9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[Trojan]

Woud our denier care to explain why the Red Cross would write this?

Subjected as they were to a discriminatory regime, which aimed more or less openly at their extermination ...

And why it is that Harwood and other revisionists would claim there was no mention of extermination activities in any Red Cross report?

Recall, this is part of the three volume report published shortly after the war, the report that Harwood quote mines and outright lies about.

Why lie?

 

[Arkyrion]

Is that sloppy 5 page scan made by you? This no doubt is the 'best' you could find in that 700+ page report? 'No clear picture'?

That's it?!

1,000,000+ people gassed and burned without the Red Cross knowing it?
Show me the page that they never visited Birkenau.

This is 1948. 2-3 years after NMT. 'No clear picture'.

No, I haven't read it. You know I was looking for that resource. But Harwood did read it. And I believe his conclusions much more than those from somebody like you who is lying about his identity.

And you call US the sheep?

 

[Nick Terry]

Here is a bit about the swimming pool.

I love it when they wheel out the swimming pool.

Hey, 9/11-investigator, two questions

1) when was the swimming pool built and first used?
2) do your denier sources tell you of any documents stating 'we will build a swimming pool' or 'we have now built a swimming pool' in the 80,000 pages of the construction office archive?

(A denier double standard will shortly be illustrated.)

 

[Trojan]

Is that sloppy 5 page scan made by you? This no doubt is the 'best' you could find in that 700+ page report? 'No clear picture'?

Nope, its in the preface, the very first pages of the very first volume!!

It was not buried in the report, it was out there front and center. Any scholar who reviewed the report for even a few minutes would have found it. It is one page of 700 that scream out to the lies of Harwood and others.

 

[Simon39759]

Question: why was Birkenau 10 times as large as Auschwitz-1? Isn't it a bit large for a deathcamp? I thought that the Germans were efficient. Why build an entire city for 100,000 inhabitants if the sole purpose is to kill them all? Why not have a small facility and have phone calls to Amsterdam, Budapest, Brussels, etc., "OK, send us 5,000 Jews. We can process them October 3". Europe had a perfect working phone system in the forties.

And... where would you "store" these Jews before hand?
Surely, you can not expect the Gestapo to just receive a phone call and conduct a raid and get all of them at once? Surely, you can't expect them to arrest some Jews and tell them: "Sorry, we have filled up our extermination quotas for this month but please, come back next month and we will murder you first thing.".

Obviously, the most efficient strategy was to arrest as many Jews as possible and process them when ready. Especially considering that, in the meantime, you could put them to work for the greatest glory of the Reich.
But, for that, you'd need a place to store the Jews... some sort of camp maybe?
It would need to be a bit isolated, after all, there was some secrecy involved, plus, the more desolate the place surrounding the camps was, the more difficult it would be to escape.
Poland then? Especially as, this way, some of the installation you build might be used later, to colonize this new lebensraum...

Hmm... I wonder what such a camp would look like. Maybe some big fortified looking town...

 

[9/11-investigator]

And this debunks Trojan's argument how?

In post #2504 Trojan states: "And there are two Auchwitz camps numbnuts, a work camp and a death camp, guess which camp had postal service for select inmates? The same part that was open to Red Cross inspections."

He suggests that post could only be send from Auschwitz-1.

But I showed a postcard send from Birkenau. That's why.

Again look at the pictures of the enormous industrial complex that Auschwitz was. Auschwitz-1 was a small camp, way to small to keep that huge plant in operation. Birkenau was no death camp. It was a slave labour camp.

http://home.att.net/~whitesox/israel/Holoca3.jpg

The famous Frank family was deported to Auschwitz-Birkenau, the supposed 'death-camp'. What happened to father Otto Frank? He got ill and spent weeks in a hospital, treated by Germans doctors. In a 'death camp'!!! That doesn't add up.

Anne Frank left Birkenau, the so-called death camp to go to Belsen, where she died of typhus. Like they all did. The icon of the holocaust died for the same reasons why they all died: from sickness, exhaustion, deprevation and most of all from typhus. Not from 'gassings'.

 

[Trojan]

No, I haven't read it. You know I was looking for that resource. But Harwood did read it. And I believe his conclusions much more than those from somebody like you who is lying about his identity.

I missed this the first time, the idiot doesn't even know that Harwood is a pen name.

The booklet in question was published in 1974 by Richard Verrall,
the editor of the publication of the neofascist "National Front".
Verrall used the name "Richard Harwood". It contains the same lies
about the ICRC report which are currently repeated by Holocaust
deniers

 

[9/11-investigator]

And... where would you "store" these Jews before hand? Surely, you can not expect the Gestapo to just receive a phone call and conduct a raid and get all of them at once? Surely, you can't expect them to arrest some Jews and tell them: "Sorry, we have filled up our extermination quotas for this month but please, come back next month and we will murder you first thing.".

In camps in their original countries. In Holland you had camp Westerbork. You had camp Vught. People sometimes stayed there for months or longer. Why: because there was no capacity in the East. For work and for resettling.

Obviously, the most efficient strategy was to arrest as many Jews as possible and process them when ready. Especially considering that, in the meantime, you could put them to work for the greatest glory of the Reich.
But, for that, you'd need a place to store the Jews... some sort of camp maybe?

Not it is not efficient to build a town of 100,000 if these people were held in captivity at home. Again I point you to the document posted earlier that the Germans wanted industrial facilities out of reach of the bombers. Hence Auschwitz. It had huge production facilities and they needed manpower for these facilities.

It would need to be a bit isolated, after all, there was some secrecy involved, plus, the more desolate the place surrounding the camps was, the more difficult it would be to escape.

Auschwitz/Silesia was not isolated at all. It was a busy industrial center.

 

[TSR]

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9/11:

I seem to have missed the citation or link you provided to the actual Krege report.

You *did* post one, right?

Or shall we add this to the list of issues from which you are running?
.

 

[Trojan]

In camps in their original countries. In Holland you had camp Westerbork. You had camp Vught. People sometimes stayed there for months or longer. Why: because there was no capacity in the East. For work and for resettling.

Please show us just one of these resettlement camps -- just one.

 

[Ignorantbystander]

So, again 9/11 investigator, did you or did you not visit Auschwitz. And if you did, how come you confuse the Sauna and the delousing chambers with the homocidal gaschambers

 

[9/11-investigator]

Woud our denier care to explain why the Red Cross would write this?

ICRC: "Subjected as they were to a discriminatory regime, which aimed more or less openly at their extermination ... "

And why it is that Harwood and other revisionists would claim there was no mention of extermination activities in any Red Cross report?

Recall, this is part of the three volume report published shortly after the war, the report that Harwood quote mines and outright lies about.

Why lie?

There is only one who lies and that is you. You want to suggest that the ICRC was talking about Auschwitz but they were not. The ICRC is talking in gerneral terms. From the link you yourself provide, page 641 I find the quote:

http://www.thephora.net/user_documents/Vol I, preface and selected pages.pdf

"Under National Socialism, the Jews... had to suffer tyranny, persecution and extermination". This was in general terms but was not directly connected to Auschwitz. Nobody denies the harsh treatment of the Jews. But there is no way you can deduct 1,000,000+ deliberately killed people from this statement. No doubt you scanned the few pages that you could use best for your propaganda in order to serve your own ethnic interests.

Fake Russian.

 

[9/11-investigator]

So, again 9/11 investigator, did you or did you not visit Auschwitz. And if you did, how come you confuse the Sauna and the delousing chambers with the homocidal gaschambers

I did visit Auschwitz.

I do not confuse them. There is no homicidal gas chamber.

Show me the gas chamber.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Please show us just one of these resettlement camps -- just one.

Who is talking about resettlement camps?

Just resettlement.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I missed this the first time, the idiot doesn't even know that Harwood is a pen name.

How do you know that I don't know that ? What's the significance?

You must be pretty desperate to resort to this kind of childish argumentation.
And you are desperate, aren't you Trojan-boy.
Everything is now going to come out and that's not good news for your tribe. And you know it.

 

[Ignorantbystander]

These pictures illustrate the forensic problems with the official story: in these shoddy storage rooms that after the war were marketed as homicidal gas chambers any trace of Prussian Blue is absent (the essence of the Leuchter, rudolf report).

As far as I know these 'shoddy storage rooms' were never marketed as homocidal gas chambers. Who are you trying to fool?

And if you have been to Auschwitz you know damn well where the homocidal gaschambers are located.

 

[Trojan]

http://www.thephora.net/user_documents/Vol I, preface and selected pages.pdf

"Under National Socialism, the Jews... had to suffer tyranny, persecution and extermination". This was in general terms but was not directly connected to Auschwitz. Nobody denies the harsh treatment of the Jews. But there is no way you can deduct 1,000,000+ deliberately killed people from this statement. No doubt you scanned the few pages that you could use best for your propaganda in order to serve your own ethnic interests.

Why did you stop there?

Continue the quote

They were penned into concentration camps and ghettos, recruited for forced labour, subjected to grave brutalities and sent to death camps,

What you just did is called quote mining -- its intelluctually dishonest and is basically an attempt by you to lie and misrpresent the evidence

why lie?


BTW - I scanned the pages Harwood quoted, to show his dishonesty - its a three volume mini encloypedia, non circulating. Can't really copy 700 pages standing at a library copier.

 

[Trojan]

How do you know that I don't know that ? What's the significance?

You must be pretty desperate to resort to this kind of childish argumentation.
And you are desperate, aren't you Trojan-boy.
Everything is now going to come out and that's not good news for your tribe. And you now it.

Investigator -- YOU claimed

I believe his conclusions much more than those from somebody like you who is lying about his identity.

You claim I am lying about my identity, yet the author you trust is lying about his identity.

 

[Trojan]

Who is talking about resettlement camps?

Just resettlement.

So they stopped the train in Russia and just kicked the Dutch Jews off the train?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Why did you stop there?

Continue the quote

"They were penned into concentration camps and ghettos, recruited for forced labour, subjected to grave brutalities and sent to death camps,"

What you just did is called quote mining -- its intelluctually dishonest and is basically an attempt by you to lie and misrpresent the evidence

why lie?

BTW - I scanned the pages Harwood quoted, to show his dishonesty - its a three volume mini encloypedia, non circulating. Can't really copy 700 pages standing at a library copier.

BS. This was 1948. They simply parotted the outcome of the NMT show trial. I am interested in direct evidence from the ICRC while visiting Auschwitz. What did they see with their own eyes. Or that they did not have access to Birkenau. Of course you haven't found anything, even after reading 700+ pages, otherwise you would have trumpeted it from the roof. That's meager, would you not agree?

You have nothing. Just kosher BS.