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T.A.M. said:
This group, however, seems insanely blissful to it all. It is as if they have fingers in their ears. They spew their crap, and when we clearly show them wrong, or call them on their lies, they just continue, as if we have not said a word. It is strange, but I am damned if I can figure out why, short of GENUINE MENTAL ILLNESS, that they are behaving this way.

TAM:)
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Because they are, uh, ... "heroic"??

Plus they are MUCH more concise than you or me, TAM.

While we take paragraphs of space and require (dang it), like uh, "thinking" to make our points, they can simply type "lol". And that makes every thing that we've typed magically disappears.

"The World According to Gak".

:rolleyes:

tom
 
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Cl1mh4224rd said:
There isn't enough resolution in the existing videos of the event. It's like asking why we can't see fine detail in this image of Mars, or why the Hubble can't see the Lunar rover.




But even if you're in the front row of a rock concert, you're not going to see the strings on the lead's guitar vibrate.
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And you aren't gonna see a guitar string vibrate on a 30 frame per second video either. You will see it go indistinct ...

Someone who gives a damn explain to billy why, on TV, when a wagon goes forward, the wheels appear to spin backwards...

tom
 
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Childlike Empress said:
Or disinfo (I could also name a couple that would fit this bill as well).
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The idea of disinfo in the truth movement is rather silly to me. That would imply it had any solid support and needed to actually be taken down. They would have to be either a) on the mark with their analysis, and growing in support, or b) still wrong, but still growing dangerously enough to warrant attempts to bring them down.

It's as small a group as it ever was, with no traction, and rapidlly falling from there.

Why would anyone even need to disinfo them? They do a good enough job on their own.

But I don't object to the suggstion that people actively parody truthers to make them look foolish, just for their own fun. It seems that is going on sometimes.
 
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Whiplash said:
The idea of disinfo in the truth movement is rather silly to me. That would imply it had any solid support and needed to actually be taken down. They would have to be either a) on the mark with their analysis, and growing in support, or b) still wrong, but still growing dangerously enough to warrant attempts to bring them down.

It's as small a group as it ever was, with no traction, and rapidlly falling from there.

Why would anyone even need to disinfo them? They do a good enough job on their own.

But I don't object to the suggstion that people actively parody truthers to make them look foolish, just for their own fun. It seems that is going on sometimes.
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Well of course it is silly, but expected. These people create, as they go, this fantasy world where they are the keepers of the real "truth" about 9/11. they see themselves as this underground group of would be heroes who will one day rise to overthrow "The Man".

In their world, it is more exciting to believe that "The Man" has sent people into their fold to make them look bad.

It is silly and sad, all at once.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
I suppose if you look at them as ridiculously stupid/dumb/obnoxious versions of a group, used as strawmen, so to speak, to make the entire movement look worse, then yes [...]
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Even then, why carry out such a disinformation campaign here, on the JREF Forums, where the general opinion of conspiracy theorists is already about as low as it can possibly be?

And that's not to mention that, when you get right down to it, we're a rather insignificant blip in the larger world population. Resources would be better spent by throwing a handful of "lunatics" at live broadcasts in high-population areas.

It seems that only truthers significantly play up the importance of minuscule forum communities.

T.A.M. said:
In their world, it is more exciting to believe that "The Man" has sent people into their fold to make them look bad.
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Bingo. The worst thing you could do to a conspiracy theorist is ignore them. Pretending that The Government™ is not only paying attention to them, but actively trying to oppose them, is a form of validation.
 
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Truth Action Ottawa interviews 9/11 witness Mr. David Long


9-11 eyewitness testimony
On May 8, 2009, members of Truth Action Ottawa interviewed Mr. David Long, who was in downtown Manhattan the morning of September 11, 2001. Mr. Long recounts everything he saw and heard that morning, including multiple streams of molten metal pouring from the buildings before they fell, and the sounds of multiple explosions as the buildings came down.
http://truthactionottawa.com/main/?page_id=492 Full Interview
 
Truth Action Ottawa interviews 9/11 witness Mr. David Long

9-11 eyewitness testimony
On May 8, 2009, members of Truth Action Ottawa interviewed Mr. David Long, who was in downtown Manhattan the morning of September 11, 2001. Mr. Long recounts everything he saw and heard that morning, including multiple streams of molten metal pouring from the buildings before they fell, and the sounds of multiple explosions as the buildings came down.
http://truthactionottawa.com/main/?page_id=492 Full Interview
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Let me know when the transcript comes out. I might pick it apart.

I'm sure this video will impresses the children that never worked in a high-rise office building or in a trader's floor in a financial institution where people never leave the floor during business hours. Been There. Done all of the above.

I watched the first 8 minutes and gave up. This looks like an hour of stupid when it should be edited down to 10 minutes of stupid.

He makes a big deal of a standard highrise firedrill a week prior to 9/11 and insinuates all sorts of evil into the fact that the guy running on that floor wanted to get it over with quickly. That is because he has 10 or 20 other floors he has to do that day.
 
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Has there ever been anyone, anywhere proven to be actually a paid disinfo agent? :con2: "Disinfo" is just another twoofer myth, I think. Occam's Razor suggests that those people are just nuts and/or wrong.
 
Hokulele said:
(Don't mind me. I am a bit grumpy tonight and trying to avoid the serious threads.)
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Well... you're likely to bounce back in no time if you're reading/posting here and in R&P :D

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Not a single truther has proven it. I've had a few throw the reports of the government running ops like cointelpro on activist groups in the 60s and some more recent law enforcement infiltrations of other activist groups as proof it's possible and therefore without a doubt happening to them.

Calling someone paid disinfo is just a truther's way of self-rationalizing that they're not crazy, that there must be some reason why a vast majority of people don't buy into 9/11 truth. And, since the actual heroes of the day are keeping quiet about the inside jobby job to protect their pensions, Larry Silverstein raked in billions and KBR/Halliburton made so much off the ensuing wars...

(I also think it makes young rage-against-the-machine truthers who have issues with holding down jobs feel a greater sense of purpose in their lives. Sure, they're on the internet all day... but they're fighting imaginary enemies and revealing great injustices!
But that's just one fellow's opinion.)
 
orphia nay said:
Has there ever been anyone, anywhere proven to be actually a paid disinfo agent? :con2: "Disinfo" is just another twoofer myth, I think. Occam's Razor suggests that those people are just nuts and/or wrong.
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Check this lot out then.

CENTCOM announced in 2008 that a team of employees would be "[engaging] bloggers who are posting inaccurate or untrue information, as well as bloggers who are posting incomplete information."
The Air Force is now also engaging bloggers. Indeed, an Air Force spokesman said:
"We obviously have many more concerns regarding cyberspace than a typical Social Media user," Capt. Faggard says. "I am concerned with how insurgents or potential enemies can use Social Media to their advantage. It's our role to provide a clear and accurate, completely truthful and transparent picture for any audience."
In other words, the government is targeting "social media", including popular user-ranked news sites.
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/01/government-heavily-manipulates-social.html


http://www.sheilacasey.com/2009/01/paid-blog-attack-armies-flood-blogs-with-comments.html article


http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1056648.html Zionist bloggers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awy8cmcuBlk&feature=related video on cointelpro
 
bill smith said:
Check this lot out then.

CENTCOM announced in 2008 that a team of employees would be "[engaging] bloggers who are posting inaccurate or untrue information, as well as bloggers who are posting incomplete information."
The Air Force is now also engaging bloggers. Indeed, an Air Force spokesman said:
"We obviously have many more concerns regarding cyberspace than a typical Social Media user," Capt. Faggard says. "I am concerned with how insurgents or potential enemies can use Social Media to their advantage. It's our role to provide a clear and accurate, completely truthful and transparent picture for any audience."
In other words, the government is targeting "social media", including popular user-ranked news sites.
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/01/government-heavily-manipulates-social.html


http://www.sheilacasey.com/2009/01/paid-blog-attack-armies-flood-blogs-with-comments.html article


http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1056648.html Zionist bloggers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awy8cmcuBlk&feature=related video on cointelpro
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Well Bill then what you ought to do is to unplug your computer, cancel your internet connection, sell your house and go into hiding.
 
bill smith said:
Depending on how it goes that could be either of us.
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Meanwhile, the other loon movement, the "Obama-isn't-A-Citizen" crowd has built more of a movement in 4 months than the "Truth Movement" has in 7 years.

Bill is an example of why.
 
bill smith said:
Depending on how it goes that could be either of us.
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That's cute. A subtle threat that "we" might be targeted should the Truth Movement prevail?

/me checks his calendar.
For a movement that believes itself to be fighting a great injustice, you guys sure seem rather slothful about it.
 
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