Merged 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[Justin39640]

Embrace the Truth dtugg, for the Truth shall set you free.

I think Media professionals are finally quietly coming on board if his trailer for a mere appearance is anything to go by. Better late than never.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg2I...owthread.php?t=144055&feature=player_embedded

im still waiting for your opinion on the east penthouse collapsing in bldg 7
you skipped right over it
why?

and how can you (as a truther) still support gage after that embarrassing display?

 

[bill smith]

Perhaps you should offer your engineering consultancy services to Richard Gage's architecture company?

Perhaps I'll ask another well known engineer to run his eye over these posts.What harm can it do ?

 

[bill smith]

im still waiting for your opinion on the east penthouse collapsing in bldg 7
you skipped right over it
why?

and how can you (as a truther) still support gage after that embarrassing display?

I see it as two seperate events. First the penthouse fell . that was event one.
..and then there was a long hiatus
Then the globlal collapse of the main building ocurred. That was event Two

I only talk about event two- the global collapse of the building. Even Newton would say it was two seperate events.

After the first event the building may have suffered some local damage inside. Local damage does not lead to the kind of collapse we saw.The collapse of one 350 ton column does not lead to the simultaneous collapse of 40,000 tons of structural steel.

 

[bill smith]

Keep saying that. Someone who hasn't seen the pictures might believe you.



The sensible thing to do would be to send the wind loads to the part of the structure designed to handle them i.e. the perimeter columns. The hat truss was designed specifically to do this. I'm not surprised that you continue to pretend not to get this.

Dave

I suppose the core columns ran right up to the roof Dave ? If so, would they not have attached he ntenna to those columns ? Would they have deliberately avoided attaching to the core clolumns specifically so they could attach the antenna to the hat truss instead ? (even though the hat truss itself was welded tothe core columns)

 

[Jackanory]

I suppose the core columns ran right up to the roof Dave ? If so, would they not have attached he ntenna to those columns ? Would they have deliberately avoided attaching to the core clolumns specifically so they could attach the antenna to the hat truss instead ? (even though the hat truss itself was welded tothe core columns)

Predictable Bill. Yet flawed. Keep it coming.

 

[Toke]

Normal tap water pressure is 4-5 bar, that will not rise more than 40-50m.

So there were no water on the rest of the floors.

Any yet the drawings show toilets on the upper floors.

How likely is it that those floors were rented out at all?
And where did those thousands of people really work?


Answer that Bill.

 

[beachnut]

Richard is really beginning to gain in confidence isn't he ? He comes over really quite convincingly in this interview. Soon we will have a new enquiry that will establish the Truth which is all we have been asking nicely for all along. Let the chips fall where they may.

Gage is a dolt who spews the dumbest ideas about 911. If Gage makes national news it will fuel idiots to stand up and be exposed as nut cases. It is self critiquing. There is no Pulitzer Prize for being insane and spreading dirt dumb ideas about 911.

He is more confident and is spewing more insane ideas on 911; he says check the boards of the security firms. He is off the deep end of stupid and you are jumping in after him by posting lies, hearsay, and dirt dumb delusions on 911. Gage is a sideshow of stupid. His followers, cult members can't think for themselves and post his videos of stupid with no ability to backup a single lie Gage makes.

Gage has cult members send him money so he can travel. The cult members fail to use their own minds to figure out 911. They let Gage do their thinking. How dumb do you have to be to join Gage's cult?

He shows WTC7 fall but does not tell anyone the penthouse fell into the building seconds before the facade fell. He is a misleading liar.

His membership; people who can't think for themselves.

 

[Minadin]

Perhaps you should offer your engineering consultancy services to Richard Gage's architecture company?

Perhaps I'll ask another well known engineer to run his eye over these posts.What harm can it do ?

And, he chose Heiwa. Luckily, they won't be building anything at all, let alone anything tall, because their engineering expertise would consist of a novice who doesn't understand how guy-wires work, a 'naval engineer' who thinks that buildings behave exactly like boats, lemons, and pizza boxes, and Richard "Queen of Cardboard" Gage.

 

[phunk]

I suppose the core columns ran right up to the roof Dave ? If so, would they not have attached he ntenna to those columns ? Would they have deliberately avoided attaching to the core clolumns specifically so they could attach the antenna to the hat truss instead ? (even though the hat truss itself was welded tothe core columns)

One of the reasons for the hat truss is to spread the load of the antenna's weight over a wide number of columns, both core and perimeter. Attaching the antenna directly to the core columns underneath it would bypass the hat truss and defeat that purpose.

 

[Toke]

Where has bill the plumber gone?
This is far more serius than that silly antenna.

 

[Sparky]

Richard is really beginning to gain in confidence isn't he ? He comes over really quite convincingly in this interview. Soon we will have a new enquiry that will establish the Truth which is all we have been asking nicely for all along. Let the chips fall where they may.

Aren't you the same guy that said the Jones Thermite paper was going to rock the world? Only a matter of days and all that?

 

[Jackanory]

Give Bill a chance folks. He's away a while to re -think his strategy.

He has a short term memory/amnesia problem and cant remember discussing as photo yesterday where he clearly agreed seeing the guide wires and discusses them. Yet today he says he hasnt seen any guide wires and posts the same photo with guide wires missing and then demands evidence of them. Fraud.

Classic stuff from Heiwa's ego building buddy.

 

[Toke]

Bill, Heiwa, and Gage, the axis of ???

 

[Jackanory]

Bill, Heiwa, and Gage, the axis of ???

Uranus

 

[Justin39640]

I see it as two seperate events. First the penthouse fell . that was event one.
..and then there was a long hiatus
Then the globlal collapse of the main building ocurred. That was event Two

I only talk about event two- the global collapse of the building. Even Newton would say it was two seperate events.

After the first event the building may have suffered some local damage inside. Local damage does not lead to the kind of collapse we saw.The collapse of one 350 ton column does not lead to the simultaneous collapse of 40,000 tons of structural steel.

of course you see it as two totally unconnected events... that happened 3 seconds apart
most rational people would see that as the start of a collapse sequence

and how do you know how many columns were intact
wheres did you get that only 1 was damaged
NIST points to 3 columns that failed for the penthouse to collapse like that

i like how you laugh at 350 tons like its nothing
thats the same as 4 fully loaded tractor trailers lol

 

[A W Smith]

I suppose the core columns ran right up to the roof Dave ? If so, would they not have attached he ntenna to those columns ? Would they have deliberately avoided attaching to the core clolumns specifically so they could attach the antenna to the hat truss instead ? (even though the hat truss itself was welded tothe core columns)

in a word

No

the hat truss resists the overturning of the mast. What you are seeing in the image you posted is simply exterior cladding of the protruding element of the hat truss. You need this cladding to prevent rainwater from migrating into the structure. If the mast is attached to the core only the narrow footprint of the core would be able to resist the overturning of the mast. Think of the hat truss as the outriggers of a mobile crane. They don't do any good preventing the crane from overturning while retracted. they must be fully extended outward.

Hat truss protruding
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/channel/100/extra/new/pos/326/display/16135881

mast installed
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajmexico/2718718400/
Debunked!

Next!

 

[bill smith]

in a word

No

the hat truss resists the overturning of the mast. What you are seeing in the image you posted is simply exterior cladding of the protruding element of the hat truss. You need this cladding to prevent rainwater from migrating into the structure. If the mast is attached to the core only the narrow footprint of the core would be able to resist the overturning of the mast. Think of the hat truss as the outriggers of a mobile crane. They don't do any good preventing the crane from overturning while retracted. they must be fully extended outward.

Hat truss protruding
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/channel/100/extra/new/pos/326/display/16135881

mast installed
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajmexico/2718718400/
Debunked!

Next!

I'ts a pity we didn't find that ysterday. I notice that the cables had been pre-installed.
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/channel/100/extra/new/pos/326/display/16135881

 

[bill smith]

of course you see it as two totally unconnected events... that happened 3 seconds apart
most rational people would see that as the start of a collapse sequence

and how do you know how many columns were intact
wheres did you get that only 1 was damaged
NIST points to 3 columns that failed for the penthouse to collapse like that

i like how you laugh at 350 tons like its nothing
thats the same as 4 fully loaded tractor trailers lol

When all four corners of WTC7 fell at the same time a sequential collapse was instantly ruled out.

 

[Justin39640]

When all four corners of WTC7 fell at the same time a sequential collapse was instantly ruled out.

yeah the "kink" in the middle had nothing to do with that either?

so it was a little more than just the corners

too bad you cant edit that part out too

 

[bill smith]

yeah the "kink" in the middle had nothing to do with that either?

so it was a little more than just the corners

too bad you cant edit that part out too

You mean the classic 'kink'that was observed ? This is a well known feature of controlled demolitions

Have a look in this video I found. There is footage here I've never seen before of WTC7.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atbrn4k55lA wtc7