9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[twinstead]

I am constantly shocked at the lengths ideologues will go to rationalize their delusions. I'm beginning to seriously suspect 9/11 actually believes what he is saying is fact and is legitimately puzzled why we (and of course by we I mean just about the rest of the flippin' world) don't "get it".

But, that's the subject for a sociological or psychiatric exercise, I suppose, and not the conspiracy section.

 

[uke2se]

Baloney. Until the start of the war in 1939 Hitler had killed hundreds (with many of his own party members). Stalin and his henchmen had already killed millions. They are incomparable. Prove me wrong.

Sure. After the war Hitler and his henchmen had also killed millions. They are most certainly comparable when it comes to body-count. What makes Hitler and his Nasties stand out is the systematic and hate-filled brutality of their killings.

Mwoah, you started using the phrase "your kind of people"...

Yes, because on you (and Dogzilla which was at whom the comment was directed) it actually applies. You are a Nazi-apologist, a neo-Nasty and a Jew hater. You're the exact kind of person who committed the holocaust 66 years ago.

you are a neobolshevik, meaning trying to unite the world under one ideology.

Sorry, nope. Unless you can dig up any posts of mine where I spew communist rhetoric, this is just another lie from you. Heck, I even vote center-right.

Just replace 'class enemy' with 'racist' and we have your ideology captured.

No, that would be you projecting again.

The 3rd world is your new proletariat.

You're starting to ramble.

Your ideology will bring the US down just, like bolshevism in the end auto-destroyed Russia.

I'm still not American, chump.

Total equality as a principal will kill any society.

Which you can't prove, which means this is just more bluster and fantasy from you. Have fun in the loony-bin, Nazi.

Germany was never 'allied' with Stalin, start reading about history.

Yes, they where. Start reading about history.

A non-agression agreement is not an alliance.

But the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was far more than a non-aggression agreement - not that it would matter, as you're simply wrong here.

Britain, US and USSR, they were real allies, meaning fighting against a common enemy, including giving each other material support, a fact of eternal shame to the Anglos.

And so where Nazi Germany and the USSR. They even divided a nation between them.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oIAhQMTG-...army-poland-1939-ww2-second-world-war-011.jpg

A lovely snap shot of German and Soviet officers getting friendly in Poland in 1939.

 

[Nonpareil]

I'm beginning to seriously suspect 9/11 actually believes what he is saying is fact and is legitimately puzzled why we (and of course by we I mean just about the rest of the flippin' world) don't "get it".

He does, and he is.

It's rather frightening.

 

[Hans]

Also the Germans and Soviets shared technology - they helped the Germans develop weapons when it was against the V-treaty. They were very helpful to one another at one level.

One example

The German raider Komet was assisted by the Soviets in transiting the Arctic sea to emerge in the Pacific. From the wiki

Prior to being sent to the Northern Sea Route, the Komet was equipped with a special strengthened bow and a special propeller suitable for ice navigation. Under the command of Kapitän zur See (later Konteradmiral) Robert Eyssen, HSK7 departed for her first raiding voyage from Gotenhafen on 3 July 1940 with a crew of 270. With the consent of the then neutral Soviet Union, Komet initially made its way along the Norwegian coast disguised as the Soviet icebreaker Semyon Dezhnev. While waiting in Teriberka Bay in July and August because of Soviet security concerns, she took the fake name the Donau. With assistance from Soviet icebreaker Lenin, she passed through the several Arctic Ocean passages in August. She later also received help from Joseph Stalin. In early September, the Komet crossed the Bering Straits into the Pacific Ocean.

 

[Wroclaw]

Baloney. Until the start of the war in 1939 Hitler had killed hundreds (with many of his own party members). Stalin and his henchmen had already killed millions. They are incomparable. Prove me wrong.

So...Hitler wasn't as bad because he killed people later?

Really?

 

[Wroclaw]

Stalin and his henchmen had already killed millions.

The proof for that statement is no more valid than any of the proof for the Holocaust. In fact, there's probably less evidence for that statement.

 

[dudalb]

Not to mention that Stalin ordered the Communist Party of the UK to oppose the war, even at the height of the battle of Britain.

 

[dudalb]

The proof for that statement is no more valid than any of the proof for the Holocaust. In fact, there's probably less evidence for that statement.

I disagree; there is more then enough proof that Stalin and his Merry Men has the blood of millions on their hands before World War 2 started. Read about what happened in the Ukraine some time, not to mention the purges.
But once WW2 started Hitler worked overtime to do Stalin better in the Mass Murder Department.

 

[Wroclaw]

I disagree; there is more then enough proof that Stalin and his Merry Men has the blood of millions on their hands before World War 2 started. Read about what happened in the Ukraine some time, not to mention the purges.
But once WW2 started Hitler worked overtime to do Stalin better in the Mass Murder Department.

That's not the point. The point is the abundance of evidence for either crime. In the case of Stalin, it is much, much lower.

I have no personal doubt that Stalin murdered millions upon millions. I'm just interested in hearing our little friend defend a massive double-standard concerning evidence.

 

[Hans]

I think we could agree that Stalin and Hitler were two sides of the same bloody coin. Both were monsters. Stalin became a co-bellligerent when his current ally, Hitler, double crossed him and attacked. As soon as the greater threat of Hitler and his allies were gone Stalin and the western democracies went back to disliking one another- intensely.

Who was worse Stalin or Hitler? About the same, both blood thirsty tyrants. Who was the greatest threat to humanity? Hitler was - the German economic (capitalistic) system was far superior to the communist one. Fascism wouldn't have collapsed economically like the Communist one finally did.

 

[Hans]

I disagree; there is more then enough proof that Stalin and his Merry Men has the blood of millions on their hands before World War 2 started. Read about what happened in the Ukraine some time, not to mention the purges.
But once WW2 started Hitler worked overtime to do Stalin better in the Mass Murder Department.

If Neo-Soviets began to deny the gulags and other mass murders you'd have a similar case with the Neo-Nazis and their denial of the holocaust. Both well proven and fact but both can be denied with equal non-success.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

I guess all those jews that my GrandParents hid in the attack were just there for kicks...they just told my Mum (then 12 years old) to keep walking and not look back if the Nazis ever came to the house.....

I guess all those bodies at the concentration camp my dad visited whilst with the British Army were all "vicsims"???

I guess all those meticulous records the Nazis kept were just made up for fun to make them seem really nasty????

Sometimes I wish hell existed because it would still be too good for the likes of Holocaust deniers.

 

[Craig4]

When was it ever tried? Never.

American judge van Roden confirmed that almost all German defendants testicles were kicked 'beyond repair', signed statements in English and were subjected to court proceedings carried out by the victors of the war. Any sane person would reject such a procedure. But hey, were are dealing with Anglos here in stead, that is our former run away colony that completely got out of hand and even came back to rape mother Europe with the ugliest criminal America could find: the USSR.

Fortunately the designers of the holo-strategy never foresaw the rise of the internet that connects every computer on the planet, completely circumventing the media monopoly these holo-designers once enjoyed. And apart from the silly West, a suicidal political entity that will not exist for another 10 years, the rest of the world could not care less about this sob story, that is dead in the water. In 1980 every East-European was a communist, in 1990 only a few diehards. Will not be different with the H-word.

That's nice. You're still shut out with no seat at the table, irrelevant and unimportant. No one in a position of influence in their right mind would risk being associated with you. You're arguing that 2+2=5. Why should we care what you have to say?

 

[dudalb]

That's not the point. The point is the abundance of evidence for either crime. In the case of Stalin, it is much, much lower.

I have no personal doubt that Stalin murdered millions upon millions. I'm just interested in hearing our little friend defend a massive double-standard concerning evidence.

Thanks for the clarification.
It is just there are "Stalin Deniers" out there who try to deny that Stalin's crimes happened, and that is is all captalistic propaganda, etc. Their tactics pretty much are a Bizarro version of the Holocaust denier's methods.

 

[dudalb]

If Neo-Soviets began to deny the gulags and other mass murders you'd have a similar case with the Neo-Nazis and their denial of the holocaust. Both well proven and fact but both can be denied with equal non-success.

Oh, there are people out there who are going down that route,with the claim that the crimes of Stalin have been "greatly exxagerated".

 

[Craig4]

I'm curious as to the infatuation with the Nazis. The Nazis deliberately sought the judgment of war and were found to be inferior (I've read much of the thread regarding who started the war and we need not take it seriously). Their state was destroyed and partitioned. It's a crime to this day in Germany to deny the Holocaust or show the Nazi flag. Their destruction at the hands of their betters was utter and complete. They weren't even as good as the Japanese who were able to get concussions in their treaty. Who would want to idealize people who failed so completely?

 

[MG1962]

I guess all those jews that my GrandParents hid in the attack were just there for kicks...they just told my Mum (then 12 years old) to keep walking and not look back if the Nazis ever came to the house......

Okay no cliff hangers. Tell us the rest of what I suspect is a fascinating story.........Did for instance, the Nazis ever come?

 

[Hans]

Oh, there are people out there who are going down that route,with the claim that the crimes of Stalin have been "greatly exxagerated".

Hah I deny the existence of these Gulag deniers! LOL

 

[tsig]

I'm curious as to the infatuation with the Nazis. The Nazis deliberately sought the judgment of war and were found to be inferior (I've read much of the thread regarding who started the war and we need not take it seriously). Their state was destroyed and partitioned. It's a crime to this day in Germany to deny the Holocaust or show the Nazi flag. Their destruction at the hands of their betters was utter and complete. They weren't even as good as the Japanese who were able to get concussions in their treaty. Who would want to idealize people who failed so completely?

It's not that Hitler failed but that the German people failed Hitler! We shall not fail Der Fuhrer!/stormtroop mode off

 

[dudalb]

Hah I deny the existence of these Gulag deniers! LOL

Before the powers that be at Wikipedia locked the article, there were days when any mention of the Ukraine famine or the Gulag dissaperead from the Wikipedia article on Joseph Stalin. In fact the Stalin article became exhibit one for those of us who had real problems with the accuracy level of Wikipedia.