9/11: How they Faked the Videos

[Deadie]

The smaller looks like a plane and in 2001 no one had ever seen one before, but if someone had seen one it could easily have been mistaken for a small, white plane.

767s are not small aircraft by any stretch of imagination. They are considerably larger than these missiles. This was pointed out to you by another poster many pages ago.

 

[yankee451]

767s are not small aircraft by any stretch of imagination. They are considerably larger than these missiles. This was pointed out to you by another poster many pages ago.

And? From the street a thousand feet down, someone might think they saw a small white plane (which were reported). Anyone who insisted they saw a missile, had a TV shoved in their face.

 

[yankee451]

Yes, large aircraft were flown in to the towers at high speed as witnessed by thousands of people.

No. You saw it on television, therefore you assume thousands of people saw it. But the lightly damaged aluminum sheeting, and the sharply bent steel columns, say otherwise.

 

[yankee451]

Physics prove you wrong again.
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Proves.

 

[yankee451]

And the fact resistant humans with no experience in the subject matter will produce their youtube video analysis for their fellow know-nothings until the earth stops spinning.

Even barnyard animals know a jet wing impacting at 500 MPH would have done more than lightly "pinch" the aluminum sheeting at the far left.

 

[Andy_Ross]

No. You saw it on television, therefore you assume thousands of people saw it. But the lightly damaged aluminum sheeting, and the sharply bent steel columns, say otherwise.

It was Manhattan in the middle of a weekday.
Of course thousands saw it.
Do you think the entirety of the city population are in on it?

 

[BStrong]

Even barnyard animals know a jet wing impacting at 500 MPH would have done more than lightly "pinch" the aluminum sheeting at the far left.

Nobody knows your constituency better than you.

 

[BStrong]

It was Manhattan in the middle of a weekday.
Of course thousands saw it.
Do you think the entirety of the city population are in on it?

Somehow the residents of Conspiralandistan have rejected Ben Franklin (Three can keep a secret if two are dead) and the general principle of K.I.S.S. (keep it simple, stupid) for "the more the merrier" and the belief that the more moving parts involved in a plan the greater the chance for success.

 

[Deadie]

Anyone who insisted they saw a missile, had a TV shoved in their face.

Then I need to bring you back to one of my first post in this thread and ask you again where the giant speakers were located that broadcast the sound of jet engines to apparently emanate from commercial passenger airliners and not the tiny missiles that do not share either a similar physical size nor sound profile.

Good lord, each engine on a 767 is not only physically larger than a JASSM but also weights 4 times as much.

 

[JSanderO]

Steve... there WERE eyewitnesses to the AA11 hitting the north tower. Not only the fire fighters seen in a video you will claim as staged... but many commuters driving southbound on the FDR drive where the twin towers... were clear as a bell that day and they say AA11 directly overhead rather low and then hit the towers.

I was in NY that day at work. I could see the smoke streaming from the towers. I have a friend who, an architect, worked on the 54th flr of tower 2. He saw the 2nd plane hit the tower.

 

[Axxman300]

AGM-86D missile warheads are about 14 inches wide and weigh 1200 lbs, they are big, powerful missiles that have been around for decades.

The smaller AGM-158 looks like a plane and in 2001 no one had ever seen one before, but if someone had seen one it could easily have been mistaken for a small, white plane. JASSMs were being produced for testing and for the Pilot Production models in 2001, but they were not in the military’s inventory at the time. Official production didn’t begin until December of 2001, giving the authorities plausible deniability, but JASSMs used off-the-shelf technology from other tried and true missile systems so there is no question the technology was there. They look like planes, they are stealthy, they can fly in formation, and with planted targeting beacons, their margin of error would be next to zero. If the hole wasn’t cut by cruise missiles such as the JASSM, it was something very similar.

The problem is that the AGM-158 was still in early testing in 2001 and Lockheed couldn't get it to work consistently. Another problem is Lockheed would have noticed their handful of prototypes missing (they all have serial numbers). Then there is the problem of all of that jet fuel which neither missile carries, and it is the burning jet fuel combined with the impact from the aircraft which caused the buildings to collapse.

Plus you keep posting photos showing the damage claiming a plane couldn't have caused it yet there is aircraft wreckage in those pictures.

You fail.

 

[Deadie]

Somehow the residents of Conspiralandistan have rejected Ben Franklin (Three can keep a secret if two are dead) and the general principle of K.I.S.S. (keep it simple, stupid) for "the more the merrier" and the belief that the more moving parts involved in a plan the greater the chance for success.

It's like in the aftermath of the Boston bombings the CTs had to come to the conclusion, with pictures with arrows pointing at random various things of no importance, that the true perpetrators of the event secretly used flashbangs and smoke bombs to cover up the carefully pouring of fake blood on the ground instead of using an actual IED to cause genuine destruction...or moon landing hoaxers pointing out 'prop rocks' to prove their nonsense.

It's all so interesting on a psychological level as to why everything needs to be even more convoluted than necessary to achieve the same ends.

 

[Axxman300]

As I said, it is the same evidence used to justify the invasion, looting and occupation of sovereign nations. I would think that you would want to be more careful about what you think justifies the murder of thousands of innocent people.

Steve, you don't care about the lives of innocent people so quit hiding behind them. You don't care about people at all, you lack empathy and you think you're better than everyone.

With a wave of your hand you dismiss the murder of over 3,000 Americans on 9-11 because it conflicts with your simplistic, distorted, and naive political views. Yet you portray yourself as a crusader for humanity while foisting the single dumbest 9-11 conspiracy theory in existence, which I guess is an accomplishment.

Yes, the United States used 9-11 to prosecute foreign Islamic terrorists and their state sponsors. This is a fact and it is still open to honest debate about the wisdom of the concept of a "war" on a shapeless threat. However there is a difference between taking advantage of a catastrophic attack to advance a foreign policy with a narrow world view and faking or staging an attack to initiate armed conflict.

The American people weren't fooled by some dark cabal's Kabuki Theater on 9-11, the American people reacted to the attack the way the American people always have - by overreacting and inflicting non proportional retaliation on any and every perceived threat. Seriously, as a Native American sometime about how Americans respond to what they perceive as a genuine threat, ask Mexico, ask Spain, ask Imperial Japan, ask Manuel Noriega.

The US has a dark side and it has historically been facilitated by people like you - fools - who don't care to educated themselves about the workings of their country or government and are content to simply sit back and complain.

JSanderO is an honest broker who had questions about the attacks of 9-11, and still has some of the same questions, and is most definitely against our never ending wars in the Middle East. He represents millions of other like-minded honest people who would love to see the US evolve beyond our knee-jerk military response to all things terrorist. But he and all of those other people are ham-stringed by guys like you who throw crazy, ill-thought out conspiracy theories around making it easy for those on the other side of the argument to lump you in with JSanderO and then ignore everyone.

If I worked at the CIA running PsyOps I would have invented 9-11 Truth just as it unfolded to aid the war effort by undermining the anti-war movement in it's initial stages and handicapping it ever since.

 

[Robin]

Now you're just making things up.

Seriously? Are you saying that an airliner could crash into a building at 800 kph and not bend even a little???

the Purdue cartoon.

I have no idea what "the Purdue cartoon" you keep.referring to is.

You're still making things up. I have never said the wing would maintain its shape. I have said just the opposite. Anyone can scroll back on this thread, or click any of my links, to check for themselves.

You literally said this just a few words before. I said the plane would start to buckle and crumple as it hit and you said I was making things up.

You are building a whole case on the wings maintaining their shape as they go in, you have an animation of it doing that.

Make up your mind. Would the wings start to buckle as the engine hit or not?

 

[BStrong]

It's like in the aftermath of the Boston bombings the CTs had to come to the conclusion, with pictures with arrows pointing at random various things of no importance, that the true perpetrators of the event secretly used flashbangs and smoke bombs to cover up the carefully pouring of fake blood on the ground instead of using an actual IED to cause genuine destruction...or moon landing hoaxers pointing out 'prop rocks' to prove their nonsense.

It's all so interesting on a psychological level as to why everything needs to be even more convoluted than necessary to achieve the same ends.

When someone's worldview is based on action movies and super hero movies the concept of grand conspiracies and criminal masterminds make sense.

For those of us that live in the real world and have professional knowledge from investigating criminal conspiracies, all this claptrap would be funny if it didn't involve death and destruction.

 

[beachnut]

Sick Fantasy of fake video dies with RADAR and rational thinking

Proves.

Your posts prove you don't have a practical knowledge of physics, flying, science, missiles, fire, and more.

What about the RADAR data for Flight 175 and 11, which ends at the WTC? Now we have all of the FAA, NTSB, and the airlines faking your sick pathetic fantasy.

You lie about 9/11, and have failed to prove the videos are fake. In fact, the videos match the RADAR data and time.

Thus Radar, and video debunk your sick fantasy.

 

[yankee451]

Steve... there WERE eyewitnesses to the AA11 hitting the north tower. Not only the fire fighters seen in a video you will claim as staged... but many commuters driving southbound on the FDR drive where the twin towers... were clear as a bell that day and they say AA11 directly overhead rather low and then hit the towers.

I was in NY that day at work. I could see the smoke streaming from the towers. I have a friend who, an architect, worked on the 54th flr of tower 2. He saw the 2nd plane hit the tower.

Jeff,

And? So what. There were more witnesses that said they saw small planes, missiles or no planes at all. Not all the witnesses can be right. The damage evidence (that you keep avoiding) can thin out which of the witness accounts match the evidence, and which match the "official story."

 

[yankee451]

It was Manhattan in the middle of a weekday.
Of course thousands saw it.
Do you think the entirety of the city population are in on it?

I think the majority of the population are just as duped as you are.

 

[yankee451]

Then I need to bring you back to one of my first post in this thread and ask you again where the giant speakers were located that broadcast the sound of jet engines to apparently emanate from commercial passenger airliners and not the tiny missiles that do not share either a similar physical size nor sound profile.

Good lord, each engine on a 767 is not only physically larger than a JASSM but also weights 4 times as much.

"A loud sound that I can only describe as a missile, not an airplane"
https://youtu.be/5_a1foRId6M?t=90

 

[yankee451]

Seriously? Are you saying that an airliner could crash into a building at 800 kph and not bend even a little???
I have no idea what "the Purdue cartoon" you keep.referring to is.


You literally said this just a few words before. I said the plane would start to buckle and crumple as it hit and you said I was making things up.
You are building a whole case on the wings maintaining their shape as they go in, you have an animation of it doing that.
Make up your mind. Would the wings start to buckle as the engine hit or not?

I'm saying that whatever it is you want to believe, is not supported by the evidence.

This Purdue cartoon:
https://www.purdue.edu/uns/x/2007a/070612HoffmannWTC.html

In a normal plane crash, it would buckle and crumble, but that's not what happened in this case is it? The plane didn't deform at all as it slid effortlessly into the steel skyscraper. Nothing fell off. No part buckled, crunched or deformed. You have a vivid imagination, granted, but it is not supported by the facts. Or the Purdue cartoon.

https://www.purdue.edu/uns/x/2007a/070612HoffmannWTC.html

No. I answered this already. To you. You might want to scroll back on the thread.