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calories in fluids, this is going worldwide!! Full Exposure!!

I like cheeseburgers and I have had 7 beers today.

I just found out on CNN that this mornings orange juice has 120 calories. And coffee has a ton of calories too. and if i cut out those two for a year I can lose 15 pounds!
 
kevin Ryan talked in one of these interviews about going after the perps and interestingly, to investigate debunkers to find out why they are so motivated to assist in the coverup.
Because, interestingly enough, I'm interested in facts, not supposition, slander, cherry-picked quotes and faulty application of half-understood physical principles.

You know, truth and justice instead of falsehoods and lynch mobs.
 
bill:

There is a thread about the new Jones paper, if you want opinions on it.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139293

Seems like he has found paint chips. Go read the thead, it is really "interesting".

Jones is a hopeless failure as a scientist, and as a truther.

TAM:)

Jones is not the first, nor even the second author of the paper. Secondly, in all due respect, it's somewhat transparent and silly of you to call them paint chips when they address specifically why it is not.

You are one of the friendliest and most effective posters on the forum, do you admit you haven't actually read the paper?
 
Jones is not the first, nor even the second author of the paper. Secondly, in all due respect, it's somewhat transparent and silly of you to call them paint chips when they address specifically why it is not.

You are one of the friendliest and most effective posters on the forum, do you admit you haven't actually read the paper?

Red, we already have a thread over there, and your boys got their freaking asses handed to them over the weekend.

it is micaceous iron oxide bonded with paint containing Kaolin. Cripes, your idiot pals don't even claim it is thermite. Game over Red.

by the way, I'll have to assume that you did not read the ******** vanity piece of crap paper either.
 
If this thermite evidence is proven I don't think we need to have an investigation to prove that 9/11 was an inside job. We only need the investigation to apportion blame and exact retribution.This is pretty well exactly the opposite intention to that f the 9/11 commission who said they did not want to blame anybody for anything, did not want to point the finger. We will have to see what is to be done with the 9/11 commissioners themselves.
 
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Jones is not the first, nor even the second author of the paper. Secondly, in all due respect, it's somewhat transparent and silly of you to call them paint chips when they address specifically why it is not.

You are one of the friendliest and most effective posters on the forum, do you admit you haven't actually read the paper?

Red, they did one single experiment on one single chip and compared it to a paint sample of unknown origin or composition (yes, paints differ substantially in composition beyond the fact that their pigmentations are different) and broadly extrapolated from that to exclude paint as a possibility. That's plain sloppy. Their exclusion was far from being definitive.

Regarding thermite: I can find flour, yeast, salt, and water in my kitchen, but I differentiate it from cake and bread. I apply that similarly to these findings of "thermitic material". Furthermore, as Mackey pointed out, there are elements of the physical characteristics that rule out thermite, not the least of which is the potential energy available that Jones made so much out of. On top of that, Jones has not made any strides towards proving that the materials were there in proper stoichiometric proportions, and that's a significant issue in my mind.

The sad thing is, the more I read this, the more I consign this to the same hole that the microspheres paper resides in. This is shoddy experimentation that makes a whole lot of the spectroscopy and handwaves so much of the conclusions drawn from it. It's a fig leaf for believers, and the sad thing is that people like you want to believe it. It's keeping you from all rational analysis. People evangelizing that paper, like the effervescently repetative Galileo, seem to want to divorce the paper from the fact that no signs of thermite use was spotted on the recovered steel, yet have no problem saying it "disproves" the NIST collapse scenario. Just how much abuse of logic must one do to reach that conclusion? Even if Jones were somehow miraculously correct, and did indeed identify a highly refined "nano" thermite, the evidence points at it having no effect on the steel, since all of it that was recovered (save for that in the impact/fire zones) showed zero signs of incendiary severance and every possible sign of mechanic distortion and severance.

That paper isn't even confirmation bias. It's a hollow work that allows truthers to continue mistaking cargo-cult science for the real thing. About the only useful thing it does is demonstrate just how willing people are to jettison critical thinking in favor of embracing a position regardless of the lack of support it has. And that's a sad thing to establish.
 
Jones is not the first, nor even the second author of the paper. Secondly, in all due respect, it's somewhat transparent and silly of you to call them paint chips when they address specifically why it is not.

You are one of the friendliest and most effective posters on the forum, do you admit you haven't actually read the paper?

absolutely I have not read it. I have read Sunstealer's discussion on it. Are you saying Sunstealer is wrong in his conclusions, and if so, how is he wrong?

TAM:)
 
If this thermite evidence is proven I don't think we need to have an investigation to prove that 9/11 was an inside job. We only need the investigation to apportion blame and exact retribution.This is pretty well exactly the opposite intention to that f the 9/11 commission who said they did not want to blame anybody for anything, did not want to point the finger. We will have to see what is to be done with the 9/11 commissioners themselves.

don't get your hope up bill. It is paint.

TAM:)
 
show me where they took the paint from the WTC, in any fashion, and compared it with the "chips"? If they have not compared it to the proper controls (the paint(s) used in the WTC) then how can they eliminate it as a possibility. Paint is not an element, it has many many variations in terms of chemical make up, to say the least.


Perhaps I will go read the paper, what I can stomach of it, simply to to trash it. You see Red, as much as I find you to be civil, and in many cases above the fray (and for that you get my respect) I find Jones to be a snake oil salesmen of the nth degree, and a poor scientist to boot. His papers, that I have read have been unworthy of submission to entry level college courses, let alone what I would expect from a PhD.

TAM:)
 
So, does Sherwin-Williams stock this thermite paint?

I'm thinking about building an aluminum equipment barn that I plan to blow up in 40 years and blame on Islamic terrorists.
 
Hold up now. Is there really an accusation that the WTC was painted with thermite laced paint?

Is that really what they are suggesting? Oh my.
 
show me where they took the paint from the WTC, in any fashion, and compared it with the "chips"? If they have not compared it to the proper controls (the paint(s) used in the WTC) then how can they eliminate it as a possibility. Paint is not an element, it has many many variations in terms of chemical make up, to say the least.


Perhaps I will go read the paper, what I can stomach of it, simply to to trash it. You see Red, as much as I find you to be civil, and in many cases above the fray (and for that you get my respect) I find Jones to be a snake oil salesmen of the nth degree, and a poor scientist to boot. His papers, that I have read have been unworthy of submission to entry level college courses, let alone what I would expect from a PhD.

TAM:)


You seem to be taking this a bit too personally. Please remember what's been said many times already about this paper, Jones is not the primary, nor secondary author. This was produced by a team of nine scientists. Apparently, unless I'm mistaken, some of the work was done at a BYU lab, by a BYU scientist other than Jones. There may be a thawing in BYU's attitude toward this controversial study.
 
I wonder how hard the Whitehouse will be watching the media right now ? Who of them will be the first to break the story? And it is a BIG story as nobody can deny.
I wonder how much the American people actually WANT to know ? All very interesting stuff isn't it ?
 
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I wonder how hard the Whitehouse will be watching the media right now ? Who of them will be the first to break the story? And it is a BIG story as nobody can deny.
I wonder how much the American people want to know ? All very interesting stuff isn't it ?

Dude, you are joking right?

This will NEVER be in the mainstream media. NEVER.

And do you know why? Because it is useless crap. Utter crap.

Move on.
 
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