9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[Nonpareil]

So trojan admits the library, the theater, the cinema, the hospital as well as people writing home twice a month and Red Cross people all over the place, nevertheless these evil Germans managed to kill a large number of Jews inconspicuous to the rest of the world. You see, the inmates were too busy amusing themselves in the theater, 50 yards down the road, to notice what happened to some of their fellow inmates.

What a fool you must be to believe that.

All of your claims about these buildings are nonsense, as I explained in one of my previous posts.

 

[sonofgloin]

You are a crafty weasel... In the future I will word my question more carefully.

In the link that 9/11 posted in reply to you was this statement

Although officially Jews have never made up more than five percent of the country's total population,5 they played a highly disproportionate and probably decisive role in the infant Bolshevik regime, effectively dominating the Soviet government during its early years. Soviet historians, along with most of their colleagues in the West, for decades preferred to ignore this subject. The facts, though, cannot be denied.

A major contributor to anti semitic sentiment comes from the observation of the Jews having over representation in positions of control, and it is a fair and valid observation. Were Jews in key positions in the driving force behind the Russian revolution, absolutely. Have Jews held prominant positions in all the societies they live in, absolutely. Is there an international conspiracy of Jewery, absolutely not, it's every man for themselves in a society where they are identified as a defined sub set group within that society.

Why are successful Jews over represented in those societies? They strive to attain knowledge, wealth and power, no miracle, no international conspiracy just drive and tenacity. In the city I live in there has been a migration of a particular ethnic group who came 40 years ago and did the jobs the locals would not do, some became the buisness owners and as a group they prospered. With the money came political aspirations and ascendance to positions of control. The odd bigoted comment I hear about them could apply to the Jews of Europe 60 years ago. Human nature is so predictable, but the observation that Jews have and have had a dis proportionate representation in academia, commercial and political or administrative positions is fact, but as I said currently in my town we are giving the Jews a break and focussing on another driven dynamic ethnic group.

 

[TSR]

We have discussed the results of Krege earlier in this thread. It was obvious to all what was available and what was not. Why do you bring it up again in page 65 again?

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No, you repeated lies about what a non-existent report supposedly found.

Now, I'm asking that you actually *cite* this report, or provide a link.

Because otherwise, we only have what one liar claims another liar did.

You *do* have a link to the Report, then?
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[Ignorantbystander]

So far, the theory was that the deported Jews never made it further east than the 'extermination camps'.

theory by who?

you posted this fact as evidence that Treblinka was a transit station. Now there's no mention that these deported Jews went through Treblinka.
So there goes your argument, and then you come up with the strawman that the 'theory' says that Jews were never deported beyond the extermination camps.

BTW It's also not that hard to find out what eventually happened to these Jews deported to Minsk and Riga.

 

[Arkyrion]

You know what? I think 9/11 has the right idea.

The Holocaust was obviously a lie. Just because Hitler had both the means, motivation, and political backing to accomplish the mass murder or millions of Jews has absolutely no bearing on whether or not he did. And you know what else? Just because he had the means, motivation, and political backing to accomplish the invasion of Poland, France, and the Soviet Union, it clearly does not mean that he actually did so.

I hereby propose that World War II is a blatantly brilliant lie concocted by the Jewish overlords in an attempt to stir up pity for themselves while creating hatred for the obviously superior German race. The documents, records, and eye witnesses? All lies and pawns of the Jews. Hitler was clearly a kind, sensitive man who lived out his life trying to create a better life for his people, and the Jews have turned him into this horrible monster that killed over ten million people during the lie of a war.

Who's with me?

 

[Simon39759]

Simon belongs to the category who, if the Soviets claim that the Germans killed thousands of the Polish elite, takes their word for it. Anything the noble Soviets say is true, you know. Simon loves Soviets.

Congratulation; you just won the prize of most transparent ad hominem of the week!
Your momma must be so proud!

Of course, considering YOU were the one that posted that information in the first place, you apparently believe the evil commies too.

Fact is, nobody argues that your Nazi friends managed to murder every single one of their victims. Sometime, they were stopped before going through, it is, after all, where we get most of the witness' testimonies of the camp (that and the Nazis themselves).

Fact also is that freeing 8000 Jews was new and notable in 1944, which is inconsistent with your whitewashed dreams in which these 8,000 would have only been a drop in the oceans of the millions of Jews that would have resettled by that time.

Fact is that just about all the French Jews that were freed by the Soviets came back to their native countries after the war. None of them mention permanent resettling, guess what their testimonies were all about?

 

[Simon39759]

Simon belongs to the category who, if the Soviets claim that the Germans killed thousands of the Polish elite, takes their word for it. Anything the noble Soviets say is true, you know. Simon loves Soviets.

Congratulation; you just won the prize of most transparent ad hominem of the week!
Your momma must be so proud!

Of course, considering YOU were the one that posted that information in the first place, you apparently believe the evil commies too.

Fact is, nobody argues that your Nazi friends managed to murder every single one of their victims. Sometime, they were stopped before going through, it is, after all, where we get most of the witness' testimonies of the camp (that and the Nazis themselves).

Fact also is that freeing 8000 Jews was new and notable in 1944, which is inconsistent with your whitewashed dreams in which these 8,000 would have only been a drop in the oceans of the millions of Jews that would have resettled by that time.

Fact is that just about all the French Jews that were freed by the Soviets came back to their native countries after the war. None of them mention permanent resettling, guess what their testimonies were all about?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Never seen this picture before:

http://www.cwporter.com/SCAN 40/beeld-15.jpg

The desperate-looking Rudolf Hoess with British Major Draper. Hoess was tortured by the British for weeks and confessed “made to order”.

Hoess can be seen as Witness #001. He was the commandant of Auschwitz. Unfortunetaly for the holocaustians there is a taint on the testimony made by Hoess.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p389_Faurisson.html

How the British Obtained the Confessions of Rudolf Höss
ROBERT FAURISSON

He appeared before the International Military Tribunal as a witness on 15 April 1946, where his deposition caused a sensation. To the amazement of the defendants and in the presence of journalists from around the world, he confessed to the most frightful crimes that history had ever known. He said that he had personally received an order from Himmler to exterminate the Jews. He estimated that at Auschwitz 3,000,000 people had been exterminated, 2,500,000 of them by means of gas chambers. His confessions were false. They had been extorted from Höss by torture, but it took until 1983 to learn the identity of the torturers and the nature of the tortures they inflicted upon him
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In his memoirs Höss recounts the circumstances of his arrest and what followed. The treatment that he underwent was particularly brutal.
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Here are the words Höss uses to describe, in succession, his arrest by the British;
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At my first interrogation, evidence was obtained by beating me. I do not know what is in the record, although I signed it. Alcohol and the whip were too much for me. The whip was my own, which by chance had got into my wife's luggage. It had hardly ever touched my horse, far less the prisoners. Nevertheless, one of my interrogators was convinced that I had perpetually used it for flogging the prisoners.
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Psychologically I was almost cut in pieces. They wanted to know all about everything, and this was also done by Jews. They left me in no doubt whatever as to the fate that was in store for me..

And the 'holocaust' was born.

Moreover we now see that Bernard Clarke, the first British torturer, was a Jew, The second British torturer, Major Draper (?), may also have been a Jew. The same for the two Americans: psychologist G.M. (Gustave Mahler) Gilbert and Colonel Harlan Amen. Finally, in Poland, Höss was faced with Polish Jews who treated him more or less the same way. When he wrote his "memoirs" it was under the supervision of instructing magistrate Jan Sehn, who was also probably a Jew.

Establishment historians dispute that Höss had been tortured and had confessed under duress. Since the publication of Rupert Butler's book in 1983, however, it is no longer possible for them to contest that. The Revisionists were right.

Well, well, the Anglos and their sometimes sadistic preference for torture. What else is new. We all know about the waterboarding KSM was subjected to to extract bogus confessions about him being the mastermind of 9/11, a story more and more people are rejecting around the globe (today David Ray Griffin was allowed to publish an article in veteranstoday, so we can safely conclude we are near a breakthrough ) and last week Italian prosecutors sought the arrest of 25 CIA torturers.

 

[Nonpareil]

Never seen this picture before:

http://www.cwporter.com/SCAN 40/beeld-15.jpg

The desperate-looking Rudolf Hoess with British Major Draper. Hoess was tortured by the British for weeks and confessed “made to order”.

Hoess can be seen as Witness #001. He was the commandant of Auschwitz. Unfortunetaly for the holocaustians there is a taint on the testimony made by Hoess.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p389_Faurisson.html

How the British Obtained the Confessions of Rudolf Höss
ROBERT FAURISSON

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Bull****. This is nothing but a giant bare assertion.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Bull****. This is nothing but a giant bare assertion.

Unfortunately for you the torturer himself confessed as much.

 

[Nonpareil]

Unfortunately for you the torturer himself confessed as much.

Unfortunately for you, the information I gave in the link covers that already. Your claim is still bull.

 

[9/11-investigator]

The famous Schlegelberger document:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Himmler/Schlegelberger/Schlegelberger42.JPG

Translation:

"Mr Reich Minister Lammers informed me that the Führer had repeatedly declared to him that he wants to hear that the Solution of the Jewish Problem has been postponed until after the war is over. That being so, the current discussions are of purely theoretical value, in Mr Reich Minister Lammers' opinion. He will moreover take pains to ensure that, whatever else happens, no fundamental decisions are taken without his knowledge in consequence of a surprise briefing by any third party."

Interesting detail: one of the key figures of the Nuremberg trial Dr Robert M W Kempner (Jewish) ... also stole numbers of original documents from the archives, and was almost certainly responsible for the attempt to conceal from posterity the March 1942 Schlegelberger document, in which a hard-pressed Adolf Hitler ordered the postponement of the Final Solution of the Jewish Problem until after the war. (The document was missing from the five-item folder of photocopies, ND: 4025-PS, after he returned it to the Nuremberg Trial archives; fortunately the original folder was found intact thirty years later in the Federal Archives). Since Mr Irving first published the document in Hitler's War, 1977, conformist historians have had a hard time explaining it away.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Germany/Kempner/index.html

 

[Nonpareil]

The famous Schlegelberger document:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Himmler/Schlegelberger/Schlegelberger42.JPG

Translation:

"Mr Reich Minister Lammers informed me that the Führer had repeatedly declared to him that he wants to hear that the Solution of the Jewish Problem has been postponed until after the war is over. That being so, the current discussions are of purely theoretical value, in Mr Reich Minister Lammers' opinion. He will moreover take pains to ensure that, whatever else happens, no fundamental decisions are taken without his knowledge in consequence of a surprise briefing by any third party."

Interesting detail: one of the key figures of the Nuremberg trial Dr Robert M W Kempner (Jewish) ... also stole numbers of original documents from the archives, and was almost certainly responsible for the attempt to conceal from posterity the March 1942 Schlegelberger document, in which a hard-pressed Adolf Hitler ordered the postponement of the Final Solution of the Jewish Problem until after the war. (The document was missing from the five-item folder of photocopies, ND: 4025-PS, after he returned it to the Nuremberg Trial archives; fortunately the original folder was found intact thirty years later in the Federal Archives). Since Mr Irving first published the document in Hitler's War, 1977, conformist historians have had a hard time explaining it away.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Germany/Kempner/index.html

Dealt with here.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Unfortunately for you, the information I gave in the link covers that already. Your claim is still bull.

Are you telling us that Major Draper was lying when he was braging about torturing Hoess? Gee, that's interesting. Could you elaborate on that?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Dealt with here.

4 minutes between my post and yours. That's not enough time for searching, reading, understanding and posting.

Dear Pure_Argent, the idea is to at last have an understanding of your own posts.

Could you explain to us how exactly the Schlegelberger document was dealt with?
Thanks in advance.

 

[Nonpareil]

Are you telling us that Major Draper was lying when he was braging about torturing Hoess? Gee, that's interesting. Could you elaborate on that?

Read the link. It answers your question.

4 minutes between my post and yours. That's not enough time for searching reading and posting. Dear Pure_Argent, the idea is to at last have an understanding of your own posts.

Yes, surely I don't understand what I'm saying. Nice way to avoid the issue. You have no idea how fast I read. In addition, I have been researching this subject ever since I started arguing with you. Your posts are nothing but standard denialist tactics. They're nothing special. I've had these links on standby for days.

 

[Trojan]

Hoess also said his treatment at the hands of the Poles was good, so is that credible, or are we only to trust the negatives?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Read the link. It answers your question.

No, this is a discussion forum. I am asking you a question: did Draper lie when he bragged about him torturing Hoss?

Yes, surely I don't understand what I'm saying. Nice way to avoid the issue. You have no idea how fast I read.

I think that you went to google, typed 'inurl:nizkor Schlegelberger' and next posted the link. And that's it. That's not a discussion.

In addition, I have been researching this subject ever since I started arguing with you.

I'm impressed, that means you have studied the holocaust for at least 1-2 weeks, because you were one of the last to join this discussion.

Your posts are nothing but standard denialist tactics. They're nothing special. I've had these links on standby for days.

Ah, that's very clever of you! You knew the Schlegelberger document was coming. You're a smart mister and not easy to deceive!

Now, cut the cr*p and explain the point you want to make with your own link. Provided you understand it at all, which is rather doubtful. Maybe uncle Trojan is willing to help you explaining that webpage. He understands, he is an expert on nizkor.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Hoess also said his treatment at the hands of the Poles was good, so is that credible, or are we only to trust the negatives?

That was after Nuremberg, when Hoess had fulfilled his task and 'confessing' the murder of 3,000,000 people, amongst others in a non-existing camp Wolzek.

The Hoess confession was a farce.

 

[Nonpareil]

No, this is a discussion forum. I am asking you a question: did Draper lie when he bragged about him torturing Hoss?

Funny, but I can't find any sources that claim that Draper ever said anything about Hoess being tortured.

I think that you went to google, typed 'inurl:nizkor Schlegelberger' and next posted the link. And that's it. That's not a discussion.

No, actually, I didn't. And the irony is staggering. Aren't you the one that uses the JREF as your own personal quote dump?

I'm impressed, that means you have studied the holocaust for at least 1-2 weeks, because you were one of the last to join this discussion.

Apparently your reading comprehension is a lot lower than I expected. I have been researching Holocaust denialism since I joined this dicussion. I had already done plenty of research on the Holocaust itself.

Ah, that's very clever of you! You knew the Schlegelberger document was coming. You're a smart mister and not easy to deceive!

Now, cut the cr*p and explain the point you want to make with your own link. Provided you understand it at all, which is rather doubtful.

I just did. You are lying through your teeth. Your entire argument is nothing but one huge bare assertion fallacy mixed with pure falsity.