9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[Matthew Ellard]

Mind you, that was the Polish communist government, installed by the USSR (the big buddy of the Anglo's) who had done the 'research'.

So you can't find any holes in the official Polish investigation? You are blaming Russians for a Polish investigation? That's new.

Give me a break Matthew. Matthew, who to his own admission failed to build a career in 'pre-history', probably because he trashed the ground penetrating radar equipment, next moved on to perform the stereotypical job as a tax-harvester, this Matthew wants to criticize Krege because his results does not match Matt's agenda.

No, I got deported from an Iranian dig during the revolution and was reassigned to work in London where I ended up in administration, then accounting and thus tax law to obtain higher salaries and participate in tax-funded film production. I worked for the producers of Mythbusters and Beyond2000 (an aussie company) doing docos on the PLA and Barbara Theiring's religious research. The careers are intertwined.

Krege, who worked at another Australian university, failed every basic rule concerning a dig by anyone's standard.

Revisionists come up with a number of ca. 10,000 people who died in Treblinka.

"Revisionists" have failed to explain the trains full of clothing that left Treblinka. Shall I dig up the SS document again? From memory one train had 225,000 adult overcoats, 36,000 childrens aprons etc etc

You already lost the debate and you know it.

Not really, as I have always said, I'm trying to lure a particular real holocaust denier to this forum. You are the "light beer" version, the slightly out of tune "support act" who cracks old jokes while we are finding our seats. At least my holocaust deniers at the Skeptic Society know things like the Saar Offensive although they too copy the CODOH guidelines on attacking Churchill.

 

[9/11-investigator]

If a judge wants an opinion concerning "accounting" he goes to a person with accounting degrees. If a judge wants an opinion on an engineering issue he goes to a person with an engineering degree. Pretty obvious isn't it?

Maybe it is a language thing. In Holland we distinguish between a 'getuige' and a 'getuige-deskundige'. The first one has witnessed the crime scene, the second has not, but gives informed advice. In English the word 'witness' seems to be used in both cases. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[9/11-investigator]

So you can't find any holes in the official Polish investigation? You are blaming Russians for a Polish investigation? That's new.

No, I am saying that it is ridiculous to expect historic truth to arise in a Soviet controlled country if that historic truth is not in the interest of the Soviet explanation of history. The truth about Kathyn was forbidden and so was any anti-holocaust truth.

No, I got deported from an Iranian dig during the revolution and was reassigned to work in London where I ended up in administration, then accounting and thus tax law to obtain higher salaries and participate in tax-funded film production. I worked for the producers of Mythbusters and Beyond2000 (an aussie company) doing docos on the PLA and Barbara Theiring's religious research. The careers are intertwined.

I see; from the immature way you reason I would have guessed you to be 25 or something. But it looks as if you are twice that age.

Krege, who worked at another Australian university, failed every basic rule concerning a dig by anyone's standard.

Why, because he worked at a Australian university? You should know.

"Revisionists" have failed to explain the trains full of clothing that left Treblinka. Shall I dig up the SS document again? From memory one train had 225,000 adult overcoats, 36,000 childrens aprons etc etc

Treblinka was a transit camp, a 'distribution hub of people'; hundreds of thousands passed there. Possibly the Germans confiscated superfluous luxery clothing from the deported, who got workmans clothing instead. It is difficult to dig anti-tank barriers in a fur coat. I gave you this explanation before. The workers in concentration camps as far as I know all had standard clothing as provided by the Germans.

Not really, as I have always said, I'm trying to lure a particular real holocaust denier to this forum. You are the "light beer" version, the slightly out of tune "support act" who cracks old jokes while we are finding our seats. At least my holocaust deniers at the Skeptic Society know things like the Saar Offensive although they too copy the CODOH guidelines on attacking Churchill.

I admit I am a amateur struggling to acquire deeper knowledge by posting here. Not very impressed by your resistance though, although you are one of better ones here. But hey, it is you who has to defend the weaker case.

About the 'Saar Offensive': a war where nobody dies is no war. It is not called a 'Phoney War' for nothing.

 

[TSR]

Treblinka was a transit camp, a 'distribution hub of people'; hundreds of thousands passed there.

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Great! Then you should have no problem at all producing documentation of, say, even a dozen people being sent elsewhere after arriving there. We have the records that they *did* arrive -- where are the records showing this 'transit?'
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[Andy_Ross]

As someone who obviously despises they Jews and thinks they are the root of all the worlds troubles and are busy trying to take over, and , as someone who has in a nother thread stated that you have no sympathy for the Nazis. Why are you so concerned with trying to show they didn't try to exterminate the Jews?

Why are you trying to let them off the hook?
If you have no sympathy with the Nazis and condemn their acts why try to get them off this one?

 

[dudalb]

As someone who obviously despises they Jews and thinks they are the root of all the worlds troubles and are busy trying to take over, and , as someone who has in a nother thread stated that you have no sympathy for the Nazis. Why are you so concerned with trying to show they didn't try to exterminate the Jews?

Why are you trying to let them off the hook?
If you have no sympathy with the Nazis and condemn their acts why try to get them off this one?

Public Relations. To try to make the Nazis Look better.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

No, I am saying that it is ridiculous to expect historic truth to arise in a Soviet controlled country if that historic truth is not in the interest of the Soviet explanation of history. The truth about Kathyn was forbidden and so was any anti-holocaust truth.

We are talking about Treblinka which is in Poland and not Katyn which is in Smolensk. You have your countries confused.

I see; from the immature way you reason I would have guessed you to be 25 or something. But it looks as if you are twice that age.

No I'm old and educated. You are old and and don't know basics like the Saar Offensive. It is simply our different levels of education. Yours is lower. That's how it is.

Treblinka was a transit camp, a 'distribution hub of people'; hundreds of thousands passed there. Possibly the Germans confiscated superfluous luxery clothing from the deported, who got workmans clothing instead. It is difficult to dig anti-tank barriers in a fur coat. I gave you this explanation before. The workers in concentration camps as far as I know all had standard clothing as provided by the Germans.

1)A transit camp to where?
2) The SS also shipped 300,000 pairs of second hand shoes from Treblinka. Do you think they dug anti tank ditches in barefeet in winter?
3) Where are the anti tank ditches near Treblinka or dug by Treblinka children? (36,000 childrens aprons)

 

[ddt]

Maybe it is a language thing. In Holland we distinguish between a 'getuige' and a 'getuige-deskundige'. The first one has witnessed the crime scene, the second has not, but gives informed advice. In English the word 'witness' seems to be used in both cases. Thanks for pointing that out.

And so it is in Dutch. The Dutch word "getuige" exactly means that: witness.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Refering to the topic of legality of H-word realism...

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_countries_where_Holocaust_denial_is_legal

'Holocaust denial' is allowed everywhere on the planet except for: Austria, Belgium, the Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Poland, Portugal, Romania and Switzerland.

The Netherlands have no law against genocide denial, but the courts have ruled that such a statement is a form of hate speech. To cheer them up, we have made a list of countries and territories where Holocaust denial is legally allowed.

Ignoring countries where H-word denial is allowed because they do not know how to spell the word, these countries are interesting: Russia, USA, UK, Spain, Italy, Canada, Argentina, Australia, Scandinavia, Japan and Iran.

 

[Arisia]

Refering to the topic of legality of H-word realism...

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_countries_where_Holocaust_denial_is_legal

'Holocaust denial' is allowed everywhere on the planet except for: Austria, Belgium, the Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Poland, Portugal, Romania and Switzerland.

The Netherlands have no law against genocide denial, but the courts have ruled that such a statement is a form of hate speech. To cheer them up, we have made a list of countries and territories where Holocaust denial is legally allowed.

Ignoring countries where H-word denial is allowed because they do not know how to spell the word, these countries are interesting: Russia, USA, UK, Spain, Italy, Canada, Argentina, Australia, Scandinavia, Japan and Iran.

I'm betting they mean African/non-White countries, yes?

Yes, we allow Holocaust denial in the USA, this little bit here: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." means we can say any stupid lie we want, as long as it doesn't directly result in bringing harm to others (the First Amendment doesn't cover needlessly shouting 'Fire' in a crowded theater, for instance).

 

[TSR]

Refering to the topic of legality of H-word realism...

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Tell us again about that law that specifically mentions 6 million and criminalizes any other number.

Or tell us who has been convicted in a case where the death toll was the only issue?

Or admit that you were lying, because you really really needed the Jooos to be that powerful, to justify your hate...

And BTW, how, exactly, does 9 become "most of" 23?
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[Think_Tank]

1)A transit camp to where?
2) The SS also shipped 300,000 pairs of second hand shoes from Treblinka. Do you think they dug anti tank ditches in barefeet in winter?
3) Where are the anti tank ditches near Treblinka or dug by Treblinka children? (36,000 childrens aprons)

Beaten to it by the blue text again

I'll add:

4) Do you have any evidence for incoming shipments of huge amounts of working clothing?

 

[Chaos]

I suggest we close this thread.

Its purpose was for 9/11-investigator to explain the Holocaust.

I would argue that, between the rabid hatred of Jews demonstrated by 9/11-investigator, his belief that everything bad that ever happened was the Jews´ fault, his desire for bloody, murderous revenge against the Jews for imagined slights against his "race", and the well-known fact that he is neither the first nor the only person to hold such views, it is sufficiently explained how the Holocaust could happen.

 

[9/11-investigator]

4) Do you have any evidence for incoming shipments of huge amounts of working clothing?

No, I am sorry.

I do have this:

To burn 875,000 bodies in the open would have required at least 200 kg wood per corpse, i.e., a total of 195,000 tons. This is equivalent to a forest 6.4 km long and 1 km wide. The cremation actions, which are supposed to have lasted from early March until late August 1943, would have required 2,800 wood cutters per day, assuming that it takes one man to cut down one tree, cut the branches off, and saw it up. According to Holocaust literature, there were only 500 "working Jews" in total at the camp, only 25 of whom, according to a Holocaust survivor named Richard Glazar, were on wood-cutting detail, i.e., less than 1 1/2% of the number required. Deforested terrain of the corresponding size does not, and did not, exist in the vicinity of Treblinka; the transport of 195,000 tons of wood to the camp would certainly have been noted in the records of the Reichsbahn, if the wood had been brought from someplace else.

Again, Treblinka is the smoking gun for the case of the revisionists. The idea that 850,000 were killed and buried and reburied and cremated in mere 6 months time is preposterous. Assume you can bury 5 people in 1 m3. that is 5000 in a block of 1000 m3, that size of a large house (10x10x10m). That is 850 / 5 = 170 of these houses, or a block of 100 m x 170 m x 10 m deep. That is 2.5 times the size of a standard soccer field. It means that the displaced soil must have been stored temporarily elsewhere. Any traces of that? Pictures? Airphotos? Of course not.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I suggest we close this thread.

Why? Do you consider this thread dangerous? I consider your request as a compliment.

Its purpose was for 9/11-investigator to explain the Holocaust.

It was dtugg who choose the title of the thread, not me. For me it is a H-word discussion thread.

I would argue that, between the rabid hatred of Jews demonstrated by 9/11-investigator

Give me quotes that link to examples of 'rabit hatred'

his belief that everything bad that ever happened was the Jews´ fault,

Never said that. WW1 for instance was not caused by the Jews.

But indeed: American entry in WW1, starting Bolshevism, WW2 (behind pushing Britain into declaration of war against germany), Nuremberg tribunal/H-word, killing of JFK, 9/11, Iraq war, yes all the work of the Jews.

his desire for bloody, murderous revenge against the Jews for imagined slights against his "race",

Absolute slanderous lie. I reject violence against anybody, including Jews.

and the well-known fact that he is neither the first nor the only person to hold such views, it is sufficiently explained how the Holocaust could happen.

Since I am not the first revisionist it is clear the H-word happened.

Fascinating logic.

 

[TSR]

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Got any evidence at all of folks being shipped anywhere *from* Treblinka?

Of course not...
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[9/11-investigator]

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Got any evidence at all of folks being shipped anywhere *from* Treblinka?

Of course not...
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http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/hoh/chap12.html

The transit camp theory is also supported by the fact that Jews are known to have been deported from Treblinka to other camps. Holocaust literature even mentions Jews who were transferred from Treblinka to Majdanek (29). Why all these unnecessary transports from one "extermination camp" to another?

Presumably, Treblinka served as a transit camp on the way to settlements located further east in the Baltic and White Russia); the existence of these settlements is admited even by authors like Reitlinger and Hilberg.

 

[SanityGap]

No, I am sorry.

I do have this:



Again, Treblinka is the smoking gun for the case of the revisionists. The idea that 850,000 were killed and buried and reburied and cremated in mere 6 months time is preposterous. Assume you can bury 5 people in 1 m3. that is 5000 in a block of 1000 m3, that size of a large house (10x10x10m). That is 850 / 5 = 170 of these houses, or a block of 100 m x 170 m x 10 m deep. That is 2.5 times the size of a standard soccer field. It means that the displaced soil must have been stored temporarily elsewhere. Any traces of that? Pictures? Airphotos? Of course not.

Total rubbish. A human body will burn on it's own without any extra fuel once it has caught fire. They were burning 3000 at a time. The bodies that were dug up would burn very easily due to the effects of decomposition.
From an eye witness,

"The SS "expert" on body burning ordered us to put women, particularly fat women, on the first layer of the grill, face down. The second layer could consist of whatever was brought – men, women, or children – and so on, layer on top of layer … Then the "expert" ordered us to lay dry branches under the grill and to light them. Within a few minutes the fire would take so it was difficult to approach the crematorium from as far as 50 meters away ..."

Regarding bodies dug up.
"At first an inflammable liquid was poured onto the bodies to help them burn, but later this was considered unnecessary; the SS men in charge of the cremation became convinced that the corpses burned well enough without extra fuel."
Of course the witness was a Jew so I expect you to wave the testimony away.

 

[TSR]

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/hoh/chap12.html

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How many Jews, and when?

You *do* know the nature of the original source cited, "The Death Camp Treblinka," don't you? Is that why you don't cite it by name?
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[Matthew Ellard]

4) Do you have any evidence for incoming shipments of huge amounts of working clothing?

No, I am sorry.

Yes that makes sense. Holocaust denial is all about picking and choosing evidence. Anything that is evidence for the holocaust is simply discarded. Weird isn't it?

I do have this:

Again, Treblinka is the smoking gun for the case of the revisionists. The idea that 850,000 were killed and buried and reburied and cremated in mere 6 months time is preposterous.

Who said they were all buried when they were first killed? Some lay around in the open. The Russian start coming back and so they burn the emaciated bodies, hide the evidence and plow the field to pretend it was a farm.

Assume you can bury 5 people in 1 m3. that is 5000 in a block of 1000 m3, that size of a large house (10x10x10m).

Ash isn't a body.