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9-11 Facts Movement

It's funny, you're trying to give some credibility to the "First Time in History!" argument while at the same time desperately seeking some precedents.
 
ergo said:
It's funny, you're trying to give some credibility to the "First Time in History!" argument while at the same time desperately seeking some precedents.
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You know what's funnier Ergo? You believing Rosie O'Donnell! She's an actress for crying out loud & you believe that "First Time in History" crap!?
 
ergo said:
Your movement has provided no evidence of such. Your claims are unsupported, unless you intend to leave it at the theatre whose roof caved in, and a shoddily built, four-storey Thai sweatshop catching on fire, the details of which you have not provided.

If these are your examples, I would suggest you find some better ones, because these just make you look silly.

There is no visual evidence of raging fires beyond short-lived portions of a couple of floors in WTC7. Your claims are unsupported.
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Furniture store in Charleston SC.

http://forthardknox.com/2008/01/25/steel-buildings-that-collapsed-due-to-fire-before-9-11/

Can you post your evidence for claiming that the Kader Toy Factory was shoddily built?

There is plenty of evidence of raging fires in 7WTC. The fact is, you ignore them, and claim it was a smoldering fire.

Sorry, that is just stupid.
 
ergo said:
I wonder why these examples don't show up in here. Probably because they're different structures. If you really, really want these two examples as your sole examples, you can have them. But then we will need to include the Empire State Building plane crash as an example of a steel-framed building that experienced a plane crash and fire, and did not collapse. Okay?



I maintain that you really don't. But your whining makes me want to give in, just to shut you up.



You have shown me two dubious examples. Both of them theatres, for whatever reason. Neither of which had central steel supports. They apparently don't warrant mention in NIST's Historical Survey of Multi-Story Building Collapses Due to Fire. I wonder why.
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Why do you link to items in YOUR desktop? You know we can't access that, right?
 
Do you realize Ergo that you are simply re-posting an old truther logical fallacy template?

Your goalposts have already been moved for you by other truthers, And has now become a call to perfection logical fallacy.
http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#goalposts

claim = Fire can't melt steel
When shown that fire can weaken steel enough to cause failure

up comes goal post move 1) Never before have Steel framed buildings collapsed from fire

When shown examples up comes

goal post move 2) never beforehave steel framed buildings collapsed completely from fire

When shown examples up comes

goal post move 3) never beforehave steel framed High Rise buildings collapsed completely from fire
 
Too late, the NWO has noted the existence of the Tranny Porn folder on your desktop and has updated your files to reflect this. Next time you should name such folders something more mundane like "Transmission parts" or something not quite so obvious.
 
:D Well, that's actually what "WTC" was supposed to disguise!
 
triforcharity said:
Furniture store in Charleston SC.

http://forthardknox.com/2008/01/25/steel-buildings-that-collapsed-due-to-fire-before-9-11/

Can you post your evidence for claiming that the Kader Toy Factory was shoddily built?

There is plenty of evidence of raging fires in 7WTC. The fact is, you ignore them, and claim it was a smoldering fire.

Sorry, that is just stupid.
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Well, it's like arguing with my little kid. "No, it's not! No, it's not!" But ergo isn't cute like my kid, and my kid will grow up some day.

But that citation of yours had some interesting bits in it. That Sight & Sound Theater for one. The first engine crew in bringing in an inch-and-a-half line? :eek: Yeah, that'll work.
 
sts60 said:
Well, it's like arguing with my little kid. "No, it's not! No, it's not!" But ergo isn't cute like my kid, and my kid will grow up some day.

But that citation of yours had some interesting bits in it. That Sight & Sound Theater for one. The first engine crew in bringing in an inch-and-a-half line? :eek: Yeah, that'll work.
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Yeah, I thought that was pretty funny too. That is why fire codes should not be circumvented.

/ot
 
RedIbis said:
When shown examples up comes...?
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IN that stage of the argument, usually in exasperation, truthers are reminded that no steel-framed high rise the size of the WTC buildings has EVER been demolished with CD before, therefore it could never have happened.
 
I always find it funny when people try and tell firemen their jobs, it's almost as funny as watching people try and tell aerospace engineers theirs. Of course watching them try and tell firemen who are also aerospace engineers (hi sts60 :)) is bleeding hilarious.

BTW ergo, have you managed to locate that one proven fact that all truthers agree on yet?
 
twinstead said:
IN that stage of the argument, usually in exasperation, truthers are reminded that no steel-framed high rise the size of the WTC buildings has EVER been demolished with CD before, therefore it could never have happened.
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Who says it could never have happened? The fix you find yourself in is that since no steel framed high rise has ever collapsed due to fire, your argument that WTC 7 was fully expected to collapse is specious.

Mix in the fact that NIST used no physical evidence when modeling the collapse mechanism and you have an argument based on faith.
 
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