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9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust
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I don't have to prove that 6 million people did not die in gas chambers, it's up to the claimers that this crime happened to do the proving. We are now in page 26 of this thread and as was to be expected my opponents failed miserably in this task.
Now I don't know or care what happened to these Jews; after their liberation they probably went back home in Europa or went to Israel (some 5 million did) or went to the States, Britain or Canada, South-America, etc.
One thing is clear, they did not die in the non-existing gas chambers of Auschwitz or one of the other 5 'death-camps'. (we are going to discuss these camps meticulously in future posts).
Here is the reason why they could not have died by the millions: there are too many survivors.
Said the mother of Norman Finkelstein: "If everyone who claims to be a survivor really is one, […] who did Hitler kill?"
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if there were 27 million Jews in the world today, then this argument would have some merit. but almost all estimates of the world's Jewish population put us around 14 million.
18 million before WW2, 12 million after WW2, and 14 million today.
unless you can PROVE that the world's Jewish population before WW2 was greatly INFLATED by Jewish liar...or was greatly deflated and continues to be deflated by Jews after WW2...then your Holocaust theories are BS.
the best estimates say 4-6 million Jews are missing from the Earth.
i have a book from 1929 saying the world jewish population was 18 million..and Europes was 11 million.
for there to have been a conspiracy..it must have been hatched before this book was written..unless u think there are really 22 million Jews on Earth today.
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Oh great. The idiot who wrote that uses elementary algebra to get at his numbers. Never heard of a population pyramid?
Gross to use Finkelstein. You do realize that both his parents were Holocaust survivors!
#1. no one is claiming that 6 million jews died in gas chambers (nice stawman). maybe 3 million died in the chambers and the rest were shot or worked or starved to death.
#2. 5 million Jews from Europe DID NOT go to Israel. that is a pure lie. only 2,122,000 jews from Europe have immigrated to Israel..since 1919!!!
a total of 3.3 million Jews have immigrated to Israel..since 1918. and this is from the whole planet...not just Europe.
so stop with the BS lies. get your facts and numbers straight or don't debate the Holocaust.
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Greetings from Auschwitz
The "Secret Factory of Death" allowed its inmates to send official Auschwitz-Postcards and to receive letters twice a month. How does this match with the story that the purpose of the Auschwitz camp was to kill its inmates?
Can anybody here explain to me why a 'death camp' would allow its inmates to send and receive mail twice a month? So where are the postcards in Russian or French describing all the horrors in coded language?
Answer: there are none.
Now here is how a German 'deat camp' looks like:
* A camp hospital to which expert surgeons even from the famous Berlin "Charité" Surgical Clinic were dispatched to deal with difficult cases -
* Camp sick barracks, attended by camp inmate doctors and nurses to deal with the inmates' health problems - much like the now common walk-in clinics in modern US communities -
* A Camp diet kitchen, one of the largest service buildings in Auschwitz, with state-of-the-art cooking facilities. (This building had 12 chimneys and can be visited today...)
* The caloric content of the diet was carefully monitored by camp and Red Cross delegates. It only deteriorated in Auschwitz and other camps towards the end of the war when German railroads and the entire transport system collapsed under constant aerial attacks -
* Up to 16 Camp orchestras, with every conceivable instrument available -
* Camp Post Office with twice weekly pick-ups and deliveries.
* A Camp theater, where live plays could be performed by camp inmate actors -
* Camp sculpture classes conducted for interested, talented inmates by professional sculptors
* Camp art classes for inmates
* Camp University with lectures on every topic under the sun, from health, the arts, philosophy, science, economic issues etc.
* A Camp cinema - where every week different, mainly cultural and non-political films were shown -
* A Camp Brothel, in which 12-15 women were paid between RM 2.- to RM 4.- for their services, The Women and customers were given a medical checks BEFORE each visit.
* Camp religious facilities made available on a rotating basis to every denomination for religious services -
* A Camp library, where inmates could borrow books from Fourty -five thousand volumes available -
* A Camp swimming pool for use by the inmates on Birkenallee, where there were walkways with comfortable benches for inmates to relax in the shade of the trees -
* Camp sports facilities, like soccer fields, handball areas, fencing classes and other exercise facilities -
* A Camp coupon incentive system, where through extra work inmates could obtain coupons redeemable for cake or ice cream in the Camp Cantina, which also had extra toiletries etc.
* A Camp Complaints Office, where inmates could register complaints or make suggestions. Camp Commander Hoess had a standing order that any inmate could approach him personally to register a complaint about other inmates such as "Kapos" and even guards.
* A system of strict discipline for guards and also for inmates, with severe punishment being handed out against those found guilty (for even slapping an inmate)
* An Auschwitz "In-Camp COURT & Jail". (!) Since the camp was a large, open facility, transgressors could be arrested, tried and jailed right in Auschwitz. (This jail was opposite the gynecological facility.)
* An Auschwitz Maternity Ward - Over 3,000 live births were registered there, with not a single infant death while Auschwitz was in operation under German rule -
* Child day care center where working mothers could leave their children.
* Auschwitz crematoria - These structures were hastily built by inmate labor after the first typhus epidemic caused thousands of deaths. (Burial of epidemic victims had caused the ground water to be contaminated causing infections among the German staff. Amongst the victims was an early camp commandant's wife. Polish peasants from the surrounding district were also cremated here.)
* Auschwitz pregnancies took place because of the open nature of the facility. Auschwitz marriages took place because worker inmates fell in love and married their inmate partners.
Some death camp!
The "Secret Factory of Death" allowed its inmates to send official Auschwitz-Postcards and to receive letters twice a month. How does this match with the story that the purpose of the Auschwitz camp was to kill its inmates?
Can anybody here explain to me why a 'death camp' would allow its inmates to send and receive mail twice a month? So where are the postcards in Russian or French describing all the horrors in coded language?
Answer: there are none.
Now here is how a German 'deat camp' looks like:
* A camp hospital to which expert surgeons even from the famous Berlin "Charité" Surgical Clinic were dispatched to deal with difficult cases -
* Camp sick barracks, attended by camp inmate doctors and nurses to deal with the inmates' health problems - much like the now common walk-in clinics in modern US communities -
* A Camp diet kitchen, one of the largest service buildings in Auschwitz, with state-of-the-art cooking facilities. (This building had 12 chimneys and can be visited today...)
* The caloric content of the diet was carefully monitored by camp and Red Cross delegates. It only deteriorated in Auschwitz and other camps towards the end of the war when German railroads and the entire transport system collapsed under constant aerial attacks -
* Up to 16 Camp orchestras, with every conceivable instrument available -
* Camp Post Office with twice weekly pick-ups and deliveries.
* A Camp theater, where live plays could be performed by camp inmate actors -
* Camp sculpture classes conducted for interested, talented inmates by professional sculptors
* Camp art classes for inmates
* Camp University with lectures on every topic under the sun, from health, the arts, philosophy, science, economic issues etc.
* A Camp cinema - where every week different, mainly cultural and non-political films were shown -
* A Camp Brothel, in which 12-15 women were paid between RM 2.- to RM 4.- for their services, The Women and customers were given a medical checks BEFORE each visit.
* Camp religious facilities made available on a rotating basis to every denomination for religious services -
* A Camp library, where inmates could borrow books from Fourty -five thousand volumes available -
* A Camp swimming pool for use by the inmates on Birkenallee, where there were walkways with comfortable benches for inmates to relax in the shade of the trees -
* Camp sports facilities, like soccer fields, handball areas, fencing classes and other exercise facilities -
* A Camp coupon incentive system, where through extra work inmates could obtain coupons redeemable for cake or ice cream in the Camp Cantina, which also had extra toiletries etc.
* A Camp Complaints Office, where inmates could register complaints or make suggestions. Camp Commander Hoess had a standing order that any inmate could approach him personally to register a complaint about other inmates such as "Kapos" and even guards.
* A system of strict discipline for guards and also for inmates, with severe punishment being handed out against those found guilty (for even slapping an inmate)
* An Auschwitz "In-Camp COURT & Jail". (!) Since the camp was a large, open facility, transgressors could be arrested, tried and jailed right in Auschwitz. (This jail was opposite the gynecological facility.)
* An Auschwitz Maternity Ward - Over 3,000 live births were registered there, with not a single infant death while Auschwitz was in operation under German rule -
* Child day care center where working mothers could leave their children.
* Auschwitz crematoria - These structures were hastily built by inmate labor after the first typhus epidemic caused thousands of deaths. (Burial of epidemic victims had caused the ground water to be contaminated causing infections among the German staff. Amongst the victims was an early camp commandant's wife. Polish peasants from the surrounding district were also cremated here.)
* Auschwitz pregnancies took place because of the open nature of the facility. Auschwitz marriages took place because worker inmates fell in love and married their inmate partners.
Some death camp!
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9-11 Investigator- don't be soo naive. r u suggesting that the Nazis, who hated Jews to the bone, were also very kind and thoughtful to us? give me a ****ing break.
and respond to my debunking of your numbers. what u got to say huh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Israel#Statistics
i guess u think Israel really has 12 million Jews huh?
and respond to my debunking of your numbers. what u got to say huh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Israel#Statistics
i guess u think Israel really has 12 million Jews huh?
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The Germans had no reason whatsoever to like you. Do you or anybody else understand the cause of the German anti-semitism? Explain it to me. After that I explain it to you.
I did not say that all Jews went to Israel but many did.
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u said that 5 million European Jews went to Israel. this is a lie. since 1919, only 2.2 million Jews have migrated to Israel.
intelligent, rational, and mature Germans did not hate Jews. only cowards, bigots, and paranoid religious extremists hated the Jews.
Germany even sent Jewish WW1 vets to concentration camps...where most died. So much for German honor.
Germany killed hundrreds of thousands of children. So much for German honor. what did they have against little Jewish children? why send children to concentration camps?
even if they thought all Jewish adults were guilty...are children guilty of the crimes of their parents?????????
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Here is some anti-American ammo: operation wetback.
Operation Wetback was a 1954 operation by the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) to remove about one million illegal immigrants from the southwestern United States. It focused on Mexican nationals.
I claim that there is no real difference between the behavior of the Nazis and the post WW2 Americans.
It was ethnic cleansing, nothing else.
The only difference was that the Jews were responsible for the destruction and dismemberment of Germany after WW1.
Operation Wetback was a 1954 operation by the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) to remove about one million illegal immigrants from the southwestern United States. It focused on Mexican nationals.
I claim that there is no real difference between the behavior of the Nazis and the post WW2 Americans.
It was ethnic cleansing, nothing else.
The only difference was that the Jews were responsible for the destruction and dismemberment of Germany after WW1.
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Lies. Bigotry. paranoia and evil. even Jewish children were guilty and had to die?
the Nazis were defeated once..and if we have to...we will annihilate them again.
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Good. I had these figures in my head: slightly less than 6 million Jews live in Israel now, right? A few hundred thousand did so before 1940, right, hence my number that 5 million Jews must have emigrated to Israel. That's what I meant. I admit that I formulated it carelessly. My bad.
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No, Nazi fanboy.
These Jews were last seen alive in Nazi "custody". Therefore whatever happened to them is the responsibility of the Nazis. It is upon them and their worshippers - meaning you, among others - to prove what happens to them, if they do not wish to accept the obvious conclusion, which is that those where taken by the Nazis and never seen again were killed by the Nazis.
Neither I nor anyone else here has to prove anything about the particulars of how any number of Jews died. The Nazis and their worshippers have to prove that the disappearance of about 6 million Jews while in Nazi "custody" was not due to their deaths at the hands of the Nazis.
right. so 6 million jews in israel. 5.5 in the usa. maybe 1.5 million in europe. maybe a 1 million in the former USSR. thats still only around 14 million jews.
so, with 18 million jews in 1929.....and 14 million jews today (with some natural growth since WW2)..where are the missing jews?
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Because you conveniently forget that Auschwitz is the name of three camps. Auschwitz II Birkenau was the extermination camp. Auschwitz III Monowitz was a concentration camp where people were held to perform slave labour.
But don't let yourself be bothered by actual facts, Nazi fanboy!
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You do remember the Jewish Digital Monument?
What happened to Salomon Israel and his family?
Or to Benjamin Kan:
Tell me, Nazi fanboy!
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Gather round while I sing you of Wernher von Braun
A man whose allegiance is ruled by expedience
Call him a Nazi, he won't even frown
"Ha, Nazi schmazi," says Wernher von Braun
Don't say that he's hypocritical
Say rather that he's apolitical
"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down
That's not my department," says Wernher von Braun
Some have harsh words for this man of renown
But some think our attitude should be one of gratitude
Like the widows and cripples in old London town
Who owe their large pensions to Wernher von Braun
You too may be a big hero
Once you've learned to count backwards to zero
"In German oder English I know how to count down
Und I'm learning Chinese," says Wernher von Braun
Wernher Von Braun
Gather round while I sing you of Wernher von Braun
A man whose allegiance is ruled by expedience
Call him a Nazi, he won't even frown
"Ha, Nazi schmazi," says Wernher von Braun
Don't say that he's hypocritical
Say rather that he's apolitical
"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down
That's not my department," says Wernher von Braun
Some have harsh words for this man of renown
But some think our attitude should be one of gratitude
Like the widows and cripples in old London town
Who owe their large pensions to Wernher von Braun
You too may be a big hero
Once you've learned to count backwards to zero
"In German oder English I know how to count down
Und I'm learning Chinese," says Wernher von Braun
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