9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[Nonpareil]

Trojan makes a desastrous blunder by posing this question.

You can't read properly. The quote doesn't say that these postcards were posted from Treblinka, but from the final destination of the Jews, namely in the newly conquered territories in the USSR.

Unfortunately for you, there are no sources that support this contention. You are committing the bare assertion fallacy again.

But now that you mention it, I did some searching and I was truly amazed, flabbergasted, staggered to learn that sending postcards was allowed twice a month from the worst of all camps, the icon of the 'holocaust': Auschwitz!!!

You are betraying your incredible ignorance of the Holocaust once again.

Upon arrival at Auschwitz, the Jewish prisoners were sometimes required to write a postcard to home. The cards' addresses were written as other cities, but erasure marks on several cards show that they were written at Auschwitz.
No other postcards were sent.

<snip regulation list>

What you neglect to mention is that the Nazis had a policy of at least attempting to keep their movements secret. Hence the reason that the majority of mentions of the Germans' Final Solution are contained in higher-ranking communiques.

Some deathcamp.

Here is another stunner from the same source:

Red Cross Report

The Report states that "As many as 9,000 parcels were packed daily. From the autumn of 1943 until May 1945, about 1,112,000 parcels with a total weight of 4,500 tons were sent off to the concentration camps" (Vol. III, p. 80). In addition to food, these contained clothing and pharmaceutical supplies. "Parcels were sent to Dachau, Buchenwald, Sangerhausen, Sachsenhausen, Oranienburg, Flossenburg, Landsberg-am-Lech, Flöha, Ravensbrück, Hamburg-Neuengamme, Mauthausen, Theresienstadt, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, to camps near Vienna and in Central and Southern Germany. The principal recipients were Belgians, Dutch, French, Greeks, Italians, Norwegians, Poles and stateless Jews" (Vol. III, p. 83). [4]

So? The sending of Red Cross parcels disproves the Holocaust how?

<snip>

There are many, many more.

And you still want to maintain that the Schwitz was an extermination camp?
With a postoffice?

Yes. The Nazis themselves sent letters, as well as accepting Red Cross packages and sending letters.

A library?

I can find no information that suggests that there was a library in Auschwitz. Links? Preferably to some site other than your denialist ones.

A swimming pool?

Yes. It was utilized by the camp staff.

A brothel?

Yes. Again, used by the camp staff, though you are correct in saying that some prisoners were permitted to use it.

An infirmary?

Hardly what one can call a perfect hospital.

How brainwashed can you be!

LOL FAIL

Oh, and I could not find any from Treblinka.

Now here is question for the smarties here. Why do you think that is? Why are there no postcards from Treblinka?
Think carefully, because this question is a trap.

http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres9/CMJGt.pdf

Very nice. Summary, please? I'm not going to dig through a 124-gigabyte PDF just to indulge your fantasy world.

Here is more!!!

Auschwitz, the supposed "death camp", had many facilities amongst which were;

* A camp hospital to which expert surgeons even from the famous Berlin "Charité" Surgical Clinic were dispatched to deal with difficult cases -

Even if the camp hospital weren't used for medical experiments, it still wouldn't disprove the Holocaust. The camp staff had to get treatment somewhere if they got sick.

* Camp sick barracks, attended by camp inmate doctors and nurses to deal with the inmates' health problems - much like the now common walk-in clinics in modern US communities -

You mean the "crematoria waiting rooms"? I addressed this above.

* A Camp diet kitchen, one of the largest service buildings in Auschwitz, with state-of-the-art cooking facilities. (This building had 12 chimneys and can be visited today...)

Congratulations. You have discovered that one of the largest prison camps of all time had a huge f***ing kitchen. Truly a discovery to rival the theory of general relativity.

* The caloric content of the diet was carefully monitored by camp and Red Cross delegates. It only deteriorated in Auschwitz and other camps towards the end of the war when German railroads and the entire transport system collapsed under constant aerial attacks -

No.

* Up to 16 Camp orchestras, with every conceivable instrument available -

Yes, there were camp orchestras. So? They were for staff entertainment and the deceiving of the newly-arrived prisoners.

* Camp Post Office with twice weekly pick-ups and deliveries.

I can't find any non-denialist sources which claim this, and none of the denialist sources list any sources either.

* A Camp theater, where live plays could be performed by camp inmate actors -

Again, no source.

* Camp sculpture classes conducted for interested, talented inmates by professional sculptors

No.

* Camp art classes for inmates

No.

* Camp University with lectures on every topic under the sun, from health, the arts, philosophy, science, economic issues etc.

No.

* A Camp cinema - where every week different, mainly cultural and non-political films were shown -

No.

* A Camp Brothell, in which 12-15 women were paid between RM 2.- to RM 4.- for their services, The Women and customers were given a medical checks BEFORE each visit.

Covered above.

* Camp religious facilities made available on a rotating basis to every denomination for religious services -

No.

* A Camp library, where inmates could borrow books from Fourty -five thousand volumes available -

No.

* A Camp swimming pool for use by the inmates on Birkenallee, where there were walkways with comfortable benches for inmates to relax in the shade of the trees -

For staff use, not inmate.

* Camp sports facilities, like soccer fields, handball areas, fencing classes and other exercise facilities -

No.

* A Camp coupon incentive system, where through extra work inmates could obtain coupons redeemable for cake or ice cream in the Camp Cantina, which also had extra toiletries etc.

No.

* A Camp Complaints Office, where inmates could register complaints or make suggestions. Camp Commander Hoess had a standing order that any inmate could approach him personally to register a complaint about other inmates such as "Kapos" and even guards.

No.

* A system of strict discipline for guards and also for inmates, with severe punishment being handed out against those found guilty (for even slapping an inmate)

No.

* An Auschwitz "In-Camp COURT & Jail". (!) Since the camp was a large, open facility, transgressors could be arrested, tried and jailed right in Auschwitz. (This jail was opposite the gynecological facility.)

No.

* An Auschwitz Maternity Ward - Over 3,000 live births were registered there, with not a single infant death while Auschwitz was in operation under German rule -

No.

* Child day care center where working mothers could leave their children.

No.

* Auschwitz crematoria - These structures were hastily built by inmate labor after the first typhus epidemic caused thousands of deaths. (Burial of epidemic victims had caused the ground water to be contaminated causing infections among the German staff. Amongst the victims was an early camp commandant's wife. Polish peasants from the surrounding district were also cremated here.)

You're partially correct. The crematoria were built and utilized for the disposal of dead bodies, yes, but this does not somehow remove the possibility that it was used to destroy gassed corpses.

* Auschwitz pregnancies took place because of the open nature of the facility. Auschwitz marriages took place because worker inmates fell in love and married their inmate partners.

No.

http://www.ety.com/HRP/pol/auschwitzauction.htm

I am very curious to the response of our resident holocaust enforcers.
Why don't you simply admit that you are wrong? That Auschwitz was merely a labour camp and nothing else.

Because it wasn't. None of the sources that make any of these claims give sources for the information. The farthest they go is to reference each other, which doesn't help.
In short, you are still lying through your teeth. Or you believe that the bare assertion fallacy isn't a fallacy. Either way, your position is entirely incorrect.

The hundreds of thousands of American homeless can only dream off these circumstances (epidemics obviously not included).

It was a horrible place because of the epidemics that were rampant. But have you any proof to the contrary of this enormous list of facilities? Does anybody wants to challenge this list? Go ahead, make a fool of me.

Just did.

P.S. "9/11 Investigator is most contemptible person I have ever seen at JREF"

Translation: 9/11-I is the most effective holocaust debunker so far.

Get used to it folks, this is unstoppable.

Major ego much?

Thanks to Trojan I found a wonderful resource:

http://www.cwporter.com/bild2.htm

There you go, the 'gaschambers': http://www.cwporter.com/SCAN 40/beeld-61 en 62.jpg

New prisoners came in, received a haircut, then entered a shower building (62) (the building to the central wing). In the meantime, their clothing was disinfected. The inmates finally left the building on the other side – the ‘clean side’

Here a clear sign from within Auschwitz how dangerous lice are: http://www.cwporter.com/SCAN 40/beeld-60.jpg

Here another eyeopener: http://www.cwporter.com/SCAN 40/beeld-33.jpg

The Germans in Holland used the word Endloesung (Final Solution) in their documented communications with (drum roll...) the Dutch Jewish representatives:
http://www.cwporter.com/SCAN 40/beeld-33.jpg !!!

You'll excuse me if I don't take that site seriously in the slightest. In addition to having the lack of source problem given above, it's just some crackpot making stuff up. The way he spells "Holocaust" as "Holoco$t" definitely hurts his credibility.

The purpose of Auschwitz becomes clear for anybody who speaks German (**): the Germans needed factories outside the reach of the Anglo bombers. And they needed Jews to operate them. From this document it immediately becomes clear that 'the final solution of the Jewish question' was not homicidal in nature but simply means deportation, relocation, ethnic cleansing. Compare with the American operation 'Wetback' in the fifties as hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants were deported back to Mexico.

It's amazing how you can draw such conclusions. You've seen these sites for yourself. You should realize how unreliable they are. I doubt that you are unintelligent. The only possible reason, then, is that you simply don't want to let go of your antisemitic prejudices, and so you resort to such horrible fallacies.

<snip>

Yes, the Jews were used for slave labor. They were also killed. Your point?

<snip info from nonsense site>

From the same resource it is not difficult to discover where the rumours originated from that Germans killed Jews with steam:

<snip... and again>

Why weren’t the ‘gas chambers’ also equipped with doors like this?[/I]

Answer: there were no homicidal gaschambers.

Logic fail.

<snip more nonsense>

So the Germans had perfect airtight doors to seal of the delousing equipment but did not have these doors for the alleged homicidal gaschambers? Explanation: after the war it was decided to pick some crappy storage room with a crappy wooden door and market the shoddy thing as a gas chamber. That's what happened.

No.

9/11-investigator, why do you persist in lying? And why, when called out on your lies, do you continue to post links to garbage sites? And why do you keep bringing up nonsense that has been previously debunked?

 

[Ignorantbystander]

Here are pictures from birkenau. The Germans even had gas chambers with a view:

http://www.nazigassings.com/images/DelousingStatIntViewWithWin.jpg

Other instructive pictures of (delousing) gaschambers:
http://www.nazigassings.com/images/DelousingStatExtWall3.jpg
http://www.nazigassings.com/images/DelousingStatIntViewNOWindo.jpg
http://www.nazigassings.com/images/DelousingStationExtWallWith.jpg
http://www.nazigassings.com/images/DelousingStationExtWall1.jpg

These pictures illustrate the forensic problems with the official story: in these shoddy storage rooms that after the war were marketed as homicidal gas chambers any trace of Prussian Blue is absent (the essence of the Leuchter, rudolf report).

Conclusion: there were no homicidal gas chambers.

Are you really that ignorant about Auschwitz? you told us before that you visited the place, yet you don't seem to have a clue about the different places there. First you show us pictures of the Sauna and now of the delousing chamber (which btw do have stains of Prussian Blue, Leuchter only claimed that the same residue should be present at the homocidal gaschambers.)

 

[Nonpareil]

Here is the best copy I have seen so far of the red Cross document from 1984:

http://judicial-inc.biz/paage_1.jpg

This is the tally of all the documents of registered deaths in possession of the Red Cross. And that's it. That's the holocaust for you.

No.

BTW, read this: http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,638751,00.html

How Lice Thwarted Napoleon's Invasion of Russia

His invasion of Russia failed miserably, leaving a trail of corpses from Moscow all the way to Paris. In a new book, one historian blames not the wintry march but the spread of "war plague" -- typhus -- through Napoleon's Grand Army.

The fate of Napoleon's Grand Army was sealed long before the first shot was fired. In the spring of 1812, more than 600,000 men marched towards Russia under the command of the diminutive Corsican -- an army larger than the population of Paris at the time.

That's the claim of Stephan Talty, the American author who reconstructs the medical history of Napoleon's doomed Russian campaign in his new book "The Illustrious Dead: The Terrifying Story of How Typhus Killed Napoleon's Greatest Army." Talty carefully documents why 400,000 men never made it home. Like few historians before him, he illuminates the critical role of a tiny enemy: the louse.

In the end, the army's back was broken by neither the Cossacks nor the merciless Russian winter but rather by typhus exanthematicus, spread by crawling parasites. That's the conclusion of an investigation that began in 2001 with a gruesome discovery: A mass grave containing 2,000 corpses in the Lithuanian capital, Vilnius.

Gee, I am surprised the Wiesenthal Center didn't blame the Germans for that! Oh wait...

At first, excavators guessed the victims were killed by the KGB, or were Jews killed during the German occupation. But by examining belt buckles and uniform buttons with regimental numbers on them, archaeologists unraveled the mystery. The dead, it turned out, were soldiers of Napoleon's Grand Army.

Nice derail attempt.

During the war the Allies sought confirmation of the extermination rumours from Jewish groups. They came to the conclusion that the story was untrue:

http://www.air-photo.com/english/denial.html

How did US Chief Justice Harlan Fiske Stone call the NMT in Nuremberg again:

“A high-grade lynching party”.

Appeal to authority, argument from incredulity.

Here are pictures from birkenau. The Germans even had gas chambers with a view:

http://www.nazigassings.com/images/DelousingStatIntViewWithWin.jpg

Other instructive pictures of (delousing) gaschambers:
http://www.nazigassings.com/images/DelousingStatExtWall3.jpg
http://www.nazigassings.com/images/DelousingStatIntViewNOWindo.jpg
http://www.nazigassings.com/images/DelousingStationExtWallWith.jpg
http://www.nazigassings.com/images/DelousingStationExtWall1.jpg

These pictures illustrate the forensic problems with the official story: in these shoddy storage rooms that after the war were marketed as homicidal gas chambers any trace of Prussian Blue is absent (the essence of the Leuchter, rudolf report).

1) There were non-homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. No one denies this
2) Leuchter report has been addressed above.

Conclusion: there were no homicidal gas chambers.

Italians and Germans were also held in American concentration camps, but that is history you are not suppose to know about.

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The nano-thermite research was peer-reviewed. You will always find excuses to deny the obvious. To hell with peer reviews. Use your common sense.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is a prime example of the broken nature of 9/11-investigator's mind.

Of course it's propaganda! Everything is propaganda. The question is: is it true? Of course it is. Use your gut-feeling, your instinct, your intuition. But you won't. You will follow the voice of the herd. Who cares. In a couple of years time the story will be dead. Iran is the first post-holocaust nation. Many will follow soon, other Islamic nations, the Ukraine, Russia, Asia. And maybe over 50 years even Americans. Don't hold your breath though.

I have been brainwashed with the official lie for 50 years. Now I am free of it and now I'm having a good time with the likes of you.

Whoo, the sheer crazy here is overwhelming. You, good sir, are ****ing insane.

He has the facts on his side. People like you and others of the Holocaust faith will never change because you are beyond reason.

 

[Trojan]

Oh, and I could not find any from Treblinka.

Now here is question for the smarties here. Why do you think that is? Why are there no postcards from Treblinka?
Think carefully, because this question is a trap.

http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres9/CMJGt.pdf

That's because there were none - it was a death camp, not a work camp. VERY few left.

And there are two Auchwitz camps numbnuts, a work camp and a death camp, guess which camp had postal service for select inmates? The same part that was open to Red Cross inspections.

 

[Simon39759]

Here is a bit about the swimming pool.
The shameful history of the brothels is that women were selected and forced into service there. From what I read, the visit right was mostly given to privileged prisoners as an incentive. The use of similar privileges as a mean of division and ultimately control is well attested, that is a large part of the concept of the 'kapo'.

 

[Tailgater]

There was no internet back then to make it easy for people to find each other again. You yourself give the example of people from Belgium ending up in Britain and America. How should they be able to find each other once separated? Almost impossible. You are assuming they died but you do not know.

Evidence of just how simple your thought pattern is. You think that many million people could not track down each other? Maybe some, but do you even have a clue to what effort has gone into recovering communication between families. The density in this post is overwhelming.

 

[Trojan]

Here is another stunner from the same source:

Red Cross Report

The Report states that "As many as 9,000 parcels were packed daily. From the autumn of 1943 until May 1945, about 1,112,000 parcels with a total weight of 4,500 tons were sent off to the concentration camps" (Vol. III, p. 80). In addition to food, these contained clothing and pharmaceutical supplies. "Parcels were sent to Dachau, Buchenwald, Sangerhausen, Sachsenhausen, Oranienburg, Flossenburg, Landsberg-am-Lech, Flöha, Ravensbrück, Hamburg-Neuengamme, Mauthausen, Theresienstadt, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, to camps near Vienna and in Central and Southern Germany. The principal recipients were Belgians, Dutch, French, Greeks, Italians, Norwegians, Poles and stateless Jews" (Vol. III, p. 83). [4]

Same Red Cross report also says this

Vol III, pg 513

"In its relief work for civilan populations, the ICRC paid
special attention to the Jews. In Germany and the countries
occupied by her, or under her domination, especially Hungary,
Poland, Czechoslovakia, Rumania and Jugoslavia 1, no other
section of the population endured such humilation, privation
and suffering. Deprived of all treaty protection, persecuted
in accordance with the National-Socialist doctrine and threatened
with extermination, the Jews were, in the last resort,
generally deported in the most inhuman manner, shut up in
concentration camps, subjected to forced labour or put to
death"

 

[9/11-investigator]

http://www.edwardvictor.com/Holocaust/Images/Auschwitz2_PC_1_1.jpg

You have got mail.

From Birkenau.

Debunked.

Re: 'numbnutt'... JReff rule: attack the argument, not the arguer.

 

[Nonpareil]

http://www.edwardvictor.com/Holocaust/Images/Auschwitz2_PC_1_1.jpg

Debunked.

No.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Same Red Cross report also says this

Vol III, pg 513

"In its relief work for civilan populations, the ICRC paid
special attention to the Jews. In Germany and the countries
occupied by her, or under her domination, especially Hungary,
Poland, Czechoslovakia, Rumania and Jugoslavia 1, no other
section of the population endured such humilation, privation
and suffering. Deprived of all treaty protection, persecuted
in accordance with the National-Socialist doctrine and threatened
with extermination, the Jews were, in the last resort,
generally deported in the most inhuman manner, shut up in
concentration camps, subjected to forced labour or put to
death"

That was the kosher version of the report adapted under Allied pressure. Orginally The Red Cross said they never saw anything special in the camps.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2735

 

[9/11-investigator]

No.

Impotent 'argumentation'. Why no? Do you understand the argument Trojan was making?

Of course you don't.

Pure_Argent is the guy who thinks that the holocaust as a deliberate extermination program can be proven by providing a link to "google holocaust".

Touching.

 

[Trojan]

Here is more!!!

Auschwitz, the supposed "death camp", had many facilities amongst which were;

* A camp hospital to which expert surgeons even from the famous Berlin "Charité" Surgical Clinic were dispatched to deal with difficult cases -

* Camp sick barracks, attended by camp inmate doctors and nurses to deal with the inmates' health problems - much like the now common walk-in clinics in modern US communities -

* A Camp diet kitchen, one of the largest service buildings in Auschwitz, with state-of-the-art cooking facilities. (This building had 12 chimneys and can be visited today...)

* The caloric content of the diet was carefully monitored by camp and Red Cross delegates. It only deteriorated in Auschwitz and other camps towards the end of the war when German railroads and the entire transport system collapsed under constant aerial attacks -

* Up to 16 Camp orchestras, with every conceivable instrument available -

* Camp Post Office with twice weekly pick-ups and deliveries.

* A Camp theater, where live plays could be performed by camp inmate actors -

* Camp sculpture classes conducted for interested, talented inmates by professional sculptors

* Camp art classes for inmates

* Camp University with lectures on every topic under the sun, from health, the arts, philosophy, science, economic issues etc.

* A Camp cinema - where every week different, mainly cultural and non-political films were shown -

* A Camp Brothell, in which 12-15 women were paid between RM 2.- to RM 4.- for their services, The Women and customers were given a medical checks BEFORE each visit.

* Camp religious facilities made available on a rotating basis to every denomination for religious services -

* A Camp library, where inmates could borrow books from Fourty -five thousand volumes available -

* A Camp swimming pool for use by the inmates on Birkenallee, where there were walkways with comfortable benches for inmates to relax in the shade of the trees -

* Camp sports facilities, like soccer fields, handball areas, fencing classes and other exercise facilities -

* A Camp coupon incentive system, where through extra work inmates could obtain coupons redeemable for cake or ice cream in the Camp Cantina, which also had extra toiletries etc.

* A Camp Complaints Office, where inmates could register complaints or make suggestions. Camp Commander Hoess had a standing order that any inmate could approach him personally to register a complaint about other inmates such as "Kapos" and even guards.

* A system of strict discipline for guards and also for inmates, with severe punishment being handed out against those found guilty (for even slapping an inmate)

* An Auschwitz "In-Camp COURT & Jail". (!) Since the camp was a large, open facility, transgressors could be arrested, tried and jailed right in Auschwitz. (This jail was opposite the gynecological facility.)

* An Auschwitz Maternity Ward - Over 3,000 live births were registered there, with not a single infant death while Auschwitz was in operation under German rule -

* Child day care center where working mothers could leave their children.

* Auschwitz crematoria - These structures were hastily built by inmate labor after the first typhus epidemic caused thousands of deaths. (Burial of epidemic victims had caused the ground water to be contaminated causing infections among the German staff. Amongst the victims was an early camp commandant's wife. Polish peasants from the surrounding district were also cremated here.)

* Auschwitz pregnancies took place because of the open nature of the facility. Auschwitz marriages took place because worker inmates fell in love and married their inmate partners.

http://www.ety.com/HRP/pol/auschwitzauction.htm

I am very curious to the response of our resident holocaust enforcers.
Why don't you simply admit that you are wrong? That Auschwitz was merely a labour camp and nothing else.

The hundreds of thousands of American homeless can only dream off these circumstances (epidemics obviously not included).

Yes, for the benefit of JREF, these facilities did exist in the work camp and some inmates were permitted to live in relative luxury, this is all documented and most of the structures survive to this day. History had recorded this to be true.

What our denier is not saying, it that these facilities were not at the Auchwitz death camp, that is to say, perhaps a million Jews and others died at Auchwitz without ever seeing or passing by these facilties.

Auschwitz I was the original camp, and it served as the administrative center for the whole complex. The Red Cross inspected this facility, the Jews and other slave laborers lived relatively well. This place had barracks, a hospital and all those fun little structures our deniers is talking about.

Auschwitz II (Birkenau) is the extermination facility.

Jews and others were sent there to be murdered, this is were the selection process and all the other famous activities took place.

So don't be confused by our denier, there were two camps here, and the diffrence was life and death.

 

[Trojan]

That was the kosher version of the report adapted under Allied pressure. Orginally The Red Cross said they never saw anything special in the camps.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2735

It was in the SAME VOLUME and published at the SAME TIME.

I've actually read the three volume report, have you?

http://www.thephora.net/user_documents/Vol I, preface and selected pages.pdf

More below...

From the outset it should be borne in mind that this Report, as its
title indicates, attempts no more than a record of the Committee's
work. A clear picture of the condition of war-victims in each country
must not be looked for, nor yet a critical or legal study
of how far the terms of the Conventions have been observed. Likewise
the Committee reports only on its own task and makes no attempt
to give an account of the achievements of other organizations
which worked to great purpose, inspired by the same ideals, and often
in close co-operation with it, to mitigate the sufferings of war
victims, To have a comprehensive picture of what has been accomplished
by the Red Cross, the reports of the National Societies and the
League must be read in conjunction with this present record.

 

[Nonpareil]

Impotent 'argumentation'. Why no? Do you understand the argument Trojan was making?

Of course you don't.

Well, yes, actually, I do.

Pure_Argent is the guy who thinks that the holocaust as a deliberate extermination program can be proven by providing a link to "google holocaust".

Touching.

9/11-investigator is the guy who thinks that the Holocaust as a deliberate extermination program can be disproven by proving a link to "cwporter.com".

Touching.



ETA: Has anyone else noticed the way that 9/11-investigator never takes the time to actually respond to any of the substantial posts? He simply ignores the fact that he has been completely destroyed. Not exactly the most convincing way to conduct an argument.

 

[Trojan]

I wonder why the revisionists have ignored this part as well ...

Harwood, the revisionist auther will quote this ...

Not All Were Interned


Volume III of the Red Cross Report, Chapter 3 (I. Jewish Civilian Population) deals with the "aid given to the Jewish section of the free population," and this chapter makes it quite plain that by no means all of the European Jews were placed in internment camps, but remained, subject to certain restrictions, as part of the free civilian population. This conflicts directly with the "thoroughness" of the supposed "extermination programme", and with the claim in the forged Höss memoirs that Eichmann was obsessed with seizing "every single Jew he could lay his hands on."


But what else is contained in this chapter?

"The question of relief for the Jews amongst the civilan prisoners
or deportees held in prisons, concentration camps and
closed ghettos has already been dealt with 1. We must now
speak of the aid given to the Jewish section of the free population.
In Germany and her satellte countries, the lot of the
civilians belonging to this group was by far the worst. Subjected
as they were to a discriminatory regime, which aimed more or
less openly at their extermination, they were unable to procure
the necessities of life, even in the reduced quantities to which
" Aryans" were entitled. Moreover, the Jewish communities
had been seriously impoverished by the discrimination, confiscation
and robbery practised on them for many years."

 

[9/11-investigator]

Yes, for the benefit of JREF, these facilities did exist in the work camp and some inmates were permitted to live in relative luxury, this is all documented and most of the structures survive to this day. History had recorded this to be true.

What do you expect? That Birkenau is one big entertainment facility as well? Can you prove that people from Birkenau neer witnessed shows in A-1> I mean they walked to work every day!.

Question: why was Birkenau 10 times as large as Auschwitz-1? Isn't it a bit large for a deathcamp? I thought that the Germans were efficient. Why build an entire city for 100,000 inhabitants if the sole purpose is to kill them all? Why not have a small facility and have phone calls to Amsterdam, Budapest, Brussels, etc., "OK, send us 5,000 Jews. We can process them October 3". Europe had a perfect working phone system in the forties.

The real reason of course was that it wasn't a death camp at all but a labour camp for the huge industry located next to the fake 'death camp'. The Germans needed al the hands they could get.

What our denier is not saying, it that these facilities were not at the Auchwitz death camp, that is to say, perhaps a million Jews and others died at Auchwitz without ever seeing or passing by these facilties.

Trojan is preparing a pullback. 'Perhaps'.

[qimg]http://www.chhooi.com/mrh/images/auschwitz1-2-map.jpg[/qimg]

Auschwitz I was the original camp, and it served as the administrative center for the whole complex. The Red Cross inspected this facility, the Jews and other slave laborers lived relatively well. This place had barracks, a hospital and all those fun little structures our deniers is talking about.

Auschwitz II (Birkenau) is the extermination facility.

You want to maintain that the Red Cross did not inspect Birkenau?

Jews and others were sent there to be murdered, this is were the selection process and all the other famous activities took place.

Like 'producing soap and lamp shades from Jews'...

 

[Arkyrion]

http://www.edwardvictor.com/Holocaust/Images/Auschwitz2_PC_1_1.jpg

You have got mail.

From Birkenau.

Debunked.

And this debunks Trojan's argument how?

Re: 'numbnutt'... JReff rule: attack the argument, not the arguer.

 

[Trojan]

Trojan is preparing a pullback. 'Perhaps'.

[qimg]http://www.chhooi.com/mrh/images/auschwitz1-2-map.jpg[/qimg]

Nope, just not sure how many may have worked for a time BEFORE going to their death.

You want to maintain that the Red Cross did not inspect Birkenau?

Do you want to show they were free to inspect what they wanted?

 

[9/11-investigator]

It was in the SAME VOLUME and published at the SAME TIME.

I've actually read the three volume report, have you?

http://www.thephora.net/user_documents/Vol I, preface and selected pages.pdf

More below...

From the outset it should be borne in mind that this Report, as its
title indicates, attempts no more than a record of the Committee's
work. A clear picture of the condition of war-victims in each country
must not be looked for, nor yet a critical or legal study
of how far the terms of the Conventions have been observed. Likewise
the Committee reports only on its own task and makes no attempt
to give an account of the achievements of other organizations
which worked to great purpose, inspired by the same ideals, and often
in close co-operation with it, to mitigate the sufferings of war
victims, To have a comprehensive picture of what has been accomplished
by the Red Cross, the reports of the National Societies and the
League must be read in conjunction with this present record.

Is that sloppy 5 page scan made by you? This no doubt is the 'best' you could find in that 700+ page report? 'No clear picture'?

That's it?!

1,000,000+ people gassed and burned without the Red Cross knowing it?
Show me the page that they never visited Birkenau.

This is 1948. 2-3 years after NMT. 'No clear picture'.

No, I haven't read it. You know I was looking for that resource. But Harwood did read it. And I believe his conclusions much more than those from somebody like you who is lying about his identity.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Do you want to show they were free to inspect what they wanted?

I want you to show me positive statements that the ICRC was not allowed to visit Birkenau.

BTW: you ackowledge that post was send from Birkenau? The 'death camp'?