justify the invasion of Iraq in terms of genocide and attacks against Kuwait and whatnot, none of which have anything at all to do with terrorism.

Now I don't shed any tears for the demise of Saddam's regime, and I think it's kind of amusing that he's currently sat in a cell somewhere wearing orange..

But if you want to go around invading every country that you don't like, or every country which is run by a Nasty Man who kills people, or even every country that purely coincidentally happens to be sitting on top of a big load of oil, then step up and admit it. Don't try to pretend that it has anything to do with fighting terrorism, because it doesn't.