JohnG
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You do seem more relaxed with the hat on.
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I certainly did get some deep perceptions out of that exchange. Interesting how some are prepared to accept it as the genuine article too. It's not difficult to imagine that they would defend the OCT under any circumstances or under the weight of absolutely any evidence to the contrary maybe even including the signed cnfession of GW himself.
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Poe thought some others were mad
he said they were terribly bad
Until on a night
he found they were right
and he had to accept he'd been had.
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The rest is just these damn rubber keyboards.
Dave Rogers
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Bill, are you confusing the small angle irons in the foreground, that support the light metal walkway around the base of the antenna, with the actual antenna supports, which can't be seen under the walkway because the area is in shadow? Because I think the actual antenna support is the four massive steel tubes running down the corners - you can see three of them - and that these continue down through the skin of the roof into the hat truss.
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That's what I would have expected too. A long central pin of steel over which the bottom of the antenna is slid plus some more supports and cables- 360 feet tall after all.
Here's another pic.
http://www.city-data.com/cpic/ufiles516.jpg
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What is even your point bill? You know nothing about engineering and obviously the the supports were enough to support the antenna as it was there for decades.
Or perhaps the World Trade Center never existed, that every photo of it is fake and anybody that's claimed to seen it is a liar. Who knows?
Or perhaps the World Trade Center never existed, that every photo of it is fake and anybody that's claimed to seen it is a liar. Who knows?
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Hopefully, these pictures should clear things up a little.
Take a look near the base and note what the roof is doing.
Now, the reason you can not see the guy wires in the other shot(you can actually see some of them) is because the picture is too close.
In the spoiler below is a large version of the picture where you can see more of the guy wires.
Take a look near the base and note what the roof is doing.
Now, the reason you can not see the guy wires in the other shot(you can actually see some of them) is because the picture is too close.
In the spoiler below is a large version of the picture where you can see more of the guy wires.
And off Bill goes tail between legs to find some other line of BS
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Good pic. Thanks. How do you think it was attached to the hat truss right below it ? Bolted on. welded on or a steel post going down hrough the hat truss and up nto the antenna ? It still looks a little light on cables to me.
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Why Bill? Is this another Pose, Pause, Pounce conundrum where you faill again at the Pounce stage. What are you trying to establish Bill? Spit it out. You know you want too.
Dave Rogers
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It appears to have been attached by four massive steel girders inside the four steel tubes I pointed out earlier, and four trapezoidal steel plates with bracing flanges on the four sides in between them. There may have been a ninth steel column running up the middle, I can't tell. All in all, an extremely strong structure. You can see it under construction in a photo at http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/hattruss.html - it's very clearly the same structure.
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Your failing Bill. Best to Pause a little longer to reassess your comeback to suit.
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I didn't see any info on that in the link you gave Dave. About the massive girders and so on. Is that your own guess ? Is this the photo you meant ?
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/docs/dsc00168s.jpg
If so this is only the top of the hat truss. The antenna was added in 1978.
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Dave Rogers
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No, it's the result of looking at the picture and seeing what's there. Look at the diagrams of the hat truss, on the same page I linked to, and it appears that the structure in the photograph is an upward extension from the centre of the hat truss. Compare this with the shape of the base of the antenna and it appears that this structure corresponds exactly to the size and shape of the bottom of the antenna. For someone who's trying to find out how the antenna was attached, that's a good enough indication. For someone who's trying to demonstrate that there is no irrefutable evidence that the antenna even existed, maybe it isn't, but there is such a thing as a reasonable standard of evidence.
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I want to get a realistic picture of how it might have been attached.There must have been at least a long strong column or assembly of columns running up through the middle of the hat truss extending down to be welded to the core.
The antenna would have exerted tremendous force when it was acted upon by the wind and a simple welded or bolted connection to the top of the hat truss would have not done surely ?.
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Dave Rogers
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Something like that, maybe. The photo on the page I linked is most likely a picture of that assembly. They wouldn't need to run right through the hat truss; the job of the hat truss was to support the antenna, and if the antenna had connected directly to the core then the hat truss would have been redundant.
The connection shown in the photograph looks more than adequate. The majority of the forces would have been torque rather than lateral force, and the guy wires were there to handle that.
There's a 1000 foot radio mast not far from where I live, held up by fifteen bracing wires. The connection at the base is remarkably small, in fact it looks more like a pivot than a solid connection. The WTC1 antenna connection looks a good deal more solid to me.
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