What do you expect? That Birkenau is one big entertainment facility as well? Can you prove that people from Birkenau neer witnessed shows in A-1> I mean they walked to work every day!.
Can you prove that they
did? You seem to misunderstand the concept of the burden of proof.
Question: why was Birkenau 10 times as large as Auschwitz-1? Isn't it a bit large for a deathcamp? I thought that the Germans were efficient. Why build an entire city for 100,000 inhabitants if the sole purpose is to kill them all? Why not have a small facility and have phone calls to Amsterdam, Budapest, Brussels, etc., "OK, send us 5,000 Jews. We can process them October 3". Europe had a perfect working phone system in the forties.
You neglect the fact that this would require much more work on the transportation side. It is far simpler to just dump the prisoners in a camp where they can be executed at leisure.
The real reason of course was that it wasn't a death camp at all but a labour camp for the huge industry located next to the fake 'death camp'. The Germans needed al the hands they could get.
Why did they make a "fake death camp", then?
You want to maintain that the Red Cross did not inspect Birkenau?
Yes.
Like 'producing soap and lamp shades from Jews'...
No one believes this. Why do you keep saying it?
Is that sloppy 5 page scan made by you? This no doubt is the 'best' you could find in that 700+ page report? 'No clear picture'?
That's it?!
1,000,000+ people gassed and burned without the Red Cross knowing it?
Show me the page that they never visited Birkenau.
If they had never visited Birkenau, they wouldn't have any information on it in the report, would they?
This is 1948. 2-3 years after NMT. 'No clear picture'.
No, I haven't read it. You know I was looking for that resource. But Harwood did read it. And I believe his conclusions much more than those from somebody like you who is lying about his identity.
And this is coming from Mr. "Don't-Believe-The-Official-Story-Do-The-Research-Yourself", too.
I want you to show me positive statements that the ICRC was not allowed to visit Birkenau.
Here you go.
In post #2504 Trojan states: "And there are two Auchwitz camps numbnuts, a work camp and a death camp, guess which camp had postal service for select inmates? The same part that was open to Red Cross inspections."
He suggests that post could only be send from Auschwitz-1.
But I showed a postcard send from Birkenau. That's why.
And again, what makes you think that it was impossible for the Nazis to either fake a letter or to allow a Birkenau prisoner to write just one before killing him?
Again look at the pictures of the enormous industrial complex that Auschwitz was. Auschwitz-1 was a small camp, way to small to keep that huge plant in operation. Birkenau was no death camp. It was a slave labour camp.
http://home.att.net/~whitesox/israel/Holoca3.jpg
Argument from incredulity.
The famous Frank family was deported to Auschwitz-Birkenau, the supposed 'death-camp'. What happened to father Otto Frank? He got ill and spent weeks in a hospital, treated by Germans doctors. In a 'death camp'!!! That doesn't add up.
Anne Frank left Birkenau, the so-called death camp to go to Belsen, where she died of typhus. Like they all did. The icon of the holocaust died for the same reasons why they all died: from sickness, exhaustion, deprevation and most of all from typhus. Not from 'gassings'.
Wow. You are ripping your replies almost word-for-word off of IHR. So I reply... with
this.
In camps in their original countries. In Holland you had camp Westerbork. You had camp Vught. People sometimes stayed there for months or longer. Why: because there was no capacity in the East. For work and for resettling.
So you maintain that these camps were waypoints on the way to the main camps?
Not it is not efficient to build a town of 100,000 if these people were held in captivity at home. Again I point you to the document posted earlier that the Germans wanted industrial facilities out of reach of the bombers. Hence Auschwitz. It had huge production facilities and they needed manpower for these facilities.
Unfortunately, that document is nothing but conjecture with no evidence to support it. As is the rest of your wild fantasizing.
Auschwitz/Silesia was not isolated at all. It was a busy industrial center.
Nope:
The concentration camp at Auschwitz had a total camp area of 40 square kilometers with a surrounding radius of five kilometers for isolation.
There is only one who lies and that is you. You want to suggest that the ICRC was talking about Auschwitz but they were not. The ICRC is talking in gerneral terms. From the link you yourself provide, page 641 I find the quote:
http://www.thephora.net/user_documents/Vol I, preface and selected pages.pdf
"Under National Socialism, the Jews... had to suffer tyranny, persecution and extermination". This was in general terms but was not directly connected to Auschwitz. Nobody denies the harsh treatment of the Jews. But there is no way you can deduct 1,000,000+ deliberately killed people from this statement. No doubt you scanned the few pages that you could use best for your propaganda in order to serve your own ethnic interests.
Wow. Quote mining much?
I did visit Auschwitz.
I do not confuse them. There is no homicidal gas chamber.
Show me the gas chamber.
If you had visited Auschwitz, you would have seen it. If you actually
did go to Auschwitz - which I doubt - then you are simply denying facts.
Who is talking about resettlement camps?
Just resettlement.
How do you know that I don't know that ? What's the significance?
You must be pretty desperate to resort to this kind of childish argumentation.
And you are desperate, aren't you Trojan-boy.
Everything is now going to come out and that's not good news for your tribe. And you now it.
BS. This was 1948. They simply parotted the outcome of the NMT show trial. I am interested in direct evidence from the ICRC while visiting Auschwitz. What did they see with their own eyes. Or that they did not have access to Birkenau. Of course you haven't found anything, even after reading 700+ pages, otherwise you would have trumpeted it from the roof. That's meager, would you not agree?
You have nothing. Just kosher BS.
Stop with the antisemitic crap. We all know you hate Jews; you don't have to keep pressing the point.
As for the authenticity of the report... if it's so untrustworthy, then why is it a sound basis for your side's investigations?
Using a pen name is not equal to lying about your ethnic identity.
One more post:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p133_Allen.html
Letters and postcards that arrived in the Warsaw ghetto from Jews who, by all accounts, had been deported to Treblinka, indicate that the camp was a transit center from where Jews were resettled in the occupied Soviet territories. These messages, which arrived from settlements and camps in Belarus (Byelorussia), Ukraine, and even Russia proper (near Smolensk), were written by Jews who had been deported in 1942. Some letters and cards had been sent by mail and some had arrived through the underground. Many mentioned that the senders were working hard, but confirmed that they (and often their children) were being fed. (note 47)
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It makes perfect sense: the Germans had conquered vast territories into the USSR. Lots of Russians fled eastwards abandoning their homes, leaving them for others to occupy them, like the deported Jews who could not be used for forced labour. When the fortunes of war changed and the front was pushed back westwards these Jews were trapped in the USSR from which no escape was possible. It was one big prison.
This scenario makes perfect sense.
Uh, no, it doesn't. When the Russians reclaimed their territories, what makes you think that they would have just left the Jews alone? Squatters' rights is not normally a legally recognized claim to ownership.
If you were a real Russian you would be on my side trying to tackly those who set up a system that murdered 'your people' by the millions. But you could not care less about the plight of the Russians. You have spend years defending the Jews on all sorts of forums. On this planet it means that you are a Jew. Nothing wrong with it except that lying about it is wrong. Take an example from Parky or our selfstyled Ubermensch Skeptik. Nothing happens. Now you have exposed yourself as a liar.
Wow. Just... wow. This is seriously one of the most nonsensical bits of thinking that I have ever seen.
You know, 9/11-investigator, you would think that if you actually had a case you would be able to respond to my posts rather easily. But instead, you resort to childish
ad hominem attacks and topic necromancy. When will you learn? Bringing up the same topics over and over after their debunking does not make them any more valid.
If you actually have any proof at all that any of the evidence that we have presented is faked, then present it. Otherwise, I'm afraid that I'll have to let the hamster loose on you.
