Merged 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[BigAl]

Why didn't you just say what they all say ? 'Where's your calculations' lol

Here's your math:

A WTC tower was 1200 ft tall and 110 floors.

The concrete was 4 inches thick per floor. Round that up to 12 inches per floor for the truss supports, etc. That means 110 ft of "content".

If you suck all the air out of the towers, the resulting pile would be something more than 110 ft tall.

That's about 12 floors high, still within 210x210 footprint.

About 6 floors of that sunk into the basement. That's almost half the volume.

Each tower was one acre in footprint in a plaza about 24 acres in size.

The debris (6 floors worth) that didn't sink into the basement was spread over 24 acres, for two towers, that's 12 times the footprint.​

 

[tsig]

So again I ask, what does this missing rubble indicate?

That Betty is the culprit?

 

[tsig]

That it's missing and we need a new 9/11 investugation to find out why.

Is this like "the dog that didn't bark" clue?

 

[BigAl]

...and that's what they empirically test for...and guess what ?....they find it in abundance.

Tell us, Bill. Cite your source.

 

[Klimax]

When I said that person was 'busted' I meant that she posted a lnk from one of her files debunking the ,4,000 Jews that did not show up for work on 9/11'. That particular story has been ignored already for years. The fact that she had a link ready and waiting to debunk it shows that she has been a debunker for a long time and may be even be a professional. You notice that her link was dead ? She never even checked and gave away that that was her stock-reply. 'Busted' as ever was.

Incredible...

DO NOT LIE WHEN YOU KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO BE CAUGHT! I have bolded your outright lie!

As for the rest,the claim is apparently absolutely same so the answer is readily available so it is YOU who is busted. It may be stock response,but since truther don't bring new claims,new links and research is not neccessary,except some exceptions. (Really small number of them)

 

[Justin39640]

Here is why the "pile" is nearly invisible in your photographs.
Do a little math;

A WTC tower was 1200 ft tall and 110 floors.

The concrete was 4 inches thick per floor. Round that up to 12 inches per floor for the truss supports, etc. That means 110 ft of "content".

If you suck all the air out of the towers, the resulting pile would be something more than 110 ft tall.

That's about 12 floors high, still within 210x210 footprint.

About 6 floors of that sunk into the basement.

Each tower was one acre in footprint in a plaza about 24 acres in size.

The debris was spread over 24 acres, for two towers, that's 12 times the footprint.​

you forgot about 7
3 4 5 and 6
a church
dont forget that under the plaza wasnt an empty void
it had a shopping mall
and a almost full parking garage
plus storage
substations
subways
etc

get the picture?

 

[bill smith]

i return to this pic i posted earlier
http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/2001/10/wtc/pdrm1956.jpg
looks like a lot of small pieces of concrete and its everywhere
but go ahead and ignore that too

As much as that.....

 

[Myriad]

Why didn't you just say what they all say ? 'Where's your calculations' lol

Because phrasing it that way implies some possibility that you might actually have done some or will do some. In the light of all past experience, that notion lacks any plausibility so there is no good reason to imply it. It makes more sense to simply restate the fact that you have provided no calculations or any other evidence to back up your claim, and are unlikely ever to do so, and leave it at that.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[TjW]

So again I ask, what does this missing rubble indicate?

That Betty is the culprit?

No, this was missing concrete and iron, not flint stones.

 

[Macgyver1968]

So the rest fell to the ground. Show me some pics then and I don't mean enough to make a rockery.

Don't try that "show me pictures that have already been posted a million times" thing with me. That just won't wash. I have been nothing but considerate to your position, and I would expect the same from you. Don't try to make me prove your position, that's your job.

Others have posted many photographs of the rubble, you can view them for yourself. You will see lots of broken concrete. Your estimate to its weight is irrelevant, as you aren't an expert. Do you have any other evidence that the pile was smaller than it should have been, other than your own analysis of the photos?

 

[beachnut]

Why didn't you just say what they all say ? 'Where's your calculations' lol

Floor pans, some metal stuff you were looking for, oops, concrete that are big rock size. OOPS; your lies are proved. Why do you lie?

We have 19 acres in some places as high as 5 stories of ruble with the entire WTC complex; nothing is missing except your evidence.

No lumps of thermite were found at the WTC. Zero thermite was found on any floor pan, or steel, or in the ruble pile. The tons of thermite in Jones failed brain full of idiotic ideas are not at the WTC; he is a liar.

 

[bill smith]

Tell us, Bill. Cite your source.

Ref;Dr. S Jones. Prof.Neils Harrit. Kevin Ryan B.sc etc etc.

 

[Justin39640]

As much as that.....

you must be blind
by what i have no idea

 

[bill smith]

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/124474551a1838e01c.jpg[/qimg]
Floor pans, some metal stuff you were looking for, oops, concrete that are big rock size. OOPS; your lies are proved. Why do you lie?

We have 19 acres in some places as high as 5 stories of ruble with the entire WTC complex; nothing is missing except your evidence.

No lumps of thermite were found at the WTC. Zero thermite was found on any floor pan, or steel, or in the ruble pile. The tons of thermite in Jones failed brain full of idiotic ideas are not at the WTC; he is a liar.

Now maybe I COULD get a small rockery out of those.

 

[BigAl]

Ref;Dr. S Jones. Prof.Neils Harrit. Kevin Ryam B.sc etc etc.

For the purposes of WTC, frauds, all of them.

 

[tsig]

It was a cell phone it beats your specifications by a bunch. And it is a microwave like frequency; you have done it!!!


A cell phone; it vibrates in the electromagnetic spectrum at 2,500,000,000 time per second. That is more than your hundreds of thousands of cycle a second; 900 times 9000 would only be 8,100,000; so it must of been the cell phones at 2,500,000,000 hz modified to excite the concrete and steel and send them to fantasy-land.

OMG, all the cell phones were set to a certain frequency then they WERE ALL RANG SIMULTANEOUSLY this produced a microwave pulse that vaporized the concrete to dust and it blew away on the wind, the steel turned molten and fell thus accounting for the "faster thatn free fall" and the molten metal.

That's a better than bs account!

 

[Justin39640]

Kevin Ryam B.

did you mean Kevin Ryan
formerly of UL?

 

[beachnut]

Ref;Dr. S Jones. Prof.Neils Harrit. Kevin Ryam B.sc etc etc.

They had to pay to publish their failed research. Why did they fail to earn a Pulitzer Prize for this delusion? Delusion may be the clue.

More big chunks of concrete, and floor pans, and metal stuff you said were missing! No thermite products or thermite damaged items; we never found any thermite stuff at the WTC. Why; because Jones made up thermite 4 years after 911 and only a few who believe idiotic ideas on 911 fall for Jones' lie. Like you.

 

[bill smith]

Don't try that "show me pictures that have already been posted a million times" thing with me. That just won't wash. I have been nothing but considerate to your position, and I would expect the same from you. Don't try to make me prove your position, that's your job.

Others have posted many photographs of the rubble, you can view them for yourself. You will see lots of broken concrete. Your estimate to its weight is irrelevant, as you aren't an expert. Do you have any other evidence that the pile was smaller than it should have been, other than your own analysis of the photos?

Not really. But I have said most of what I wanted to say. I will keep you updated as new information informs the old. Thanks for your input.

 

[tsig]

Maybe there was a black hole generator hidden in the basement. And Silverstein´s "Pull it" was the order to turn them on and pull down wtc 1&2 with its gravity. It then ate a few 1000 tons of rubble before being turned off.

What you say Bill, does it sound likely, or are there some error in the idea.

Small defect in design.

The black hole ate the timer so the generator had to be shut off manually. One brave Technician 1st class sacrificed his life however in one of the quirks of the BH he was thrown forward and backward in time and I am that tech. Yes I am the witness, the perpetrator and the whistleblower all at once.