Merged 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[RedIbis]

Does not believe the US government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks.

So?

Are you not the slightest bit embarassed that your perspective is so one dimensional?

 

[1337m4n]

So?

Are you not the slightest bit embarassed that your perspective is so one dimensional?

Sad, dude. Just sad. Sometimes I honestly pity you.

 

[T.A.M.]

I have to agree with Red here. The fact that Red, by most accounts, is a LIHOP with MIHOP leanings, does not prohibit him from liking a particular Presidential Candidate, and does not limit him to only a candidate who supports his views on 9/11.

That said, this is the thread to keep this type of sniping in, so carry on gentlemen.

TAM

 

[twinstead]

Yea, at least he's not like some others and claiming that since Obama was elected it means most Americans think 911 was an inside job.

 

[RedIbis]

I'm a NY Yankees fan so obviously I think Joba is a twoofilious twoofie.

I like Italian food so obviously I think pasta is a twoofilious twoofini.

 

[johnny karate]

I think that point being made here is that Red, like many Truthers, will soon find himself in the uncomfortable position of having to reconcile that fact that a president he likes and supports shows no inclination towards his beliefs about 9/11.

Gone are the salad days of conflating hatred for the Bush administration with possible government involvement in the 9/11 attacks, and Truthers like Red will have to come up with reasons other than corruption and villainy to explain Obama's lack of interest in finding The Truth.

 

[T.A.M.]

I think that point being made here is that Red, like many Truthers, will soon find himself in the uncomfortable position of having to reconcile that fact that a president he likes and supports shows no inclination towards his beliefs about 9/11.

Gone are the salad days of conflating hatred for the Bush administration with possible government involvement in the 9/11 attacks, and Truthers like Red will have to come up with reasons other than corruption and villainy to explain Obama's lack of interest in finding The Truth.

I agree, that for many of the rabid Bush hating MIHOPers, it will be most uncomfortable. I just don't seeit being that hard for Red...I may be wrong.

TAM

 

[RedIbis]

I agree, that for many of the rabid Bush hating MIHOPers, it will be most uncomfortable. I just don't seeit being that hard for Red...I may be wrong.

TAM

Really? You don't think I base every decision of my life on who I think is a twoofie twoofer?

 

[T.A.M.]

No, not really. And I think you might, just might, have a life outside of "the internets".

TAM

 

[TJM]

I think that point being made here is that Red, like many Truthers, will soon find himself in the uncomfortable position of having to reconcile that fact that a president he likes and supports shows no inclination towards his beliefs about 9/11.

Gone are the salad days of conflating hatred for the Bush administration with possible government involvement in the 9/11 attacks, and Truthers like Red will have to come up with reasons other than corruption and villainy to explain Obama's lack of interest in finding The Truth.

Meh. They'll learn to hate Obama too, once they learn the Reptilians fixed the election.

 

[Homeland Insurgency]

Meh. They'll learn to hate Obama too, once they learn the Reptilians fixed the election.

Meh. They'll learn to hate Obama too, once they learn the liberal media fixed the election

Meh. They'll learn to hate Obama too, once they learn the communist fixed the election.

Meh. They'll learn to hate Obama too, once they learn the socialists fixed the election.

Meh. They'll learn to hate Obama too, once they learn the terrorists sympathizers fixed the election.

Meh. They'll learn to hate Obama too, once they learn the fascists fixed the election.

Meh. There's all kinds of conspiracies huh? Just depends on who they is.

 

[TexasJack]

I saw this over at SLC, there's going to be a movie on Mark Bingham.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBiBmwwrKzs&eurl=http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

 

[johnny karate]

I agree, that for many of the rabid Bush hating MIHOPers, it will be most uncomfortable. I just don't seeit being that hard for Red...I may be wrong.

Really? You don't think I base every decision of my life on who I think is a twoofie twoofer?

This is much more than just an issue of having a life outside of 9/11 conspiracy theories.

RedIbis is quite vocal in his belief that the investigation into the events of 9/11 was shoddy and incomplete, most recently exemplified in his scathing criticism of NIST's WTC7 Report. It would seem, according to the manner in which he presents his arguments, that any reasonable and intelligent person could easily discern these inconsistencies and omissions.

Barack Obama is certainly a reasonable and intelligent person. And as President, he has access to any and all information regarding 9/11, or at least as much as RedIbis has had in order to form his opinions.

Therefore, if Barack Obama doesn't come to the same conclusions as RedIbis, and take the necessary action his position demands, it must be because he is either less intelligent than RedIbis or part of the cover-up. He is either a dupe or an accomplice. And I'm sure that idea doesn't sit too well with RedIbis.

So I'm just curious how RedIbis, or any Truther who supports Obama, will reconcile the fact that a person whom they respect and admire (and who is in a position to both have access to pertinent information and act on it), wholly rejects their beliefs regarding 9/11.

 

[JihadJane]

Nice moving goalpost...

How is my response:

Barack Obama has pledged to continue and escalate the fraudulent "War on Terror" that 911 launched.

to your comment:

We won't make any progress if you still think that 9/11 events and George W. Bush's bellicose behaviour are tied together. You can't make the difference between "cause" and "consequence".

moving the goalpost? Obama is fully signed up to the fraudulent "War on Terror" which implies he is also fully signed up to the fraudulent 911 Surprise Attack narrative. If he has any doubts he has wisely kept them to himself!

Barack Obama has pledged to continue and escalate the fraudulent "War on Terror" that 911 launched.

Source?

Barack Obama. Obama has stated that he wants to enlarge the US military and escalate the attack on Afghanistan. He willing to bomb Pakistan and continue to harass and, if deemed necessary, bomb Iran if it continues with its perfectly legal nuclear program. It is also likely that he will lead further US military "interventions" in resource-rich Africa.

 

[RedIbis]

This is much more than just an issue of having a life outside of 9/11 conspiracy theories.

RedIbis is quite vocal in his belief that the investigation into the events of 9/11 was shoddy and incomplete, most recently exemplified in his scathing criticism of NIST's WTC7 Report. It would seem, according to the manner in which he presents his arguments, that any reasonable and intelligent person could easily discern these inconsistencies and omissions.

Barack Obama is certainly a reasonable and intelligent person. And as President, he has access to any and all information regarding 9/11, or at least as much as RedIbis has had in order to form his opinions.

Therefore, if Barack Obama doesn't come to the same conclusions as RedIbis, and take the necessary action his position demands, it must be because he is either less intelligent than RedIbis or part of the cover-up. He is either a dupe or an accomplice. And I'm sure that idea doesn't sit too well with RedIbis.

So I'm just curious how RedIbis, or any Truther who supports Obama, will reconcile the fact that a person whom they respect and admire (and who is in a position to both have access to pertinent information and act on it), wholly rejects their beliefs regarding 9/11.

It's not my responsibility to respond to every piece of flawed logic that flies out of your fingertips and onto the forum. There are any number of reasons (nearly all I agree with) why Obama maintains a very conventional perspective on 9/11.

He does however go much farther than nearly any of the dubunkers on this board when he says that gov't officials should be held accountable and should have addressed the intel that was warning of such an attack.

While I do not believe the U.S. government was complicit in the attacks, I do think it should be held accountable for the unacceptable mistakes it made in the run-up to that terrible day. The blunders that occurred prior to the 2001 attacks were inexcusable and often outrageous. The series of clear warnings about the potential use of hijacked planes as weapons is just one example of why the "surprise" of 9/11 should have been anticipated. In my view, proof of government complicity is not necessary when making the argument that the U.S. should accept some responsibility for what happened on 9/11.

I happen to agree with him on this and hope that he pursues those officials who he believes should be held accountable. I've always been in favor of the Al Capone strategy.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Therefore, if Barack Obama doesn't come to the same conclusions as RedIbis, and take the necessary action his position demands, it must be because he is either less intelligent than RedIbis or part of the cover-up. He is either a dupe or an accomplice. And I'm sure that idea doesn't sit too well with RedIbis.

And if he can come to terms with that, as it seems he can and has done, it makes you wonder if his beef with members of this forum is purely emotional, rather than rational.

If he can let Obama, the future President of the most powerful nation in the world and someone who will have the power to bring the truth to light, slide... it makes you wonder what he's trying to accomplish here.

 

[dtugg]

I happen to agree with him on this and hope that he pursues those officials who he believes should be held accountable.

So you agree with him that the only role that the government had in 9/11 was one of incompetence?

I've always been in favor of the Al Capone strategy.

So you agree that Osama bin Laden, as head of al-Qaeda, the terrorist organization behind 9/11, is ultimately responsible?

 

[RedIbis]

So you agree with him that the only role that the government had in 9/11 was one of incompetence?



So you agree that Osama bin Laden, as head of al-Qaeda, the terrorist organization behind 9/11, is ultimately responsible?

As a supporter of Obama, I was glad that he acknowledged that there should be accountability, and I'm glad that his view is conventional since I wanted him to be elected.

 

[dtugg]

As a supporter of Obama, I was glad that he acknowledged that there should be accountability, and I'm glad that his view is conventional since I wanted him to be elected.

Well, in about two months he will be the most powerful man in the world. He will, above anybody else have the power to see to it that new investigations into 9/11 happen. He can hold people accountable.

What happens to your world view if this does not happen?

 

[johnny karate]

It's not my responsibility to respond to every piece of flawed logic that flies out of your fingertips and onto the forum. There are any number of reasons (nearly all I agree with) why Obama maintains a very conventional perspective on 9/11.

None of which you'll name, of course.

Once again, if 9/11 was an inside job, and Barack Obama as President of the United States is unable or unwilling to discern that, then he is either too stupid to figure it out, or he is participating in the cover up. He is either a dupe or an accomplice.

I defy you to present another alternative.

He does however go much farther than nearly any of the dubunkers on this board when he says that gov't officials should be held accountable and should have addressed the intel that was warning of such an attack.

First of all, you're quoting a supposed letter written by Obama that appeared on Infowars.net that is otherwise completely unsubstantiated. Funny how someone that demands such exactitude from his opponents will so readily accept at face value something he is pre-disposed to agree with. (Thanks to orphia nay for providing the source of the letter.)

I happen to agree with him on this and hope that he pursues those officials who he believes should be held accountable. I've always been in favor of the Al Capone strategy.

This statement begs a few questions:

How long will RedIbis give President Obama to seek accountability from General Richard Myers, a person RedIbis believes was in gross dereliction of duty during the 9/11 attacks, before resigning himself to the fact that Obama is probably just another NWO shill?

In that same letter, Obama supposedly said this, "I do not believe the U.S. government was complicit in the attacks". Is this also a position on which RedIbis agrees with Obama?

If so, then why does RedIbis persist in his disbelief in the conventional explanation for the collapse of WTC7? What other possibility could there be besides that or an inside job controlled demolition? And what reason would the government have to lie about anything other than an inside job?